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Nov 30, 2009 9:26 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Trespassing charges dropped against East Quogue woman arrested near ANG base; wrongful arrest lawsuits filed

Nov 30, 2009 9:26 AM

Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota’s office has dropped a trespassing charge filed against an East Quogue woman in July after she was arrested for taking pictures of the Air National Guard base in Westhampton, while she had two guns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition in her car.

The decision to dismiss the misdemeanor charge filed against 53-year-old Nancy Genovese was made following an investigation conducted by the DA’s office, and comes less than one month after she filed separate lawsuits against Suffolk County and Southampton Town alleging that she was falsely arrested.

The misdemeanor charge was dropped on November 17 after an investigation found that Ms. Genovese had remained inside her car and outside the base’s property at Gabreski Airport just prior to her arrest, Robert Clifford, a spokesman for the DA, wrote in an e-mail.

The dismissal came after Ms. Genovese filed identical lawsuits on October 23—one with the Southampton Town clerk’s office, naming the town as a defendant, and one with the Suffolk County Clerk’s office, naming the county as a defendant. The lawsuits allege that Ms. Genovese was arrested and imprisoned “without probable cause or other legal justification,” that her vehicle was searched and her two guns were seized unlawfully, that she was verbally abused by Suffolk County Sheriff’s Department officers while she was detained, and a slew of other charges related to her arrest and subsequent detention.

Ms. Genovese’s lawsuits do not list the amount of money she is seeking in damages but charge that she’s owed “reasonable compensation to be determined by a jury, punitive damages, and attorneys’ fees and expenses.” The Manhattan law firm representing her in her civil case did not return calls seeking comment.

“Apparently, they can arrest you for anything they want and say, ‘Oops, sorry,’” Ms. Genovese said of her arrest and the subsequent dismissal of her charges. “They tried me, they found me guilty, and they were going to punish me in there.”

Ms. Genovese was arrested on July 30 by Suffolk County sheriff’s deputies after Air National Guard officials said they saw her taking photographs near the entrance of the base at Gabreski Airport. Authorities said they found an XM-15 assault rifle and a shotgun—both registered and unloaded—in her car, and an estimated 500 rounds of ammunition in her trunk at the time of her arrest. She said she was on the way home from a shooting range at the time of her arrest.

She was charged with third-degree criminal trespassing and was released four days later from the Suffolk County Jail in Riverside after posting $50,000 bail.

Most of Ms. Genovese’s allegations detailed in her lawsuits were directed at the Suffolk County Sheriff’s Department.

Suffolk County Attorney Christine Malafi declined this week to comment on the specific charges, citing the pending litigation. But Ms. Malafi noted that the county has requested a deposition from Ms. Genovese in response to her claim. During the deposition, which might be given in December, the county will question Ms. Genovese about the allegations and her background.

“My office looks forward to vigorously defending the county against her claims,” Ms. Malafi said. “The Sheriff’s Department did what they thought they had to do to protect public safety.”

Chief Michael Sharkey with the Suffolk County Sheriff’s Department said Tuesday that his office was aware of the lawsuit filed by Ms. Genovese but could not comment on it.

When reached last Thursday, November 19, Ms. Genovese said that Sheriff’s Department officers failed to tell her she was under arrest until about 2 a.m. on July 31, after she had been questioned without a lawyer present for about eight hours. Ms. Genovese said officers with the Sheriff’s Department only told her she was under arrest after they had found her Myspace.com profile online, which Ms. Genovese said expresses politically conservative viewpoints.

At that point, Ms. Genovese said, officers began calling her a “right-wing extremist.” She said a similar characterization by a county prosecutor, whose name she could not recall, at her arraignment contributed to a Southampton Town Justice Court’s decision to set her bail excessively high, and led her to believe she was being treated unjustly by authorities for her political beliefs.

“Even if it was a trespass [third-degree] violation, who gets a $50,000 bail?” said Ms. Genovese who described herself as a “conservative” person. “It’s absurd.”

The lawsuits also level some charges against Southampton Town Police. Ms. Genovese’s lawsuits allege that an off-duty Southampton Town Police officer originally approached Ms. Genovese while she was taking pictures while sitting in her car and outside the base, demanded that she hand over her camera, and then alerted Suffolk County sheriffs and base officials of her presence.

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What statute of which jurisdiction states that it is a crime to take photos of a National Guard base from the public highway that runs right next to it?

The ANG base is hardly a top secret location. It is accessible from many points on its periphery and old air force structures are rented out to people who access them on ANG roadways.

Justice would include Ms. Genovese being given an official apology from the ANG commander, the Suffolk Sheriff who arrested her, and, last but far ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 19, 09 12:56 PM
You just hate the cops no matter what they do. No where in your nonsensical rant do you mention the weapons and ammunition. Would you prefer the police just ignore the next person with a trunk full assault rifles and ammo? I applaud the police for a considered and appropriate reaction. If this woman wants to play GI Jane, then we have right to make sure she is not some loose cannon murderer.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 19, 09 3:32 PM
A "trunk for of assault weapons?" There is no assault weapon. There were two firearms. Thats hardly a trunkful.

The rounds were about 140, not 500. There is nothing wrong with pulling over to the side of the road, opposite the display chopper and taking pictures. The firearms have nothing to do with any of this.

There is no intent to cause harm. After 6 hours on the road, the FBI DHS the base and other initials I don't remember, released me...why did a low level police offer ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 20, 09 8:43 PM
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By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Feb 18, 11 1:06 PM
you can see ariel views and photos of the base on the internet - why an arrestable offense to take them yourself?

ex: http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile7055/Gabreski-Airport,-Westhampton-Beach,-NY.htm
By Quioguebirder (10), on Nov 19, 09 1:40 PM
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yeah, yeah, yeah a great injustice was committed. The real story is what the heck is someone driving around with "XM-15 assault rifle and a shotgun—both registered and unloaded—in her car, and an estimated 500 rounds of ammunition in her trunk" ?
What is everyone sooooo scared about that they need enough firepower to "assault" something or someone.
You know what's really scary? That someone in the car next to you might have the same or more in the trunk of their car! That's actually something ...more
By HarborDad (37), Sag Harbor on Nov 19, 09 2:07 PM
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I am with you HarborDad - She was arrested because she was armed to the teeth with deadly weapons and enough ammo to invade a small village.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 19, 09 2:11 PM
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There are laws on transporting firearms. You can not have them loaded, you must separate the ammo from the firearms, so this cant happen. If the firearm is in the trunk the ammo goes in the front of the car.

There are nuts all over the world with illegal weapons, people who go to the range, join the NRA, register their firearms when its not even required by New York state, have no prior arrests, and so on, are not the ones you need to worry about.

BTW it is an AR 15, semi ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 20, 09 8:52 PM
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By Old Mizer (1), Guess on Jan 26, 10 3:16 PM
....and what was inappropriate about that?

Ohhh..... that word I hear middle school kids use on a daily basis??

...as the kid said one day at the dinner table, "I don't get it Dad. Who chooses which finger is the bad finger to point at someone?"
By Old Mizer (1), Guess on Jan 26, 10 3:53 PM
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I thought she was coming back from or on the way to a shooting range.

By C Law (324), Water Mill on Nov 19, 09 2:22 PM
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She was returning from a shooting range and as the DA says all the guns were registered properly and legally. However the people that made these previous comments don't remember that part of the article, and they must forget about the right to bear arms granted by our constitution, I happened to be driving by the 106th when all of this was taking place and it was definitely an excessive amount of force used when they were responding to this case.
By sayitaintsojoe (100), Westhampton on Nov 20, 09 11:40 AM
Makes sence now doesn't it. I was on my way home from the shooting range in Ridge. I pulled over heading southbound and took some pics for the "support the troops " web page. People want the dirt they will ignore a simple fact like this because it does not "sell papers." Thanks.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 20, 09 5:35 PM
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Since when are long guns required to be registered ?
By PrivateerMatt (390), Weesuck Creek , EQ on Nov 20, 09 6:58 PM
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You saw that!? I had phoned my two sons to to the scene, ages 18 and 20.

