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Mar 21, 2017 1:33 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Zeldin Supports Principles Of GOP Health Care Plan

The Urgent Health Care Center in East Hampton. KYRIL BROMLEY
Mar 22, 2017 10:49 AM

As his Republican colleagues in Congress pore over and tinker with the legislation they are pushing as an alternative to the existing Affordable Care Act, U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin said this week that he supports the core principles of the GOP legislation thus far and thinks it won’t have some of the impacts on seniors and the less affluent, at least locally, that many have said it will.

The reception to the latest attempt at health care guidelines has been tepid at best. Government analysts have said the Republican alternative to the ACA will mean as many as 24 million fewer people will have health insurance nationwide within a decade.

But the bill maintains some of the most popular provisions of Obamacare, like allowing children to remain on their parents’ family health plans until age 26, and not allowing insurance companies to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions. It also would reduce the federal deficit by $337 billion through 2026, according to a Congressional Budget Office report.

The bill does allow companies to charge up to 30-percent higher premiums for one year to those individuals who did not previously have health insurance, an approach intended to dampen the losses for insurance companies when some people seek insurance only after finding out they are sick and cannot be denied coverage.

Critics have panned the direction the legislation is heading in as a tax cut for corporations and the wealthy, and an approach that will mean higher costs for senior citizens. Radio ads began running last week that stamped the legislation as including an “age tax” on an aging population.

Mr. Zeldin said that, at its heart, the Republican bill seeks primarily to eliminate government mandates that Americans must have health insurance.

He said the plan aims to protect insurance coverage for those who desperately need it, incentivize more young people to buy it and bring down costs for everyone involved. But he has said in interviews and in mailings to constituents that the bill is expected to lower premiums over time.

The Congressional Budget Office has said that in the long run the bill would keep premiums about 10-percent lower than they would be if the ACA were left in place, but has not said that premiums will actually decline.

The end of the mandates, Mr. Zeldin fully acknowledged on Friday, is the main reason the CBO and other analysts have said that the number of insured people nationwide will drop by 14 million people or more nationwide in the first year that the Obamacare requirements are lifted. The CBO estimates that the number could rise to 24 million by 2026—mostly due to individuals opting to not carry health insurance.

“That’s one of the realities—if they aren’t forced to, some people will chose to not buy health coverage,” the congressman said. “But those are important principles, which I agree with—I don’t support the ACA individual mandate and employers mandate.”

Mr. Zeldin said that while the GOP plans would roll back the federal subsidies that helped states expand their Medicaid programs, those who have received Medicaid under Obamacare would not suddenly see their benefits yanked away. The current legislation, he said on Friday, would continue the federal contribution to Medicaid through 2019, and anyone who is enrolled before then would continue to receive a subsidy even after the federal plan halts new support.

Numerous nonpartisan groups that have reviewed the plan have said that some Medicaid recipients—about five million nationwide, according to an estimate by the Kaiser Family Foundation—would lose coverage immediately simply because states would not be able to maintain the programs that had allowed them to qualify for Medicaid for the first time under the ACA.

For seniors, the congressman said, the GOP plan would not be an “age tax,” as the most dramatic criticisms have said. He touted the age-graded tax credits the bill offers, which go up with age, and said that, in New York at least, the pairing of state law and the federal tax credits would be a boon for seniors. But premiums for older citizens have been forecast to go up steeply under the new plan, because it reduces limits on how much insurance companies can raise rates for their older, more illness prone, customers.

Mr. Zeldin also defended the bill against those painting it as a tax cut for the wealthy, saying the GOP approach simply removes all the mandates and tax penalties in the ACA—which includes mandates and penalties on corporations and very wealthy individuals. He noted that the proposal leaves the so-called “Cadillac tax,” an additional tariff scheduled to go into effect in 2020 on the most robust and expensive health care plans. The Republican bill delays implementation to 2025.

