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Aug 8, 2013 2:14 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

East End School Test Scores Drop, Reflecting Statewide Trend

Aug 15, 2013 3:23 PM

Student scores on the South Fork tanked this year on state tests that for the first time measured proficiency in Common Core learning standards.

After predicting a decline, the State Education Department confirmed one on Wednesday when it released the results for English language arts and math assessments taken by third- to eighth-graders this spring.

Statewide, only about 31 percent of students met or exceeded the new ELA or math proficiency standards—meaning about 69 percent did not. On Long Island, the situation was only a little better: On average, about 60 percent of student scores did not meet proficiency levels.

At first blush, there are bright spots on the South Fork, although here too percentages of passing students dropped dramatically, in certain cases as much as 50 percent.

In the Quogue School District, which only goes to sixth grade, most students met the new proficiency standards across all grades and subjects, with a high of 85.7 percent passing the fourth grade ELA test, compared to 100 percent last year, when students took an easier test.

The best showing in Amagansett, which also stops after sixth grade, was a 71-percent passing rate on the third grade ELA test, compared to 83 percent last year. Westhampton Beach actually had a high of 75.6 percent meeting the new proficiency standards on the third grade math test, as opposed to a 73.5 percent who passed last year.

Among larger school districts, the highest passing rate in Hampton Bays was 37.6 percent in eighth grade English, down from 64.7 percent last year. Sag Harbor’s highest was 65.4 percent in fourth grade English, as opposed to 80.8 percent last year. In East Hampton, the highest passing rate was 47.1 percent, on the fourth grade math test, as opposed to 78.8 percent last year. In Southampton, the highest rate was 51.3 in eighth grade English, down from 65.3 percent.

“These proficiency scores do not reflect a drop in performance but rather a raising of standards to reflect college and career readiness in the 21st century,” State Education Commissioner John B. King Jr. said in a press release issued on Wednesday. “Our students face very real challenges. But it’s better to have our students challenged now—when teachers and parents are there to help—than frustrated later when they start college or try to find a job and discover they are unprepared.”

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Don't buy the bunk that is the Common Core National Assessment system.

Please recognize that many of the Common Core Standards in the earlier grades are not in keeping with what is known about early childhood development. The Common Core standards were developed “backwards” from the high school standards for Grade 12.

Realize that the Common Core expectations for reading are not aligned with conclusive and current literacy research. Forcing struggling readers to ...more
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Aug 8, 13 4:45 PM
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By Obbservant (443), southampton on Aug 9, 13 12:23 AM
You live in the past and that all you are going to get. Passed.
Aug 9, 13 6:16 AM appended by KevinLuss
and for the record, you have made more misstatements than i would ever be interested in correcting.
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Aug 9, 13 6:16 AM
The recent past of the last 10 years is what destroyed Tuckahoe and you were in the thick of the outrages that happened including the ramrodding of the Tuckahoe sellout to the Southampton School and the deprivation of a vote to choose of Tuckahoe taxpayers who wanted a superior education at Westhampton Beach.

Of course you are also deeply involved in the merger talks with Southampton that reneged on the Board promise to Tuckahoe taxpayers that their children who are now in Westhampton ...more
By Obbservant (443), southampton on Aug 9, 13 6:56 AM
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You don't know what you don't know. This includes the fact that I am on record as having immediately contacted the board and school administration to voice my negative opinion when I was surprised to read in the paper about the assurances. If you think taxes being reduced from over 7$ per $1000 to $2.60 per $1000 while trying to improve educational opportunities is ''selling out the taxpayers'' we couldn't possibly have a reasonable discussion. You may want to throttle back on the caffeine there.
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Aug 9, 13 8:05 AM
There you are again with a promise that your Board collective, deceptive move to hand over all the Tuckahoe education tax money to Southampton was based on the "fact" that Tuckahoe taxes would be drastically reduced from $7 per K to $2.60 per K. The trouble is you and the Board have no financial credibility judging from the horrible job you've done with Tuckahoe.

This is based on an idiotic, simpleton notion that Southampton taxpayers would in effect subsidize Tuckahoe taxpayers whose school ...more
By Obbservant (443), southampton on Aug 10, 13 10:43 AM
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I love you too.
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Aug 10, 13 11:48 AM
Observant, you've got it exactly right! Thank you.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Aug 10, 13 12:38 PM
Let's not forget that, as of next year, Dan Crough will have 2 children at SHHS, so of course he would vote against other kids. And this little click of SH graduates and cheerleaders put together to "study" the issue can provide not one bit of factual data to back up their assertions. They make all sorts of claims regarding tax dollars, but where are the numbers? Where is the proof? For how long do these reductions last? Notice, not one single word about how this will benefit children academically.

They ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Aug 10, 13 12:42 PM
If you go to the Tuckahoe Common School District website. Under the heading that says "Quick Links" you will see a link for "TCSD / SHUFSD Reorganization Study" .