They had us on the road for 5-6 hours, questioning me. The big scene they made is where the problem lies. They made a mistake and had to justify the over reaction.

There had to be 100 people running back and forth with troops, FBI, FEMA DHS and so on., all with a cell in their ear, "taking orders from way up there."

The scene was a ridiculous amount of force. Look at the default pic of me, ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 20, 09 9:20 PM
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She was sitting IN her car on PUBLIC property.

She was licensed to carry the weapon, and ammo, and yes I think she was on her way to or from a shooting range.

NO LAWS WERE BROKEN !!!

Why was she arrested? Over-zealous police action IMO.

Harbor Dad and peoplefirst, you are IMO fear-mongering based on "what ifs" which do NOT apply to this case. Just the facts, please.
By PBR (4877), Southampton on Nov 19, 09 2:59 PM
The facts are that no civilian in this country has any reason to own an XM-15 assault rifle - which is the same weapon used by the DC sniper.

The NRA has turned this country back into the wild west with way too many weapons and way too many killings. This woman was so over-armed that it would have been extremely imprudent had they done nothing, regardless of licenses which can be faked. The police did the right thing and, in the end she was acquitted. Maybe she'll have learned a lesson.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 19, 09 3:29 PM
People like you scare me more than this lady does. She legally and responsibly had her weapons and ammunition in separate areas of the car - hardly dangerous.

You would take away the freedom to bear arms given to us in the Constitution. What would you take next? The freedom of speech for not agreeing with you?
By SusieD (109), Southampton on Nov 19, 09 5:02 PM
Hardly dangerous - until you put the bullets in the gun.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Nov 19, 09 6:59 PM
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One more thing, I wonder what you would say if the police had arrested a united states citizen with a car full of weapons and ammo who just happened to be black. Or Muslim. Or a black Muslim. I don't think you'd be spouting on about 2nd amendment rights.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Nov 19, 09 7:02 PM
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Target shooting is a legitimate sport. It's even included in the Olympics. You have the right not to participate. You do not have the right to deny another person's legal and responsible participation in the sport. Extended just a little, your attitude would ban matches, gasoline, steak knives and baseball bats because of their potential to do harm.
By SusieD (109), Southampton on Nov 19, 09 7:34 PM
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Now you really scare me. Untold numbers of honorable minority men and women have fought very hard to uphold your right to say such things. Shame on you.
By SusieD (109), Southampton on Nov 19, 09 7:50 PM
Snap out of it, Susie D.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 19, 09 10:14 PM
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Try walking into a shopping mall and killing 30 people with your bare hands or even a knife. Ridiculous.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 20, 09 1:36 PM
You have a sick sense of humor if you think that's funny. By the way, the gunman at Virginia Tech killed 32 people. 32 innocent humans dead because he was able to purchase weapons. It makes me cry just to think of the wasted lives.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 20, 09 3:41 PM
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What the heck difference does it make if it was on a college campus or at a shopping mall he killed 32 innocent people with guns purchased LEGALLY! Why don' t you address that? And while you're at it, what about those poor children at columbine. Or those soldiers who survived Iraq only to be killed by one of their own who purchase his weapons LEGALLY.

I don't think you're funny, Ins. In fact, if you think that your postings are helping make the case for gun owners, you are mistaken. ...more
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 20, 09 4:41 PM
Thats right! It cost me out of pocket without the outrageous bail $53,000.00 in cold hard cash to PROVE I am innocent. What happened to "Innocent until proven guilty?" It seems we have lost touch with that right in the country. I broke NO laws. There are NO firearms charges. This was the result of an under sheriff Caracappa who wanted his name in the papers, a media hungry under qualified person put in a job position he doesn't deserve. You are right! Thank you.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 20, 09 5:39 PM
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This has actually already started to take place in our public school systems..look at the child who was suspended for jabbing another kid with a pencil ( a sharpened object that was called an assault weapon), or the boyscout who was expelled for his "spork" brought in his lunchbag (correct me if I am wrong on some of the minor details), or the latest, a 16 year old who parked his car off campus after being out hunting in the morning and was expelled for having unloaded shotguns in the back of his ...more
By Upstatecitizen (2), Adirondacks on Nov 29, 09 1:15 PM
Dear Peoplefirst: Say WHAT?!
Perhaps you need to read and pay more attention to the exploding spectrum of international and domestic terrorism news , and a little less time on 27E. The time to learn how to use a firearm isnot AFTER some demented student, ex -Army sniper, psychiatrist, or domestic terrorist has laid waste to your neighborhood. No one is asking people to go all Rambo. BUT, if one is constitutionally and mentally capable, it behooves one to develop the skill set before one needs ...more
By Jean (79), whb on Dec 5, 09 1:33 PM
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By ride the truth wave (125), southampton on Nov 19, 09 3:22 PM
I'm still confused. Am I allowed to stop on 31 and take a picture of the helicopter?
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Nov 19, 09 3:26 PM
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As long as your not armed to the teeth with weapons designed to kill people.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 19, 09 3:30 PM
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Actually there are signs along the shoulder of 31 by the ANG Base that prohibit the use of photographic equipment and they do have the right to take your camera and detain your for questioning if you do stop and and take pictures. What escalated this case was the guns and ammunition in the car. If you ride the ferry to New London and take pictures of certain locations when leaving orient or arriving in New London be prepared to have your camera taken and the memory cleared, film taken and destroyed ...more
By sayitaintsojoe (100), Westhampton on Nov 20, 09 11:51 AM
Can you say Electric Boat Nuclear submarine ?
By PrivateerMatt (390), Weesuck Creek , EQ on Nov 20, 09 7:02 PM
peoplefirst --

First, you seem to have chosen an ironic moniker (screen name), considering that your basic instinct seems to be to slaughter any expression of Free Speech here.

Do you really think that you have the rights of the "people" "first" in your heart?

Second, you have repeatedly said that certain notions are "facts" when they are actually "opinions" that the voice in your head has put forth?

Do you not recognize this? Are you aware that the voice in ...more
By PBR (4877), Southampton on Nov 19, 09 8:04 PM
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To all of you gun-toting, constitution thumpers, spare me your self-righteous hypocrisy. Someone speaking out against weapons made to kill other humans scares you but a car load of assault rifles and 500 rounds of ammunition is harmless.

If I complain about the NRA and guns I am "infringing upon your first and second amendment rights" but when you attack my opinions you are being what - patriotic? I am sick and tired of turning on the news and hearing that someone walked into a store ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 19, 09 10:13 PM
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Blatant false arrest. Ms. Genovese did nothing illegal. Trespassing? She was on a public road. If there is a statute somewhere that forbids people from viewing and photographing items in easy sight right next to a public highway, it won't stand Constitutional review.

The cops knew that the firearms were legal and they no doubt verified her local domicile from her drivers license. What on earth were they thinking.? She has a stronger right to have firearms in her trunk than she does ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 19, 09 11:37 PM
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I think "about forty-eight states short" is a little off since New Jersey, Massachusetts and California would almost certainly stand with New York.

This woman has a solid lawsuit if she wishes to pursue it.

And yes, peoplefirst, I certainly number myself as one of those "constitution {sic} thumpers" you vilify against all reason. It is that very same Constitution (and Bill of Rights) which allows you to bleat your knee-jerk drivel on this website whenever you feel like it.
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 20, 09 12:20 AM
You thump the constitution to protect your own ideals and then use it as a weapon to attack others. If there were an award for bleating knee-jerk drivel you'd win the gold.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 20, 09 8:55 AM
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"or every story about gun violence against innocents, there are twenty of guns protecting their rights." You say something in defense of civilian gun owners and then tell a story about "a female officer".

Give me a real world example of how there are twenty gun owners protecting my rights.

