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Jun 3, 2011 12:06 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Residents Mobilize Against Proposed Camp Expansion In North Sea

Editor's Note: An earlier version of this story featured erroneous information about the nature of the project. This updated version corrects the information, based on an interview with the company's CEO.
Jun 7, 2011 2:26 PM

“One is what is it going to do environmentally to Little [Fresh] Pond and Big [Fresh] Pond,” Mr. Jacobs said. “Two, what is it going to do to traffic on the road, and, three, what kind of noise is it going to generate.”

Mr. Jacobs said the plan proposes to install brand-new, state-of-the-art septic systems on site to replace the aging ones already there. That, coupled with the fact that he’s planning to have at most only 60 people living there—compared to the 124 people permitted to occupy the site if it is developed residentially—will not pose any environmental threat to the freshwater pond. He added there will be no areas developed near the pond, which is in the northwest corner of the site.

“We expect to have no impact to Little [Fresh] Pond,” he said. “Not negative, not positive—no impact.”

The issue of traffic would be resolved with minivans busing kids to the site from their homes, he said. Eventually, there will be 30 vans that will bus campers and counselors to the site, but he said they plan to start out with 12. Each departure and arrival will be staggered, so that not all minivans will come at once—only three at a time, he said. In addition, he is proposing a turning lane off Majors Path into the property.

And as for noise concerns, he said he’s already spoken to residents about that. He said he has structured the site so that the changing sheds around the pools will act as a buffer between the neighbors and the campers, in addition to the vegetation that already exists there. “If you listen out your front door, you might hear children splashing in a pool 225 feet away in the afternoon,” he said. “Is it disruptive? I don’t think so.”

There would be some clearing of property under the plan, Mr. Jacobs said, to make room for soccer fields. Clearing would amount to no more than a half acre, he said, and would not be concentrated in one spot.

Mr. Jacobs also added that the group plans to hire locally, which would help boost the local economy and community. And, in general, he said, the site, which is “fairly run down,” will be converted into something nicer.

Still, residents who attended the meeting centered their concerns on the potential pollution of the pond. Bridgehampton resident Barbara Asch said that she’s been swimming in the pond for the last 25 years. Even though it’s a long commute from her home, it’s “well worth it,” she said.

Resident Frank Lomento said the community has already had its fair share of problems. He said the Zoning Board of Appeals would essentially doom the neighborhood if it were to approve the application. “You are delivering us to the devil by moving this forward, because no one else will help us after that point,” Mr. Lomento said.

John Barona, president of the Little Fresh Pond Lake Association, said residents from his group and the nearby Big Fresh Pond Lake Association are up in arms about the proposal. “We’re going to try to double the amount of people that we had at the first meeting,” he said. “Everybody’s very upset. You have no idea.”

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Good Luck Camp Realty, LLC. . . glad the residents got together and voiced their opinions in such numbers. No surprise Wayne "I wrote the code" Bruyn had no further comment.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jun 3, 11 12:56 PM
500 people, on 17 acres?

A touch too much, ya' think?
By Mr. Z (11647), North Sea on Jun 3, 11 2:02 PM
i think it's a great plan. they're objecting against a camp facility, really? how about a 17 lot subdivision which may be an alternative plan. the camp offers the best possible use without added density and financial burden to a school district not to mention that it will remain quasi open space with a significant green belt..
By BIGjimbo12 (201), East Quogue on Jun 5, 11 10:27 PM
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If 500 people cr@p in 17 acres of woods, can you smell it? I'd rather have a 17 lot subdivision which would require a cluster treatment and preservation of exisiting trail connections (to the Nature Conservancy piece to the northwest) than this proposal. The amount of nitrogen that would be pumped into the ground from 500 people over 3 months is more than from 17 homes (most of which would be seasonal) on a yearly basis.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jun 6, 11 9:26 AM
An updated version of the story is above--the company CEO contacted us to let us know that the project actually does NOT involve any campers staying overnight, and only about 60 employees would be living on the grounds.
By Joseph Shaw, Executive Editor (206), Hampton Bays on Jun 6, 11 11:35 AM
SO, this would be just another Sandy Hollow Day Camp?
By Mr. Z (11647), North Sea on Jun 6, 11 8:15 PM
Poor planning is difficult to correct once in place. I know the tax revenue sounds good now, but the unintended consequences of over developement can far outweigh the short term gains of building and implementing a new and grandiose campground.
By kguardrail (1), Rotonda West on Jun 7, 11 7:57 PM
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How is the nitrogen content in Little Fresh these days?
By Mr. Z (11647), North Sea on Jun 7, 11 8:04 PM
60 workers. Means 60 cars. The traffic around Majors Path/North Sea-Mecox HIGHWAY is already a joke in the morning and afternoons. A joke. Snap on Tool trucks that weigh to much for the LOCAL back roads. Norsic MININ packers! Yes, Norsic... and everyone in between...

We should make a no right turn from Upper 7 Ponds to N Sea Mecox from 2-6 in the afternoon. How's this: NO LEFT from N Sea-Mecox onto North Sea road from 2-6PM.

Now add this CAMP into the mix... it's starting to ...more
By ridethetruthwave (17), southampton on Jun 7, 11 10:21 PM
If thats true that the site is approved for 17 homes, that would have less impact on the environment than the camp. Avg 4 people per house = 68 potential persons. The only way to solve the effluent problem woul dbe if the "camp" installed its own Sewage Treatment Plant. That would slove the effluent or place it in tanks and pumped it out like the ocunty parks odes, But it doesnt solve the traffic of noise. Ive been here a awhile and I never seen a bus load of campers or anyone other than people ...more
By North Sea Citizen (564), North Sea on Jun 8, 11 6:15 AM
17 more homes we don't need out here.. I vote for the camp. All you people complaining about traffic probably don't even drive anywhere anyway, while this camp is open. You're the "We don't go out between Memorial Day, and Labor Day" folks, that don't even understand what makes our economy tick around here. There will be a lot more green out there with a camp, rather than a bunch of cookie cutter homes stacked on top of each other, with "sod" for landscaping.
I'd much rather see them try ...more
By The Royal 'We' (198), Southampton on Jun 8, 11 9:41 AM
Hey, with the college gone, the nitrogen loading will work out (until they move Southampton Hospital to the college location anyway!)

As I see it, the locals don't want anything, ever, ever again and camps should be outlawed along with beaches, plastic grocery bags. traffic, grocery stores, people from Jersey, people from the upper east side, people from the WEST side (yikes!), signs with color, color in general, outdoor dining, music, dancing, family cook outs................shall I ...more
By BIGjimbo12 (201), East Quogue on Jun 13, 11 12:33 AM
It seems to me that support for the application becomes stronger in direct relationship to the distance between the writer and the site in question. Try having something of this scale plunked down on your doorstep and see if your perspective doesn't change.

But, you know, if the project as described in the application, was, as you state, just an "expansion of a legally existing buisiness", they wouldn't need to ask for variences and "any other relief necessary" from the code.

This ...more
By nagaika (6), Southampton on Jun 21, 11 2:50 AM
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