But health care analysts also note that the GOP plan delays some taxes on high-priced health plans and relies heavily on increasing the amount of before-tax deductions an individual can take for putting income into dedicated medical care funds—to as much as $13,000, levels that most say would only be fully exploited by the wealthy.

Mr. Zeldin has been highlighting in interviews, and in an email to constituents last week in support of the health care legislation, that the CBO has forecast that premiums under the Republicans’ approach would decline by 10 percent by 2026.

“As far as costs go, the CBO scoring has premiums reducing between now and 2026 by an average of 10 percent,” Mr. Zeldin told The Press in a phone interview on Friday morning. “That’s pretty outstanding.”

But the CBO report itself seems to say only that premiums would be 10 percent less than projections of premiums if the current law remained in place over that time period.

Mr. Zeldin noted that his party’s proposal on health care is still evolving, almost daily, and will likely go through a number of tweaks before coming to a vote in the House, and even more before the Senate could approve its own version. As the current legislation is merely a budget-based reconciliation bill, the long-term vision of improving health care coverage would still have future legislation on tap.

“This is one step of a three-step process,” Mr. Zeldin said. “The second step will include administrative actions at the executive level, and third would be new legislation. I’m hoping that as these steps are completed, we are moving to a better reality that has more affordable choices with higher quality coverage.”

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Zeldin is full of nonsense? Who knew...

This added Medicaid provision that affects only New York but not NYC is a hilarious attempt to garner support from the non-crazy GOPers around here. Alas, were stuck with the craziest of them all.
By Brandon Quinn (177), Hampton Bays on Mar 21, 17 1:56 PM
TRUMP TO RINOS IN GOP PASS HEALTH BILL OR RISK LOSING SEATS

NO MORE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE! OPEN UP COMPETITION ACROSS STATE LINES AND MAGA PRESIDENT TRUMP!

A full repeal and don't let anyone tell you it cannot be done. The Senate Rule calling for 60 votes to end a Filibuster was a rule made about 20 years ago and it is a rule that can be repealed and a vote of 51 is all that is needed.

The Democrats have used the nuclear option on Republicans many times but it seems Republicans ...more
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 21, 17 2:14 PM
If they cause millions to lose their health care, they'll lose their seats anyway.

How does the GOP manage to burn down budget surpluses, not pay for wars, and yet still get attain seats?
Mar 21, 17 9:40 PM appended by Mr. Z
Perhaps we can add extortion to the list of Trump's qualities?
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 21, 17 9:40 PM
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Easy Z, they don't go after guns.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 21, 17 11:05 PM
Ever the pawn is Lee Zeldin. Bend the knee for your master.
By johnj (960), Westhampton on Mar 21, 17 2:28 PM
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Right. Mr. Zeldin took an oath to uphold the Constitution not do Mr. Trump's bidding.
Recall the Constitution's Preamble which says something about "insuring domestic tranquility." This latest health insurance proposal only insures domestic anxiety. Therefore, on a pass/fail vote, the proposal must fail with the help of Lee's "no" vote.
Simple.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Mar 22, 17 6:36 PM
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Obama looked the public in the eye was recently as last fall and said ACA policies could be purchased for $75 a month. Anyone out there got one?

"And most people today can find a plan for less than $75 a month at the HealthCare.gov marketplace when you include the tax credits that government is giving you."

Obama at Miami Dade College October 20

translation: if you are a deadbeat and too lazy to work don't worry the government will give you a health plan and let the poor ...more
By fire11 (276), east hampton on Mar 21, 17 2:31 PM
@johnj yea? my 95 year old mother in law is is surely a dead beat and she is too lazy to work! And a 50 year old relative with medical issues and a part time job will see her premiums go up by 30% by 2026. And a 21 year old with congenital big time medical problems may have no coverage at all. She is invalid and cant walk, and hse has been turned down for dozens of jobs she has applied for.

Why dont you just order a firing squad to get rid of all these lazy people?