I could care less if someone owns a hunting rifle, but an assault weapon designed to kill people and 500 rounds of ammunition? Really.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 20, 09 9:01 AM
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Aahh, you can always count on Frank to come in and change the discussion from issues to personal attacks. This woman was carrying around an armory in her car and I thank God the police did not just look at her license and say, "Ok, you're free to go." And I think the other poster hit the nail on the head - none of you would be protecting her rights if she had an Arab name and dark skin.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Nov 20, 09 10:01 AM
Yearrounder: "This woman was carrying around an armory in her car."

A rifle and 500 rounds do not an "armory" make. That's just over-the-top silly.

I have not changed the discussion -- or anyone's mind, it seems -- a whit. For those who can actually read, there was no "personal attack," but an attack against the "drivel" which PF posts here.

If you don't understand the difference, then that's probably why you hear of someone with a semi-automatic rifle and 500 rounds ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 20, 09 4:58 PM
highhatsize,

Thank you for your intelligent comments. Yes I was cleared by all higher officials. It was the under sheriff, Caracappa who is a media hungry official with no experience who did this, who lied about my mental state because he had nothing to justify any of what he did.

I was told for 12 hours I am just being questioned,I was not under arrest, I was going home. It was not until Caracappa saw my Myspace page, in the middle of the night, with my political views that ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 20, 09 10:29 PM
Yearrounder, I was on my way home from the range. The firearms were transported legally, there are NO firearms charges. They were also registered in NY when that is not even required. The FBI, DHS and others released me. There was no intent to cause harm.

What gave under sheriff Caracappa, any right to arrest me for a bogus charge that has been dismissed? He had no right, he just wanted media coverage.
Please, think about what you are saying before your so fast to judge someone ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 20, 09 10:42 PM
Your devotion to murder weapons is disgusting.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 20, 09 10:57 PM
Most of those posting here are Bush and Cheney fans - I've read their postings. And I've read yours, Mr. Wheeler, and I do not understand how you can say with a straight face that you do not personally attack other posters. You may not think 500 rounds of ammunition and an assault weapon are a big deal, but many of us do. And many of us also feel that it is time for real gun control in this country and I still pray that day will come before the next innocent is killed.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 20, 09 11:03 PM
fcmcmann: "Your devotion to murder weapons"

You are nothing less than hysterical, and out of control. Try posting something rational for a change.

Wanna take that as a "personally attack?" Fine! You're the one making these overly emotional comments that have no basis in reason. I think you're one of the ones the Beach Blogger referred to as a "pants-wetter" yesterday.
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 21, 09 1:18 AM
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Mr. Wheeler, you talk about hysterics and personal attacks and then you act hysterically and attack by saying someone's arguments have no basis in reason and that she is a "pants-wetter"? The hypocrisy of those on the right is so extreme that you are blinded by it.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Nov 21, 09 3:42 PM
Hey, I'm for an assault weapons ban and increased waiting periods etc. as much as the next guy... BUT:

It really looks like she did NOTHING illegal, yet she spent four days in jail.

As long as the courts continue to interpret the Second Amendment as they have, she's got a lawsuit possibility.

Although I fail to see how "The right to bear arms IN AN ORGANIZED MILITIA" (which I read to mean the National Guard) gives someone the right to have an assault rifle in their car ...more
By Undertow (64), Southampton on Nov 20, 09 3:33 AM
I agree. She did nothing wrong and should not have been held. What I am saying is I congratulate the police on taking action when they first found her. And I'll say it again, if you replaced this story with a muslim or an African American, all of these blubbering, neocons would have been screaming to throw him in jail.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 20, 09 8:57 AM
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Undertow, your correct. I broke no laws. The law suits were filed the end of October. This was a great expense for me on top of abuse, bruises, torture, attorney fees and my freedom was taken away for 5 full days.

Who gets bail of $50,000.00 for trespassing 3? Think about that for a moment. If I didn't have the means to make bail, I would have been in there for the duration of the trial. This is wrong. I have seen Judge Burke let a man accused of holding up a 7-11 with a pistol, ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 20, 09 10:53 PM
There was a precedent set, she had already been warned away from the base. Something is not right about this woman, yes she was on her way back from the range but did she need that much ammo? What is her fascination with the base? They should keep an eye out for her. Why would a civilian need an assault rifle?
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Nov 20, 09 9:37 AM
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I am with you, pstevens. She could have started a war with what was in that car!
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Nov 20, 09 10:02 AM
YR: "She could have started a war with what was in that car!"

Don't you think, upon more rational reflection, it would have been a short war with only 500 rounds on hand?

You really need to calm down.
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 20, 09 5:02 PM
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Frank, I do enjoy your comments, first good laugh of the day, some of the emotional posters could use a little common sense & really do need to calm down.
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 20, 09 7:54 PM
pstevens
No one warned me at any time. I gave the FBI info when asked if I was ever there before. I don't lie. I was there to take pictures weeks prior. I didn't have my camera and was leaving the side of the road. The troop came over to me, while parked, in my convertible, looking for my camera, on the road.

What did he say... "Nice car, when can I drive it." He was flirting with me!!
There is no infatuation with the base. I was making a "support out troops web page" for that ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 20, 09 11:03 PM
Does that include your posting?
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 20, 09 11:04 PM
In NYS you can't legally own a true assault rifle because when the federal ban expired the state ban didn't.
I'm an avid shooter and support the Second Ammendment !
By PrivateerMatt (390), Weesuck Creek , EQ on Nov 20, 09 11:50 AM
PM: "In NYS you can't legally own a true assault rifle......"

"A true assault rifle" has been heavily restricted since 1934, and illegal in NYS for ever longer. And civilians have not been permitted to own a new one since 1986

People blithering about "assault rifles" and "assault weapons" have very little idea what they are talking about. Many of them are functionally no different than some of the rifles (and shotguns) which people LEGALLY hunt with on a daily basis during season.
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 20, 09 5:08 PM
OK . A true full automatic assault rifle you can't own one in NYS whereas you can in some states .
By PrivateerMatt (390), Weesuck Creek , EQ on Nov 20, 09 6:57 PM
"The facts are that no civilian in this country has any reason to own an XM-15 assault rifle"

Why should one require a reason to exercise a right set forth in the Constitution of the United States?
By Paramarine (26), Raleigh, NC on Nov 20, 09 12:01 PM
I believe you may have misunderstood --

The first statement is in quotations because I was quoting someone else's comment.

The second is my response to that statement, saying that no civilian in this country should require a reason to exercise a right that is theirs, is protected by the US Constitution, and has been repeatedly upheld by the courts. This is not my opinion, it's the law of the land. I just happen to agree.

I have no problem with your opinion that assault ...more
By Paramarine (26), Raleigh, NC on Nov 20, 09 12:32 PM
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Guess you'd better take your foot out of YOUR mouth. HAH! Love it!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 20, 09 1:35 PM
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I believe that every person in this country has the right to protest guns and not to be shot.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 20, 09 1:39 PM
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To those who cite Ms. Genovese's prior warning by the ANG to stay off their base, please remember that she denies this ever happened.

Also, the statement that one would not object to the arrest were the suspect Muslim or Black is specious. "I" certainly would.

In any case, while the incident suggests that some bored cops conjured up a terrorist fantasy to add spice to their mundane, quotidian existence, I have no principled objection to their behavior until the decision was made ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 20, 09 3:04 PM
Yes, she was innocent, but does that mean the police should just ignore people carrying around those kinds of guns and bullets? I certainly don't think so and I think this woman used extremely poor judgment and you can defend her innocence, but you cannot chastise those policemen for doing the right thing.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 20, 09 4:43 PM
There were only about 160 rounds, again a lie to try to justify their actions. Also, a day at the range that amount can be used, so its not even alot of ammo if it were 500 rounds. Why are there no firearms charges? Poor judgment about what?
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 20, 09 11:26 PM
Well, given your knowledge of the incident you were obviously there at the time of her arrest. Are you a friend of Ms Genovese? Perhaps in the car with her?
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Nov 22, 09 7:58 AM
I was there, I am Nancy. I posted my email addy if you have further questions. I will clarify, I was on the road for about 6 hours. I was questioned by FBI, DHS, Base, and many others. They brought in a weapons expert. Everything was in order, I was released. Caracappa a low level law enforcement, decided to make an illegal arrest. He knew all the facts, I was on the road. Caracappa is a media hungry mongol. This arrest should never have happened.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 24, 09 1:48 AM
Actually, mstcstar, my response was to highhatsize, sorry i did not make that clear. So I guess I will ask you, was highhatsize in the car with you or he is just gracing us with his omniscience once again?
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Nov 24, 09 6:27 PM
FYI, the Second Amendment protects a citizen's right to bear arms, the term arms historically meant anything that could be viewed as an extension of your arm. Ammunition, or ordinance was highly regulated in and around the time the Second Amendment was passed. In fact, most ammunition or ordinance was required to be stored in an armory.