You will see a link to a report called "What If Financials". On page 11 of that you will see the new tax rates if the school districts were to merge. A $1,000,000 home in Tuckahoe is currently paying $7,500 in taxes. The new annual property tax rate would be $2600. In Southampton a $1,000,000 home is currently costing about ...more
Aug 11, 13 6:21 AM appended by KevinLuss
and just to clarify, I have no ability to engage the Jedi mind warp, no powers of levitation or hypnosis. Like you evidently wish you were, I am an involved taxpayer. Never been on the board or in school administration and make no excuses for my involvement in my children's education. This will be the end of our party as I deal in facts not hysterics with a cowardly ex-board member, her husband and pals who loiter endlessly on this site to hack away to those with whom they disagree. If you have half of a back bone, I challenge you to engage me in a real, live, in person discussion about these important issues. My office is on main street, you walk by it all the time.
By KevinLuss (356), Detroit, Michigan on Aug 11, 13 6:21 AM
"This will be the end of our party as I deal in facts not hysterics with a cowardly ex-board member, her husband and pals who loiter endlessly on this site to hack away to those with whom they disagree. If you have half of a back bone, I challenge you to engage me in a real, live, in person discussion about these important issues. My office is on main street, you walk by it all the time."

The cuckoo sings his song - a bully and cyberbully - in a veiled threat against someone who disagrees ...more
By Obbservant (443), southampton on Aug 11, 13 10:29 AM
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You are correct, Observant, this is the typical bullying in which the board and its supporters constantly engage. You are also correct that what Mr. Luss presents as "facts" have NOT been studied by any third party that has no horse in the game. They are assumptions. Nothing more.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Aug 12, 13 9:38 AM
You should check the data about WHBHS being academically superior to SHS. The SAT scores, ACT scores and AP scores are quite similar and, in some instances, SHS's are better. What do you base your assertion upon?
By nancyloo (11), Southampton on Aug 20, 13 5:50 PM
Nancy Loo, the rule is "He or she who asserts must prove". Please do so, especially when all the tests many have seen invariably show Westhampton much, much better, including the tests that are the subject of this very article which you can click on. Overwhelmingly, Southampton is included in the bottom half (as is of course our great "local control" Tuckahoe which is even worse) while Westhampton is in the upper half.

To make it simple, just use SAT, showing specifically the years you ...more
By Obbservant (443), southampton on Aug 24, 13 7:33 AM
Bottom line is. Common Core Testing - enrichment- whatever. Our kids need to compete in a global environment and they are way behind their peers when comparing education and the money spent on it.
By realistic (462), westhampton on Aug 8, 13 6:59 PM
You really should take some time every week to parouse the news around the nation. Get a corkboard, and throw a dart at a map if you have trouble picking a place at random.

If you look around, read, and read people's reactions to issues you just may notice how "dumbed down" this country has become. Far to many of the things I have read in the last year just scream ignorance, and outright lack of critical thought and problem solving.

Personally, I'd have to wonder it this country ...more
Aug 8, 13 7:27 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, just for a little salt, we rank dead last in student acheivement in advanced physics. Not that developing new, and cutting edge technology requires a fundamental understanding of how things work, 'cause who needs that kind of advancement? It's much more fun to have the rest of the world burn you to the ground in the sustainable energy market...
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Aug 8, 13 7:27 PM
It was an eye opener to read the recent test scores for our children. Although I do not believe test scores tell the whole story, it does appear that our children are ill equipped to compete in the global environment. Because the children "appear" to do well in our local schools they must be given the skills needed to compete in today's society. Testing is one way to create a benchmark to see how they measure up to the challenges they will face when they leave our local schools.
By crusader (390), East Quogue on Aug 9, 13 10:40 AM
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These tests scores measure nothing but corporate test-maker profits. There is a great article in the Washington Post about how companies profit from perceived failures. The right wing and their corporate partners use these tests a means to destroy public education.