Or, if you ...more
By MSJ_studio (2), East Hampton on Mar 22, 17 12:29 PM
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Economists have concluded that the high deductibles used in obamacare made people avoid seeking recommended care. In other words, obamacare made you sicker AND poorer. Libs don't want to give that up.
By even flow (808), East Hampton on Mar 21, 17 4:01 PM
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Please add that this was the plan the Repubs approved. It's on them.
By East End 2 (139), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 11:22 AM
Exclusive — Rand Paul: ‘Easily 35 No Votes’ Against Paul Ryan’s Obamacare 2.0, ‘I Am Predicting They Will Pull Bill And Start Over’

Senator Rand Paul has been a solid support system for those of us who don't want This garbage bill to ever see the light of day. I'm especially grateful that he warned Presidnet Trump about The SNAKE misleading him!

Thank You, Senator Paul and Thank You, Freedom Caucus

You're all helping to MAGA!

UPDATE: ...more
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 21, 17 7:32 PM
We do not want another garbage snake in the grass Nancy Pelosi plan that we have to pass to find out what's in it !!!

Let's not pass another POS ineffective plan in a hurry that's sure to be just more re distribution of wealth and a tax on hard working Americans.

Senator Paul knows the health system. LISTEN to him!
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Mar 21, 17 7:40 PM
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On Tuesday, President Trump made NASA great again ... Authorizing almost $20 billion in funding for the space agency for this year. The bill includes money to develop human exploration of Mars as one of NASA's objectives.officially putting an end to obamas sabotage of the agency when he turned NASA into a Muslim outreach think tank and phony global warming research center. WTF!

MAGA
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 21, 17 7:58 PM
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Man you're gullible.

Republicans in Congress slashed the NASA budget. The Obama administration requested 1.24 billion for fiscal year 2016. Congress passed a version which was less than a billion. We had to rely on Russia to get into orbit because of it.

Do you really believe every ounce of BS you're fed? And, global warming IS actual and factual. If you bothered to deal in SCIENCE and ICE CORES perhaps you'd grasp the fact that CO2 has not exceed 300 ppm in the last million ...more
Mar 21, 17 9:37 PM appended by Mr. Z
P.S. You may as well have elected Zaphod Beeblebrox.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 21, 17 9:37 PM
Obama killed the space program. October 11, 2016 Daniel Greenfield

He killed the space shuttle. He killed its replacement vehicle. He killed a proposed lunar trip disgusting Neil Armstrong. He turned NASA into a global warming slash Muslim self-esteem shop.

In July 2010, NASA chief Charles Bolden, an Obama appointee, told Al Jazeera that his boss had given him three priorities… none of them involving space exploration. The foremost priority for the agency once tasked with ...more
Mar 22, 17 9:04 AM appended by joe hampton
Obama turned the Russians into a billion dollar Uber for U.S. astronauts to get into space when he turned NASA into a Muslim outreach agency.you remember Russia the people CNN have been saying we should put severe sanctions on for obstruction and not lapping up the thought of a President Hillary Rotten Clinton
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 22, 17 9:04 AM
TRUMP / FORWARD
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 22, 17 9:11 AM
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Joe you have it all wrong,

My professor in collage taught us about how the Muslims went to the Moon and invented Rocketry.

Remember Abdulla Von Bramuzal?
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Mar 22, 17 9:19 AM
Actually we're it not for Muslims, science would have been born a lot later on this planet.

Got some news for you joe, we need all.the brightest minds we can get. And, the majority of them ain't Ameeican. The only real resource the moon holds is He3 which we don't possess the industrial means to collect an return it to Earth. The goal has been Mars for some time

The Shuttle isn't moon material, but the Space Launch System that replaces it is. Once again, you think you know ...more
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 22, 17 2:45 PM
If not for the radical Muslim of the week and he's latest terrorist attack four more people would be waking up tomorrow morning in London to there families..