More importantly, the Second Amendment was added to the Bill of Rights not because of concern for defending against foreign invasion, as the USA decided ...more
By CommonSense (71), Southampton on Nov 20, 09 4:45 PM
Thank YOU! Something rational.

And despite an earlier Commenter's assertion of her belief about the Second Amendment only pertaining to a militia, the Supreme Court decided that one last year: the Second Amendment, as with every other amendment to the Constitution, is an INDIVIDUAL right, not a collective one!

See: District of Columbia v. Heller at http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2007/2007_07_290 .
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 20, 09 5:19 PM
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The supreme court is currently made up of a majority of republican appointees. Their rulings may make it law, but it does not make it right. Did they have automatic weapons in the 18th century?
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 20, 09 11:11 PM
your right and automatic weapons are not legal for us citizens. I had a semi auto AR 15 and a shot gun, again, didn't require any registration, but they were both registered and transported properly. There are NO firearms charges, the only charge was trespassing 3 on a county road.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 20, 09 11:22 PM
Although this thread got fairly repitious, I always thought the majority of crimes were connited with ILLEGAL guns, not by guns legally registered. Why is it the states with the strongest gun restrictions have the most gun crime? Could it be because only the criminals get guns ??? Stoppong this women was good, arresting her was stupid. Just my opinion.
By ammagic (1), Huntington on Nov 20, 09 6:01 PM
I belong to the Pine Barrens range , which is located in the Gabreski airport. I wonder what would happen if I was stopped and searched while enroute to the range to do some target shooting and they found all my rifles and ammo ?
By PrivateerMatt (390), Weesuck Creek , EQ on Nov 20, 09 7:07 PM
Now that you've said that, I guess we will know the next time you try to go.
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 20, 09 8:25 PM
PrivateerMatt,

What would happen if you were pulled over, would depend on how busy the officers are that given moment.

This is a total injustice. I would not trust police on any level after this. Carry a camera, carry an audio recording device in your car, that you can turn on if pulled over. Protect yourself. Register your firearms too.

It seems even if you do not break any laws you now are "Guilty until proven innocent" in our great country.

Don't pull ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 21, 09 7:38 AM
You would be chapter Two in this story.
By sayitaintsojoe (100), Westhampton on Nov 21, 09 12:32 PM
With the right lawyer, I hope she gets well paid for her time in jail.
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 20, 09 8:27 PM
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To mystcstar:

Thanks for posting. Could you clear up few allegations(?):

Were you in jail for four days? Your post seems to suggest that you were only detained for six hours.

Were you told prior to the day of your arrest that you were prohibited from entering the ANG base or taking photographs?

Parenthetically, it appears that both the Suffolk Sheriffs and you are unaware of the latterly, salacious meaning of, "tea-bagger", that has pretty much prohibited its ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 20, 09 10:26 PM
Hi highhatsize,
Sure. I was on the road with my two adult sons (I called to the scene) for about 6 hours questioned by FBI, DHS, FEMA the base and so many others. I was released by them.

About 12 am I was cuffed, we were told I would return home later tonight, I was going in for more questioning. After Caracappa saw my myspace, he told me I was under arrest in the middle of the night.

I was arraigned Friday afternoon with bail left at 50,000.00. My sons were given the ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 20, 09 11:18 PM
You have pictures of the Pope and bishops - so what? What does that have to do with it? Do you know that the Pope and catholic bishops abhor guns? Do you realize that the teachings of Christ are in direct conflict with your desire to own weapons?

I agree you are innocent. You did nothing wrong and were let go. However, we are only hearing your side of the story and, from what I hear you saying, I think the police did exactly the right thing. I am sorry, Ms. Genovese, but you sound ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 21, 09 3:54 PM
Classic, now we're bringing religion into the conversation! Sounds to me like someone is gearing up for a lawsuit and Lady, your lawyer is going to shoot you himself if you keep posting all this stuff. Trying to defend yourself in the court of public opinion is going to insure that when your real day in court comes along, some little whippersnapper lawyer is going to make you look the fool and right or wrong, you'll have no one else to blame...but your keyboard! Count on it.
By HarborDad (37), Sag Harbor on Nov 21, 09 3:35 AM
Harborhead,

I am certainly NOT defending myself! This case is over, DISMISSED!
I am "telling my story,"

I already had my "real day in court." This case is over, dismissed, now let these officials defend their words and actions on the other side of the docket. If you went through half of what they did to me along with 53,000.00 in bills to start, you would want it back too. I have not seen anyone post any law I broke.

I am here, as you call it, a "court of ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 21, 09 6:40 AM
Great! now you can carry your guns to your Tea Parties and rant on talk radio all you want, while the rest of us live meaningful, peaceful, non-confrontational lives.

What a patriot you are!
By littleplains (305), olde england on Nov 21, 09 3:56 AM
littleplains,
If I so chose to do those things I have that right. I dont want to live your life, let me live mine the way I chose without judging me.

I was at peace driving home from the range, on that nice day with my roof down on my car, until I was stopped by police who ran out of donuts.

Again, this is America, I am self supporting. I have no one to answer to except God. I read the bills in congress, which is more then I can say for our hired reps.

Most of ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 21, 09 6:54 AM
Your last sentence is right on !
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 21, 09 9:05 AM
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And what a patriot you aren't!
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 21, 09 9:17 AM
mystcstar: you are absolutely correct in your last statement. Unfortunately here on the east end of long island the corruption is in the very departments that are suppose to assist and serve the public, the police departments. I have lost all respect for them and I served my country for over 21 years and worked closely with these agencies in performance of my job.
By sayitaintsojoe (100), Westhampton on Nov 21, 09 12:40 PM
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liitleplains, are you serious? Almost all of your blogs are intended to incite and antagonize people with whom you do not agree. To say that you lead a "non-confrontational life" is an absolute joke.

How about you left-wing buddies in ELF, PETA and Code Pink? Would you consider them "non-confrontational and peaceful?"

I did see, however a news clip of someone carrying a gun at a tea party, to which I assume you are referring. What you probably didn't realize (because almost ...more
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Nov 22, 09 4:33 AM
Do you not see that your very words are reminiscent of a type of militant extremism that is very dangerous in this day and age. I am fairly certain that you most likely started talking like this to the police which, in turn, gave them fair cause for concern. You were found innocent but now you are digging a hole for yourself.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 23, 09 9:25 AM
What the heck?! I don't care if you are the Queen of England visiting...You ask permission for going on property of this nature!!! and you get clearance like everyone else!!!
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 21, 09 6:15 AM
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By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 21, 09 6:58 AM
United states Citizen,

Please read if you want to make a sensible comment.

I don't need permission to pull over on the (opposite) side of the road.
Your joking, right
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 21, 09 6:59 AM
Mystcstar : Yes , there is a private range inside Gabreski airport on the north side. Members get a key and are allowed one guest per visit. No .50 cal . Its a nice low key range , not like Calverton.
During the Summer I contacted you via your myspace or facebook , I forget which . If you want we can go shooting there one day. Email me at buddybaer@gmail.com and we'll message each other .
By PrivateerMatt (390), Weesuck Creek , EQ on Nov 21, 09 10:41 AM
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IMO the arrest must have followed something being left out of the story. Investigation of people taking photos while over armed for a country drive seems reasonable enough.
By Spock (1), Glen Cove on Nov 21, 09 5:17 PM
Jeez, what story were YOU reading?
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 21, 09 9:03 PM
I'd like to amend a previous comment. OH MY GOD, MYSTCSTAR, you HAD a case that almost any lawyer would have drooled over, until you started posting crazy talk here. HIGHHATSIZE must be having a fit right now. Unreal.