Stop teaching kids to the test and RETURN to teaching critical thinking
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Aug 9, 13 11:25 AM
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How did our local non-public schools (Ross, OLH, Raynor, McGann Mercy junior high...) do on the state tests?
By fishcove (36), southampton on Aug 9, 13 12:05 PM
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Do you see a problem when a school has over 90 percent at graduation, and less than 40 percent passing a state test. Yes its the right pushing education. Lol
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Aug 9, 13 12:46 PM
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Chief, the tests are like your comments - pointless and without merit. There is no correlation between these test scores and education. If you'd do a little research, you'd realize that to be true.
By SidViscuous (26), on Aug 9, 13 1:46 PM
the new common core tests have a lot to do with text book contracts and also pushing towards an agenda aimed at expanding the school year. The same parents/ taxpayers that complain about teacher's salaries and accountability, have helped to support a political agenda aimed at smearing teachers by turning public schools into testing centers. ironically many of this same group of angry taxpayers also want to make huge cuts to education spending and teacher salaries, while at the same time trying to ...more
By louse pt. (143), springs on Aug 9, 13 8:26 PM
Just like a teacher to take no responsibility for poor test results. Sure teachers are respected in other countries they work year round and they have no tenure and could be fired for poor performance. Are you really blaming taxpayers for this? When it costs 25 k a year per student I don't think you can blame a taxpayer. The bottom line is there is no accountability and tenure needs to go. The whole system is built on an incestuous hiring program of hiring friends and family of faculty, and constantly ...more
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Aug 10, 13 8:55 AM
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By SidViscuous (26), on Aug 10, 13 12:37 PM
Oh no Sidney has no solution so he is going to attack me. Do you really think that the Tea Party is responsible for poor education in this country? Considering liberals and teachers unions took over education 30 years ago with their progressive liberal agenda. As far as me being in the Tea Party that is just stupid since I'm not exactly sure what the tea party is.
I have seen samples of the test, and I find it hard to believe any question is something a student shouldn't know. I'm not in ...more
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Aug 11, 13 12:24 AM
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Actually, "right wing" zealots are responsible for dismantling public education across the nation.

North Carolina is a shining example. They are also responsible for attempting to introduce religion into public schools in states like Kentucky. Due to their religious zealotism, it's a logical strategy to attempt to eliminate public schools if the crybabies can't get their way...
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Aug 11, 13 6:53 AM
As usual you make a comment that isn't telated to the conversation. What does North Carolina test scores have to do with the conversation we're having? The state of New York is a left state and the Education Department is run by liberals. See if you can search Google all day and find a cut and paste to disprove what I just said. Lol
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Aug 11, 13 2:00 PM
No wonder you get the responses you do.

"Considering liberals and teachers unions took over education 30 years ago with their progressive liberal agenda."

They're right. You're really not that bright...
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Aug 11, 13 4:05 PM
Again what does North Carolina schools have to do with poor test scores on the east end of Long Island?
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Aug 12, 13 8:49 AM
Absolutely nothing considering the comment was directed at your boorish comment about "liberals".

Were you not so obtuse regarding your own material, the process of critical thought would have garnered that. Had you simply done more than your time when you had the chance, things may be different. As it stands, things are not...
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Aug 12, 13 9:03 AM
At least the for the superintendents and a lot of the administrators the school serves as a unnecessary self-serving compensation scheme.
By bayarea (46), hampton bays on Aug 19, 13 10:25 AM
teacher accountability is fine, but how about parent accountability? How many kids go home to a home with two stable parents? How many kids go home to a house where school work is emphasized? Teachers can not make up for shortcomings at the home. the bottom line is that we are all in this together. I have no issues with raising the bar for educators, and yes like in other professions, there are some lousy teachers out there who work the system. In response to sports spending, school is not only ...more
By louse pt. (143), springs on Aug 10, 13 9:28 AM
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Your absolutely right about kids needing sports and the arts to become well rounded. The problem is that to become well rounded you need to know the basics, and sports, and the arts and everything else is secondary. You're also correct about dysfunctional families and parents that don't care. The bottom line is the answer if certain kids just can't be educated maybe we should think about letting them stay home and putting their 25,000 in a trust fund. I'm sure you're a great teacher and an asset ...more
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Aug 10, 13 10:07 AM
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Chief1) I would like you to know that not all teachers are "Liberals". Many enter the profession because they are passionate about working with kids, and not because they are union zealots. That being said, higher standards are fine, but raising the bar on the state tests immediately, without giving schools adequate time to prepare the students as a whole, is a not constructive. The Common Core testing should be phased in over time. Having 75% of kids fail a test, is not the answer. the state also ...more
By louse pt. (143), springs on Aug 11, 13 7:47 AM
" Having 75% of kids fail a test, is not the answer. the state also requires these failing students to receive academic support services, which will cost districts and tax payers more money. Schools should be able to come up with their own assessments. Pushing kids to raise the bar, without the interference of big brother (NY State)."

Those who have followed the deteriorating American elementary education for the last two to three decades have seen a horrifying picture compared to other ...more
By Obbservant (443), southampton on Aug 22, 13 12:35 PM
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Students are Quantifiably held accountable for their performance.
Shouldn’t there be some Quantifiable Accountability for the people working in the education system or should it all be 100% Subjective?

This new Evaluation system is a good step towards the combination of an Objective (quantifiable) and Subjective (classroom evaluation) evaluation. Whether the Evaluation ratio of Objective to Subjective is a 20% to 80% ratio; or 40% to 60% ratio, is open to debate. The current ...more
By A_Concerned_Parent (37), manorville on Aug 23, 13 7:12 PM