I know all about He3 my friend and we can agree the moon is a treasure chest of clean energy. I have said for years we should build the reactors on the moon where they can do no harm then beam microwave energy back to earth. It can be done. but your right. Your the only one here who knows those sciency things
Mar 22, 17 6:03 PM appended by joe hampton
If there’s anything more important than Mr Zs ego around here, I want it caught and shot now.
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 22, 17 6:03 PM
Well, if you know so much why are you b******g about the Space Shuttle? Heck, four of them have already been retired. One would think a staunch defender of how great private enterprise is versus how awful government is would be happy about SpaceX taking over low earth orbit missions. The same companies the GOP cut funding for, by the way.

Your backtracking is simply entertaining. Nice try.
Mar 22, 17 7:47 PM appended by Mr. Z
Also, just for reference, were it not for the GOP cuts to funding we'd already be using Dragon and Falcon. But, instead of this year we may now have to wait as long as until 2020.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 22, 17 7:47 PM
"Actually --> we're <-- it not for Muslims...."

HAHAHAHA.... Mr. Z bleeds.
Mar 23, 17 8:33 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
BTW: NASA's funding was always in the discretionary category. Anyone who has ever been to the Air and Space Museum will see the clear shift from manned space vehicles to exploration to Mars and deep space, So yeah, the cuts in 2004 actually made sense for a host of reasons. This from CNN:NASA budget meets trouble in Congress....By Brian Berger Wednesday, April 28, 2004 "The Republican and Democratic leaders of the House appropriations panel that holds the U.S. space agency's purse strings warned NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe during an April 21 budget hearing that they are unwilling to sign off on NASA's new exploration-driven agenda without more details and debate".
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 23, 17 8:33 AM
what did they do 500 years ago? i think we all missed that.
By SlimeAlive (1139), Southampton on Mar 23, 17 8:51 AM
Or it's just autocorrect.

If you're looking for mature conduct on "the right", you may as well be looking for a brown dwarf with a plain old telescope...
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 23, 17 7:43 PM
While most definitely void of mature conduct, yes, it is much more fun pointing out the autocorrect deficiencies of others rather than those of yourself, isn't it; proven by "the left" repeatedly, especially when people fail to communicate in "an mature manor".
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 11:25 AM
Switzerland - What's in a handshake? Well worth reading.

Sometimes it's the little things that are most telling. At first glance this may seem like a trivial story but what lies hidden beneath it could have serious consequences for our children and grandchildren.

In Switzerland it has long been customary for students to shake the hands of their teachers at the beginning and end of the school day. It's a sign of solidarity and mutual respect between teacher and pupil, one that ...more
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Mar 25, 17 8:40 AM
Uh, not cool to mock the mistakes of others when you incorrectly use "manor" instead of "manner".
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 25, 17 10:23 AM
Missing an apostrophe is a far cry from a total lack of grammar and getting a red "ww" on your post.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 27, 17 8:47 PM
Hoo-eee! The crazies are out tonight! Keep at it, boys, and we'll be back to the middle ages -- let 'em die in the gutters, right?
By Turkey Bridge (1927), Quiogue on Mar 21, 17 8:22 PM
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Especially the children!

... or so the story would like to go. If it weren't for the simple problem of Obamacare being unsustainable it would make for a nice story for some.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 23, 17 11:32 AM
Zeldin has become a sad disappointment. He's done in this district.
By harbor (390), East Hampton on Mar 21, 17 8:58 PM
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Lee Zeldin
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 21, 17 9:12 PM
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So, no requirement to get insurance, but insurance companies will cover people with pre-existing conditions if they pay 30% more for a year. Which do you think goes bankrupt first -- The hospital required to treat whoever walks into the emergency room regardless of ability to pay, the insurance company that has to cover anyone with an existing medical condition, or the poor oldster with no insurance and chronic medical condition? It's a trick question, the answer is: all of the above.
By dfree (693), hampton bays on Mar 21, 17 9:36 PM
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Call Geico from the scene of an accident. Tel them you want to save on your auto insurance. See how that works out.

The "oldster" is on Medicare. If he's poor he is on Medicaid.