By Undertow (64), Southampton on Nov 22, 09 6:13 AM
Lady I understand there are several diffrent sides to a story but, with the world the way it is do you really need to be sitting in front of a military base with a camera in your hands with guns and ammo in your trunk? Would you go into an airport and have a discussion about making a bomb and then trash talk the officers that arrested you? I doubt it. I lived in E. Q for years and honey the last thing you should be doing is bad mouthing the police. You might need them someday. You used poor Judgement, ...more
By beersmom (8), Stuart on Nov 22, 09 8:37 AM
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Very well said, beersmom. Many here want their rights protected, but are not willing to accept the responsibility that comes with those rights. Could not agree more.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 22, 09 10:32 AM
Buffoonery at every turn here. She shouldn't have been held for four days on a INCREDIBLY WEAK trespassing charge, and she shouldn't have been grousing in this forum when a robust lawsuit WAS a distinct possibility.
By Undertow (64), Southampton on Nov 22, 09 8:46 AM
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You and FrankWheeler are running neck to neck on comments. I've fallen by the wayside , lol !
By PrivateerMatt (390), Weesuck Creek , EQ on Nov 22, 09 3:49 PM
Very dumb to pull over and start taking pictures of a military base when you have guns in your car. I'm sure the guns were legal and I agree an injustice was done here. The fact of the matter is that in today's world you just don't do stuff like this. Take the guns home and come back and take your pictures without them in the car. There are a lot of wackos out there, how did these sheriff's know she was not one of them. Yes there are good cops and bad cops but I hardly would call these men ...more
By icecreamman (388), Southampton on Nov 22, 09 10:30 AM
Based on the comments of the base commander that he, "preferred", that photos not be taken of the ANG base, I assume that the signs prohibiting photography are without legal force. They probably date from the time that the base was an active air force base during the fifties. They should be removed so that this travesty isn't repeated. There are other superannuated signs on the periphery of the airport threatening sanctions whose authority vanished with the air base closure as well.

If ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 22, 09 1:57 PM
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To Undertow:

NOTHING said by mystcstar is detrimental to her case. She has stated the facts from her perspective with understandable outrage. If you can find any data in her posts that backs your assumption, post it.

I am sorry that Ms. Genovese had this horrible experience but hopeful that her case will go to trial and the autocratic, capricious behavior of the Suffolk County Sherrif will be publicized. Alas, this is probably a forlorn hope. When the DA sees the facts of the ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 22, 09 2:08 PM
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Your continuous expressions of hatred towards the police department give you no credibility on this issue. If you want to stop and take photos at a military base first go home and empty your car of semi-automatic assault rifles and 500 rounds of ammunition. Amazing how you refuse to admit that this woman bears some responsibility for her actions. Even I admitted that the length of incarceration was extreme, but to totally absolve her of all culpability?
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 23, 09 9:23 AM
peoplefirst:
highhatsize is right on ... the police primary function is community service ... not excessive over reaction ... true I didn't hear anything about a strip / body cavity search .. but still this was over the top ... their job is a piece of cake ... their main threat is from other cops as they jockey for position and how about the chief ...he dared to recommend to the town board that some should be retired ... the police budget is an ever expanding hole
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 23, 09 10:40 AM
I see no "hatred towards{sic} the police department" on the part of HHS, only a strong criticism of a particular action done under color of authority -- and it has been shown by Ms. Genovese's dismissal, an abuse of that authority.

Your problem, PF, is the irrationality of your arguments, based on your emotions as so many of them are.

For instance, you speak repeatedly of "semi-automatic assault rifles and 500 rounds of ammunition." The woman has stated that the number was "160," ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 23, 09 10:43 AM
Frank, You're hilarious, dude, really. I love it when you respond to my postings because you always prove my point when it comes to infantile right-wingers. And listen, "pants-wetter"? Surely you can come up with something a little less third grade than that. At any rate, I appreciate your continued interest in my point-of-view.


By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 23, 09 12:45 PM
Gee, Frank, a little sensitive?
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Nov 23, 09 12:54 PM
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Golly, again! No response to any of the substantive points I raised, only your tired old ad hominem "right-wing" accusations -- which of course has nothing to do with anything I addressed.

The "pants-wetters" was a quote, but it still applies -- you seem unable to control yourself.

Your point of view is one thing, your erroneous statement of facts are another. But as I've already pointed out, you seem to care nothing for the facts.

And I see you have your own little claque ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 23, 09 3:26 PM
Oh, I see, so if you quote someone else calling someone a pants-wetter and say it applies to me, you are not really saying it yourself, but rather referring to someone else's comments therefore you did not actually say it . . . I think I am beginning to understand your inanely twisted logic, Frank . . . Let me give it a try. The other day I heard someone refer to right-wing zealots as mindless ditto heads and I think it is clear they were referring to you. How'd I do?

To all of those ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 23, 09 4:35 PM
Again, I note that you have failed to respond to any of the substantive points previously raised, instead returning only to blather.
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 23, 09 11:33 PM
Well, it ain't helpin'.

Anyway, you make a believable case for the outcome.
By Undertow (64), Southampton on Nov 22, 09 8:27 PM
Ms. Genovese, can you at least admit to having used poor judgment?
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Nov 23, 09 12:55 PM
You first, YR.
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 23, 09 3:27 PM
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poor judgment in what capacity? I pulled over across from the chopper. My firearms were both triple locked, unloaded, registered, and I was simply on my way home from the range, Where did I use poor judgment? I made a simple, minor stop for our troops web page.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 24, 09 1:52 AM
If you cannot see or admit that sitting there and taking photos with those guns, loaded or unloaded, is indicative of poor judgment in a post 9/11 world, then you got what you deserved.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 24, 09 9:57 AM
Let's examine the stories that have appeared in The Southampton Press recently about inappropriate police behavior:

The STPD: Mobs a Town Council Meeting in uniform & insults the Supervisor. Repeats the performance a year later sans uniforms.

The Westhampton Beach PD: Two officers suspended for stealing another officers gun and planting it in his car to discredit him.

The Suffolk County Sheriffs Dept: Undersheriff arrests a woman on trespassing charges when he knows ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 23, 09 2:28 PM
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Tuesday's town board has resolution #1286 to accept the disability retirement of a sergeant .... I wonder if it's 3/4
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 23, 09 6:55 PM
Excellant post hughhatsize!!!

Well written, well said. This sad part is it is all too true, just as many other are aware of this who have not been mentioned. I am afraid our police are really out of control.

The reason I went for the trial, is very simple, if these media hungry, abusive officers are not exposed, behavior like what you mention above and my "knowingly unlawful arrest" will continue.

Imagine a group of them, on the road with us, as they were laughing ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 25, 09 3:06 AM
We live in a fascist police state where your telephone calls are recorded and analyzed, where wire tapping warrants are unnecessary, where terrorism has been used to inspire a state of near panic and justify excessive measures such as limitations on photographs of public places (like bridges and train stations) and "sensitive" areas (like military installations, power plants, etc.).