The hospital has been treating the uninsured since the day it first opened its doors.

The insurance company isn't going broke regardless of the results of your high level analysis

Thanks for playing the hyperbolic nonsense game. You won


By even flow (808), East Hampton on Mar 22, 17 6:53 AM
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Hospitals have been posting profits since the ACA was enacted. This new law will crush the local hospitals. Replace "oldster" with "people in New York State aged 27 to 64 who make under $80,000/year". I do agree that insurance companies will either laugh at folks trying to sign up for coverage after getting a chronic illness. Then the tort lawyers will start class action suits.
By dfree (693), hampton bays on Mar 22, 17 7:24 AM
Tort reform, competition across state lines and stop the legacy costs and lobbyist's then put on your big boy pants and get two jobs like your parents did till you have enough in a health savings account
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 22, 17 8:57 AM
Yes, if you are disabled person, a older citizen, or a child all you need to do is run out and get three jobs. For all its faults the ACA insured millions of hard working citizens, prevented our hospitals from going broke, and saved tens of thousands of households from going bankrupt because of medical emergencies. Health savings accounts? Working poor people do not have savings. So they will not be able to save up for that heart attack they are plannimng on having next year.
By Neely (16), Westhampton Beach on Mar 22, 17 10:20 AM
Regarding the mandate to have insurance, recognition should be given to the fact that we all experience a hidden mandate, to wit: (1) NYS hospital bad debt and charity care is recognized by a "Bad Debt and Charity Care Pool," meaning that hospitals make claims to a separate pool of money to make them whole after rendering uncompensated care. (2) Premiums in part are higher because excessive bad debt is recognized by a function called "cost shifting," meaning that if health care entities cant get ...more
By number19 (108), Westhampton on Mar 22, 17 11:41 AM
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Very true..glad to see someone on here understands what is going on........
By sandydog21 (194), Southampton on Mar 22, 17 12:15 PM
They have stopped disclosing ethnicity and religion of terrorists and rapists in Germany. It was amazing to watch this unfold and see how they tried to cover up that it was a refugee, This garbage is now happening on a daily basis somewhere in the world and needs to stop. ISIS is now openly suggested mowing people down with a vehicle and stabbing with large knives!! These terrorists can get vehicles at will and do this everywhere. They have their marching orders and we need to vet these people. ...more
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 22, 17 6:18 PM
Those crazy Baptists again no doubt...
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Mar 22, 17 6:21 PM
"It was amazing to watch this unfold and see how they tried to cover up that it was a refugee..." -- What are you referring to as unfolding in Germany? Are you talking about the attack in London yesterday? It wasn't a refugee, it was a native-born Brit.

Stop the fear-mongering when it comes to refugees, who already go through an intense vetting process in the U.S., as well as immigrants in general. In the U.S., crime rates are lower among immigrants than non-immigrants, despite them having ...more
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 23, 17 8:46 AM
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So, did Zeldin dictate this article to you? or did they write it and let you add your name?
By LI Consumer (5), Suffolk on Mar 22, 17 8:30 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 22, 17 9:15 PM
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The GOP's AHCA is absolute garbage. As of a week ago only 24% of American voters supported it. It benefits the wealthy, and perhaps young people, while harming our most vulnerable citizens - the poor, elderly, addicted, and mentally ill. Not good for women either.

Zeldin, stop defending this nonsense.



By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 22, 17 9:15 PM
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No AHCA vote today. How's that Art of the Deal going, CONald? Looks like the GOP sure could use a good community organizer.....
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 23, 17 3:48 PM
The biggest news story since Watergate is breaking and this is the lead story?

Freedom Watch Notifies Congress of “Deep State” Intelligence Whistle-Blower

Freedom Watch notifies congress of a “Deep State” intelligence community whistle blower, Dennis Montgomery, with hundreds of millions of documents showing CIA and FBI and Intelligence Committees where spying on, and conducting surveillance on, American citizens for political purposes.