The Total Information Awareness Program was renamed the Terrorism Information Awareness Program and is now ...more
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Nov 23, 09 3:04 PM
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Interesting point Noah Way...... You know fascism intrigues me. Do you know if there is a fascist party in the Town of Southampton? If so please let me know. Also, is it the state that is fascist or the police? Just curious.
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Nov 24, 09 6:33 PM
Miss Genovese,
What happened to you sends a chill up my spine. And I say this being a SMSgt in the MN ANG. I am a fulltime technician at the base in St. Paul. I do know that there are concerns by ANG Security Forces about people observing or taking photos of the base for the wrong purposes. When I think of your story, I think that could have been any of us on our way back from the rifle range or sportsmans club. Many people are fascinated by the aircraft or armored vehicles that the military ...more
By drbroadhead (1), Wanamingo on Nov 24, 09 7:56 AM
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Every NUT here, Lets play a Game

1. Is it illegal to take pictures of the base? YES
2. Are signs Posted? YES, and multiple
3. Did the Govt. over react? NO
why? because your weapons weren't visible. After they stopped you for illegally taking photo's, they check your trunk and find what?? or are you saying the 500 rounds were not visible in the 'front of your car'
4. Police Over-react? Probably, but if they had, any ambulance chasing lawyer would do your case free and take ...more
By RUserious (1), Garden City on Nov 24, 09 2:04 PM
Except that it ISN'T illegal. Other than than, your opinion is noted.
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 24, 09 5:51 PM
Nancy Genovese,

don't listen to many of these left wing LOSERS. The liberal media has brainwashed many of the people who responded here spewing their venom. You know you didn't break any laws or use bad judgment. I'm glad you are standing up for your constitutional rights. I hope you sue everyone involved in this mess. It's nothing more that a media sham. Take it to the Supreme Court if you have to. Send the message that your rights MUST BE PRESERVED AT ALL COSTS!! I hope you win a lot ...more
By lennyben (2), Smithtown on Nov 24, 09 10:59 PM
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Thanks for your kind words, lennyben. my email is mystc4star@aol.com

I did not fight for "MY RIGHTS, I fought for (all of) "YOUR Rights!"

I will keep you posted. Will has the story, we spoke today for last minute questions for the paper edition coming out this week.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 25, 09 2:15 AM
Another Martyr
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Nov 25, 09 2:02 PM
Bayman1 --

"Another Martyr?"

You are kidding right?

Here is an American citizen obeying the law who was caught up in over-zealous police action. Are you suggesting she left the house intending to be a martyr? No way IMO!

If she is a martyr for standing up for her/our rights, you might as well start accusing the Founding Fathers of this fine country for Declaring OUR Independence from England.

Perhaps this foggy day has clouded your judgment?

Have ...more
By PBR (4877), Southampton on Nov 25, 09 6:50 PM
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I am not kidding. She was not obeying the law (as the signs state, NO picture taking) Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Nov 26, 09 7:32 AM
not a martyr... how about "instigator"? "Provocateur"? "Nudnik"?
By littleplains (305), olde england on Nov 25, 09 9:43 PM
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Ms. Genovese,

Would you stop already.. You say your a single mon of 2 kids. Do you have nothing better to do? Is this your new hobby, arguing your point of view on the southampton press blog site. Do you watch the news? Military bases being shot up, schools being shot up, restuarants, etc.... YOU DID NOT THINK!!
Are you going to sit outside a school and do the samething and then scream you have every right to sit in front of a school full of children with a camera and a trunk containing ...more
By beersmom (8), Stuart on Nov 27, 09 11:55 AM
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agree
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 27, 09 6:29 PM
beersmom,
Actually I have three children and am a very proud mother. I supposed to remain quiet until Nov 17.

Post your rude words, it’s "YOUR right" to do so, the same constitution that gave me the RIGHT to be exactly on the side of the road, across from the base, WITH MY LEGAL FIREARMS, without the threat of arrest.

You may not have thought about how rude your being in this post, does that give a media hungry sheriff the right to arrest you for your words? Not right ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 28, 09 10:31 AM
Yes, she does have a right to judge you. You have posted on these boards and, just as you respond to and judge others, they have every right to do the same.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 30, 09 7:42 PM
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you have no idea about me or my beliefs fool. I actually own several weapons. I am responible for my behavior when I am traveling with my guns. Just so you know I do carry a gun everyday. I happen to live in the south my friend. I know about guns. This is not my issue with Ms. Genovese. My issue is stupidity. Forrest said stupid is what stupid does. Enough said.
By beersmom (8), Stuart on Dec 3, 09 10:03 PM
To beersmom,

Your post is hysterical and callous.

Recall the sensational mass murder cases and imagine how different the outcome would have been had any of the victims been armed.
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 27, 09 10:00 PM
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highhasize,

Correct and there was on college attacked, left out of the news: a student went to his vehicle, grabbed his legal firearm and he is he one who prevented more murders, not our police.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 28, 09 10:34 AM
Do you happen to remember a school house full of amish children being lined up and shot?? What, children are suppossed to carry guns to school now? I thought they put metal detectors in schools to stop that kind of thing?
By beersmom (8), Stuart on Dec 3, 09 2:40 PM
Maybe we've all missed the point here.......

It's NOT about the right to bear arms

It's Not about real or imagined threats of terrorism.

It's about CELEBRITY.

Genovese was totally unknown to the public before her two arrests.
She was a "nobody"
But she's got an audience (and fans) now.
Over a hundred of us logged on to talk about her.

She's relishing every minute.

She will be back. Same place. Same guns. Same charges and arrests.

How ...more
By elliot (243), sag harbor on Nov 27, 09 10:31 PM
lol, INS, your too funny! I would not go on Letterman or Oprah even, not for anything.

Unfortunately my attorney and I have to turn down all TV, News and radio interviews, for now, anyway.

My book will be out in the Spring!!
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 28, 09 11:06 AM
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By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 28, 09 11:10 AM
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By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 28, 09 11:11 AM
This is my last reply to you because you are obviously the one with an agenda. I have one arrest on July 30, 2009, and its a fasle arrest, NOT two arrests.

I dont know who you are but I can assume someone who is "no longer a friend of mine?"

Anyway, I replied to this already, go read the answers.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 28, 09 11:11 AM
I wouldn't be surprised.

BTW, Google her name.
By elliot (243), sag harbor on Nov 28, 09 9:10 AM
In a previous posting, Genovese said,
"I did not fight for "MY RIGHTS, I fought for (all of) "YOUR Rights!"

Phoney!
By elliot (243), sag harbor on Nov 28, 09 9:17 AM
I'll just add this then I'm outta' here.

Ms. Genovese has an AGENDA!
And it AIN'T about protecting "our" rights.

Again. Google her name for an eyeful.

Best to all and drive safely,
Elliot
By elliot (243), sag harbor on Nov 28, 09 10:10 AM
... make sure you read all the lies, all the various, twisted stories made up by our media without fact checking.
I read so many lies, here is another lie...someone printed that "she bribed a soldier." I wonder what I bribed him with.
Call the court, fact check. This is where deformation of character comes in.
I have a great background so Caracappa had to "make up lies" to get his name in the paper. I won’t support our SHPD, I have never seen a worse bunch of unprofessional officers ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 28, 09 10:56 AM
Truly amazing posts.

First, the hoplophobes try to finesse reality to make Ms. Genovese culpable even though she is and was completely innocent.

Then, when this won't fly, they claim that she is a media whore.

Her posts on this site are replies to the specious and preternaturally stupid personal attacks by irrational hysterics. If you don't want her to post further, stop posting rubbish yourselves.
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 28, 09 12:29 PM
I agree.
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 28, 09 2:14 PM
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By elliot (243), sag harbor on Nov 28, 09 1:24 PM
LOL, I guess Caracappa owes me about 360 rounds considering he changed my property ticket!
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 28, 09 3:34 PM
Sounds like about right to me, it has been done before.
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Nov 28, 09 4:20 PM
Ms. Genovese,

My sincerest congratulations on your release and vindication. You did NOTHING wrong, and I hope you own them when it's all over.
By BobbyH (44), Southampton/NYC on Nov 28, 09 6:16 PM
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Some of the inane comments I see posted about an innocent woman being arrested for taking pictures from a public right of way are compounded by the typical cosmopolitan attitude some of you have about guns and gun ownership.

Then you chastise this woman for trying to tell her story?

Telling her that tthe pope is against weapons when even even Christ in his own words believed in self defense (Luke 22:36 Jesus speaking to his disciples)
American Standard Version
"And he ...more
By Upstatecitizen (2), Adirondacks on Nov 29, 09 10:10 AM
wow, .22 will work on a .223 AR 15? You jut made my day!

God bless you and all others wo have supported me and see how I was wrongfully arrested.

Nancy
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 29, 09 10:52 PM
So I guess I'm the only only one who thinks that Ms. Genovese is dangerous.

Wait until you see what she does next!
I guarantee that you read about her again.
By elliot (243), sag harbor on Nov 29, 09 2:40 PM
For certain... there's lawsuits pending, and those WILL be news.

I did as you urged, Elliot, and Googled the woman's name. One of the items that came up had her being arrested "for trespassing outside the ANG base." Hello? Does anything ever think about anything for a moment before writing something like that???

Your hysterical -- as in irrational rather than "funny" -- comments, Elliot, are those of a "pants wetter," or as HHS observed above, a hoplophobe.

By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 30, 09 10:25 AM
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Once again, Frank resorts to puerile name calling. Hey, Frank, at least come up with a new line and stop trying to attribute your insults to another poster.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 30, 09 11:32 AM
I see that my cyber-stalker is back, still without a clue.

That's all right, girl. Just go look up "hoplophobe" and then get back to us.
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Nov 30, 09 11:51 AM
What's the matter, Frank, don't like having your hypocrisy exposed? Too bad. Oh, and here's a word for you to look up - Gnosiophobia
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 30, 09 12:54 PM
Just read her archived myspace postings which can be easily googled. She fits the profile of a right-wing zealot that I am darn glad the police had the foresight to arrest. If Bill Ayers had said some of the things that Ms. Genovese has you'd all be calling for his head.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 30, 09 1:08 PM
no our not alone, nuts should be caged. They just happened to let this one out.
By beersmom (8), Stuart on Dec 3, 09 10:10 PM
Reading all the posts above. It has become quite clear that the central issue here is the citizens right to bear arms. She bore and kept those arms within the confines of the law. There is no doubt that her rights where violated when there is a clear understanding of the law. These are the laws that were put into effect by the people we as U.S. citizens chose to vote into office. Whatever her intentions may have been on that day, one thing is indisputable, She did nothing illegal. Our so ...more
By The Patriot (7), Hampton Bays on Nov 30, 09 11:05 AM
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Do not confuse patriotism with neocon ideology.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 30, 09 12:48 PM
Thank you and hugs! You also nailed it right down- facts.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 30, 09 9:11 PM
Hello, Patriot, (ah... a REAL American)

Good post!

I guess the police TOTALLY overreacted when they found a shotgun and an XM-15 Assault Rifle and ammo in her car. You can forgive them, though, for being kind of hinkey after 9/11.

Your cure for political and social asphyxiation is to get a bunch of guns?

Oh... Mr. Wheeler, to respond (without name calling) You're correct.
I am a Hoplophobe. This silent majority of Glen Beck zealots has given me an irrational ...more
By elliot (243), sag harbor on Nov 30, 09 11:15 AM
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I thought you "am outta here/"

Btw, I could careless about Beck, I had one of his videos emailed to me, during the winter.

I added that one video to my myspace blog, Caracappa jumped the gun so to speak.

I have been shooting targets all my life. I have a right to take this on as a sport, my dad started me at age 5. MY sport, has no political concerns, its just a sport, so give it up Elliot!

I BROKE NO LAWS!
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 30, 09 12:58 PM
No, you broke no laws, but your words (specifically some of the extreme anti-government points of view you've expressed on myspace) made you suspect. You can't espouse extreme anti-government sentiments and then go take photos of a military base with a truck full of ammo and weapons. You DO bear some of the responsibility for your arrest REGARDLESS of whether or not you broke any laws. Are you not someone who called for a boycott of all media outlets EXCEPT Fox, because FOX is the only unbiased ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 30, 09 1:16 PM
Those posts are way back in the winter, that boycott post is a re-post sent to me. I agreed., I Re posted it in my blog, so "peoplefirst," you want to also have my free speech taken away, simply because YOU don't agree.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 30, 09 8:41 PM
Actually I offered to make a 10,000.00 donation, now, of my own money, to the base, because Carlark and Caracappa made tthe troops so upset with their lies.

My attorney told me not to. I plan to donate to our troops for sure, absolutely, I just don't know where yet, I would think injured, those whom have served and have trouble finding work. I will work that out. I am looking into a professional graphics designer for that site to set the site up well. I know many returning vets are suffering ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 30, 09 9:08 PM
Ms. Genovese, you do not understand the first amendment. Your right to free speech protects you from prosecution from the government, not me or anyone else. I have read your posts here and on your facebook page and my opinion is that you have an irrational fear of government which, combined with what appears to be an irrational love of guns, makes you suspect. For me, this is not about your RIGHT to own guns, but whether or not you are someone who can be trusted not to do something stupid with ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Dec 1, 09 12:30 PM
I have a large barbie doll and beanie baby collection also.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Dec 1, 09 8:12 PM
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Shocking....why does this not surprise me????
By beersmom (8), Stuart on Dec 3, 09 10:13 PM
Regardless of Nancy Genoveses' political or non political views, She broke no laws and I applaud her on her activist role, and not being silent, like so many of us. The U.S. Constitution protects just this type of person, and us, from people in government. Government employees, who step their bounds, should be held accountable for the balance of justice to prevail Government fear mongering against lawful U.S. citizens should not be tolerated. If you don't like the laws we have, then change them ...more
By Johnny Nova (83), Northampton on Nov 30, 09 4:15 PM
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The constitution and the police also protect those of us who feel that people like Ms. Genovese may pose a threat. As has been said - had she been a muslim citizen who had made the same kind of paranoid accusations about the government as she has, many of the same people defending her would have been calling for punishment.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 30, 09 4:22 PM
Race? Where in my post do I mention race? I said "Muslim", which is a religion, not a race. Nevertheless, I stand by my assertion that had it been a Muslim (white, black or yellow) you and your neocon cohorts would be calling for that persons head and you would not be talking about their constitutional rights.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 30, 09 7:39 PM
Ms. Genovese,
So since all you want to do is make sure everyones rights are not violated and you want to support our troops.Can we assume that when you finish with your multiple lawsuits against anyone you can file against and win (since you are innocent) that you will be taking out your legal expenses and out of pocket monies and donating the remaining money to the troops? After all by making the town, sheriff and anyone else pay for their wrong doing you would have proved your point.
highhatsize--it ...more
By Andrew (11), Calverton on Nov 30, 09 4:24 PM
see above post, answered, thank you.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 30, 09 9:17 PM
To finish, thankfully we have law enforcement officers out there who are alert enough to check of things that may affect the security of our communities and nation. This seems to have gone too far but the area was posted and they were doing their job. Even if the signs we old they were still there and enforceable. There are sill "Bluelaws" on the books that are still enforceable. If you don't like them do something to remove them from the books don't cry when someone call you on them.
By Andrew (11), Calverton on Nov 30, 09 4:28 PM
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I think you will never finish. You just dont "get it." But, But, this IS America and you have that right of free speech, and the right to not get it though not specifically worded that way in out bill of rights and our Constitution.

When is the last time you read the constitution?
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Nov 30, 09 9:19 PM
The answer to that is probably never -- or if they did read the Constitution, they did so selectively.

The rest of the time they spend cowering anonymously behind their modems wringing their hands about "neocons," the NRA and anything else that fails their Liberal test.
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Dec 2, 09 10:08 AM
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INS has stated:
"The NRA is more powerful than you and all your pinko buddies will ever be."

Hence, the justification of our worries.
By elliot (243), sag harbor on Nov 30, 09 6:34 PM
Exactly.
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By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Dec 1, 09 7:07 AM
Besides having an unusual hobby for "just a mom" of 3 children that involves carryiing firearms and large amounts of ammo in her car, does anyone else find her online ramblings a bit unsettling? Besides making alot of slanderous statements about the police and public officials, she just sounds crazy. I'm embarrassed that I wasted my time reading some of her comments. She is feeding off of the attention. What she really needs is a psychiatric evaluation. And to be fined for wasting our tax dollars ...more
By lol@hb (20), hampton bays on Dec 1, 09 10:00 AM
I pay taxes to, of course, some of it goes to our police to protect us not abuse us.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Dec 1, 09 8:17 PM
SC Sheriffs... are very experienced at serving evictions and transporting prisoners.... but that's about it. Ask the SCPD.