The dam ...more
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 23, 17 7:43 AM
The Democrat Party lapdogs of the MSM are in full spin mode on this eye opener to be followed by the lunatic leftists here.
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 23, 17 8:12 AM
to They call me:

Quote:

"Freedom Watch Notifies Congress of 'Deep State' Intelligence Whistle-Blower"
__________________________________

["sigh"]

An unsubstantiated assertion by Larry Klayman, the oft-disciplined, serial litigator who founded the Right-Wing propaganda organ, "Freedom Watch", on which it appears. He's filed scores (hundreds[?]) of frivolous lawsuits against everyone on earth (including his mother), almost all of which have been dismissed or ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 23, 17 8:42 AM
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James Rosen of Fox News reports that Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee will be presented with “smoking gun” evidence that “the Obama administration, in its closing days, was using the cover of legitimate surveillance on foreign targets to spy on President-elect Trump.”
According to the source for Rosen’s report, this evidence will come from the National Security Agency, which is supposed to produce documents for the House Intelligence Committee by ...more
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 24, 17 7:24 AM
to SlimeAlive:

Quote:

"what did they do 500 years ago? i think we all missed that." [i.e. "The Muslims", referring to their "positive achievements for society."]
-------------------------------------------------

Well, YOU certainly did (unsurprisingly.) Here's a reference for you to consult that will at least begin to nibble away at one corner of your monumental, bigoted ignorance:

"Overcoming Historical Amnesia: Muslim Contributions to Civilization" by ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 23, 17 9:44 AM
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so mr. hat heres one you cant argue with,

we do not want to live like most muslim country's do.... just because.

we do not like there way of life

or there customs

or the way they treat women.

how is that for honesty
By Erin 27 E (1180), hampton bays on Mar 23, 17 3:50 PM
Erin - You are generalizing 1.6 billion people - almost a quarter of the world's population. That's ridiculous. Not all Muslims are the same. Just like not all Christians are the same.

Compare your local Southampton Christian with one living in Tuvalu, the Philippines, Guatemala, Oman, or the Democratic Republic of Congo. Think of the fundamentalists. Think of the Amish, Mormons, Christmas-only Christians, etc. Would you talk about all of these people as if they have a single "way of life?" ...more
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 23, 17 4:26 PM
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Why are you doing so for muslims?

i already told you why, i do not want to live among them.

i have nothing against them in general but they are just to different in there beliefs. they are very inflexible.they do not seem to want to assimilate into my country instead they come here to change it.

why do you force me to change the way I feel. I do not want to harm them. I just do not want to live in a country that looks like what parts of france, england and germany are ...more
By Erin 27 E (1180), hampton bays on Mar 23, 17 5:47 PM
"Why are you doing so for muslims? .. i already told you why, i do not want to live among them." -- I was asking you why you're acting like all 1.6 billion of them have the same way of life and beliefs. You didn't tell me why you believe this.

I'm not trying to force you to change the way you feel, I'm just questioning some of your assumptions because they're not logical to me.

Also, why do you think Muslim immigrants "come here to change [this country]"? Any examples? I'm genuinely ...more
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 23, 17 8:00 PM
Also, why do you think Muslim immigrants "come here to change [this country]"? Any examples? I'm genuinely ...more curious as to why you think this.

EXAMPLES... GO TO YOU TUBE THEN ENTER

Bill Maher Crushes Islam! A Must Watch!

Rioting Muslims attack Christian protesters in UK screaming "get out of OUR country"

Muslim migrants feel up German women after invading public pool

MUSLIMS ATTACK CHRISTIANS IN AMERICA OVER SHARIA LAW

Muslims taking ...more
Mar 23, 17 9:20 PM appended by 27dan
"Just because people don't agree on things doesn't mean they shouldn't have a conversation. It's even more of a reason to do so as long as they're willing to listen to each other" (So after you view each of these.... AND ONLY AFTER YOU DO please try to respond directly to what we are saying and this post.)
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 23, 17 9:20 PM
Oh God, fear of and prejudice against the other rears its ugly head. One hundred years ago it was the dreaded Catholic. Arsonists burned down their churches, lynch mobs killed Italian Catholics, state laws allowed warrantless searches of convents in search of supposedly trapped women and purported secret caches of weapons. In Missouri, an anti-Catholic weekly paper ran headlines screaming about the RC plot to take over America. And right here in Water Mill my ancestors had crosses burned ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 23, 17 9:30 PM
It is a problem as I personally know Muslim family's here in Southampton that are nothing like this... and we should be careful to protect those family's as neighbors and friends.