Ms. Genovese, you have a strong case perhaps. Save it for the courtroom and stop posting here, I'm begging you - for your own good.

And if you think FOX News, or ANY mainstream media news outlet is unbiased, let alone "fair and balanced", I want what you're smoking. Lots of it.

You posts aren't doing you ANY good. Stop. Repeat - stop.
By Undertow (64), Southampton on Dec 1, 09 10:45 AM
I agree and I am done here. This is my interview with Will, along with the printed pages a week later. We didn't accept the TV and radio show for a reason.

However I have to wonder; the SC sheriffs drove to and FROM SH court at over 110 MPH, to get me out of court by 1230. They told my sons to be there at court at 1 PM July 31.

How safe does that make any of you feel on sunrise highway?
Btw we were in a work zone partially, also.
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Dec 1, 09 8:24 PM
It seems base security is the issue here - as there were no gun charges. If security is the issue - then why is the entire bases southern border wide open?
I jog at a Refuge that borders the base several times a week. All there is on the south side of the base is a 5 foot fence with many gaps. In fact, there is one gap the hunters from the base use to get on Refuge property - with their guns & bows by the by. They also have a small racetrack where they race base vehicles & personal vehicles ...more
By G (324), Southampton on Dec 1, 09 10:56 AM
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Dear Nancy,

I think that it is time to pull the plug on this thread. It has gone on for so long that new posters are entering who are have not followed the discussion. They are repeating the groundless opinions that have already been addressed and are using the forum to libel you.

The circumstances of your arrest and imprisonment are so outrageous that your civil court victory is a foregone conclusion, only the AMOUNT of the award is in question.

Let that assuage your ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Dec 1, 09 12:26 PM
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Then stop freaking posting, Highhatsize.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Dec 1, 09 12:31 PM
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By the way, from my point of view it is you and "Nancy" who are the ignorant ideologues. Your irrational fear of government and police combined with your slavish devotion to the the second amendment and your complete denial of any personal responsibility associated with those rights puts you on the extreme, right-wing fringe of the type of dangerous political ideology associated with tea-baggers, birthers, Timothy McVeigh, and Glenn Beck.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Dec 1, 09 12:35 PM
Highhatsize,

I agree with you and others. I shall not return to this page, I am done, my words have been said, there is nothing more for me to add , I refuse to defend myself against such stupidity of others whom have not even read our Bill of rights and constitution!

I have said my peace.

All of you who have supported me, I thank you for that and your well wishes. However, its time to say goodbye.

Have a great holiday season everyone!

Nancy ...more
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Dec 1, 09 8:38 PM
Nancy Genovese: "I have said my peace."

Or "piece," as the case may be.


By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Dec 2, 09 10:04 AM
Ah, INS, your rhetorical brilliance really shines through.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Dec 2, 09 12:52 PM
Everybody get up and cheer.....she's gone!!

Nancy Genovese getting arrested -$1,000.00
Price of Handcuffs- $100.00
Nancy Genovese leaving bitching site- PRICELESS
By beersmom (8), Stuart on Dec 3, 09 10:18 PM
Nancy, my advise to you would be the same as bigheadsize, but I would encourage you to stop posting for different reasons. Your posts only serve to confirm what some have believed from the beginning and that is that you were not held because you had guns and ammo, but because your ideology combined with guns and ammo were perceived as a dangerous combination.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Dec 1, 09 12:41 PM
she did not break any laws. the feds questioned her at length and let her go. the Suffolk county sheriff arrested her on a trespass charge and she spent time in jail? Sounds like a lawsuit to me. The Suffolk county DA should investigate and if the Sherriff acted improperly he should be fired. Guess where the money to settle the suit is coming from?

Also, last time I checked you cannot arrest someone because their political views differ from your own.
By fishy (90), East Hampton on Dec 1, 09 4:20 PM
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Correct, and without proper resources, I would have been in there for the duration of the trail, that's no where near fair to any American who is "Innocent until proven guilty".
By mystcstar (51), Quogue on Dec 1, 09 8:32 PM
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Nancy, Just how many times are you going to post that this is your last post? I would be willing to bet that your mouth had a lot to do with the happenings on the side of the road that day. You should learn to shut it and keep it closed.
By Andrew (11), Calverton on Dec 1, 09 11:24 PM
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are those bruises on your arms and wrists (per the pic I saw at the beginning of this article? if so when did they happe n?
By xtiego (653), bridgehampton on Dec 2, 09 8:52 PM
I think a lot people are getting a little far out there on this issue, and there are a few like the highhatsize people and Frank that are keeping this more grounded.

Maybe Ms. Genovese is a nut job, maybe she's a "teabagger," maybe she owns too many guns, is anti-government, or thinks Glenn Beck is the second coming of Jesus. But all that is irrelevant. You can't arrest someone on "suspicion," only on PROBABLE CAUSE that a CRIME has happened, is underway, or about to happen. In this case, ...more
By BobbyH (44), Southampton/NYC on Dec 3, 09 1:28 AM
She's innocent of the charges but guilty of begin completely clueless and irresponsible.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Dec 3, 09 12:09 PM
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By Old Mizer (1), Guess on Jan 26, 10 3:41 PM
Ms. Genovese,
I am not going to get into a argument with you regarding your situation. Your the one who got on this site and decided to air your side of the argument. When you make your case a public case then anyone including me can have an opinion. It is my right. I am not judging you I am stating the facts you used poor judgement. I do not worry about your children. I worry about my own. What I do worry about is nuts like you driving around with guns in their trunks. If it walks like a nut ...more
By beersmom (8), Stuart on Dec 3, 09 2:49 PM
Lest we forget the Japanese (prior to WWII) who were afraid to invade the continental United States because of their fear of armed homeowners. There are 2 types of people in this world; Gun Owners and; VICTIMS
By Hobie44610 (2), Montauk on Dec 30, 09 3:41 PM
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By ke4yqd, Omaha on Feb 18, 11 1:21 PM
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By ke4yqd, Omaha on Feb 18, 11 1:21 PM
You guys gotta be out of your damn minds. seriously.
the rights of others to bear arms, speak openly, criticize law enforcement and government, and live a life that promotes liberty and happiness Are things that need to be respected and celebrated. If folks dont like those rights, then they need to GTF out on the hastiness.

Some people enjoy their rights a little bit more and in different variations than others... an AR series rifle and a shotgun is pretty conservative to be honest... ...more
By 180sxRPS13 (1), Owasso on Jun 21, 10 10:32 PM
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Your guns interfere with my right nit to be killed. Folks worry about foreign terrorists when the real threat comes from lunatic gun owners right here in the U.S. You piss off

By the way folks, these gun lovers do not live in this community. They do not read the stories. They are NRA crazies who troll the Internet looking for blogs so that they can spread there lunatic ideology.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Feb 20, 11 7:28 PM
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By ke4yqd, Omaha on Feb 18, 11 1:17 PM
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By ke4yqd, Omaha on Feb 18, 11 1:22 PM
I cannot believe some of the extreme stupidity and ignorance of some of the posters on this thread. Some of you must really not understand the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It's also obvious that you have no clue at all about firearms or their uses. 2 rifles being legally transported in the trunk of a car is NOT a trunk full of assault weapons. Also if she had 500rds of ammunition, which she didn't, that is nothing. When i go to the range I will take over 1000rds with me and usually 6 to 8 ...more
By Don S (1), Joshua Tree on Feb 20, 11 7:01 PM
You are ignoring the facts. The extreme stupidity is yours.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Feb 20, 11 7:22 PM
Ms Genovese had been warned not to take photos there but chose to ignore those warnings. She us an unstable person with guns and she was detained to protect us. I thank the police,
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Feb 20, 11 7:30 PM
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