The problem is there are to many Muslim men mostly from certain countries that I could name but choose not to... that are supporting this kind of behavior subjugating woman here in the West and are steadfastly trying to change the countries them immigrate too
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 23, 17 9:33 PM
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J Bug Said "You won't like to hear this, like all of humanity, your roots are African. "

From your comments it would be easy to see how some could draw an assumption that you wont be happy till everyone is homogenized to a tint of brown?

I happen to prefer Blonde's myself. I am personally just attracted to slim Nordic woman. It is just my preferance and It would be a shame to see them breeded out to please the Politically correct. But that does seem to feel like that is be where ...more
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Mar 23, 17 9:45 PM
Let the record show that highhatsize couldn't name 1 thing either.
By SlimeAlive (1139), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 6:12 AM
Let me start by saying I have one primary point in most of my posts that so far no one has responded to directly. My point is that it’s utterly ridiculous to talk about a group of 1.6 billion people as if they all have the same beliefs, customs, way of life, etc. It’s completely illogical and the blanket discrimination that results from this way of thinking is nothing but unfair.

To be clear, I’m not defending ALL Muslims, and I certainly abhor any type of Islamic extremism ...more
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 12:58 PM
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To compare the US to any of the countries you cite is to laugh. Do you realize each is only the size of a single American state? France slightly smaller than Texas, England than Louisiana, and Germany the size of California? There are already Muslims in America, many in the armed forces fighting for you and me.
The world has had mass migrations since the beginning of time. And who was more brutally murderous than the white man against the Native Americans? And what makes your skin color ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 24, 17 1:22 PM
Do you believe that white males are a unique scourge among the people of the world?
By NateNewtown (80), east on Apr 3, 17 11:15 AM
You're wasting your time Erin
By Sturgis (539), Southampton on Mar 23, 17 5:37 PM
Why? I may disagree with people but I'm genuinely interested to hear other people's thoughts on things, and always try to respond directly to what people say in their posts.

Just because people don't agree on things doesn't mean they shouldn't have a conversation. It's even more of a reason to do so as long as they're willing to listen to each other.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 23, 17 8:08 PM
Do androids dream of electric sheep?
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 23, 17 8:25 PM
President Trump!



By bigfresh (2557), north sea on Mar 20, 17 7:07 AM
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By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 23, 17 9:01 PM
Is the irony of that response lost on anyone?
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 24, 17 10:33 PM
More than a little fun watching the GOP House leadership and the bill's managers jump through hoops trying to get some version, any version, of TrumpCare passed. The Supreme Maximum President has decreed that he wants a deal, any deal, by tomorrow or he'll pick up his marbles and "move on," as he puts it.

So these Republicans in the House are going through historic contortions to bring this dog in before DJT loses interest and picks up another toy.

It serves them right, it serves ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1927), Quiogue on Mar 23, 17 9:31 PM
It really does not matter since in this current form the bill is just Cryin Ryans Obama Care Lite anyway and this will never pass the Senate in Its current progressive form... So please stop being a Turkey
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 23, 17 9:51 PM
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Glad you guys are starting to have some fun again. Don't get used to it.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 24, 17 2:47 PM
More than a little fun watching the GOP House leadership and the bill's managers jump through hoops trying to get some version, any version, of TrumpCare passed. The Supreme Maximum President has decreed that he wants a deal, any deal, by tomorrow or he'll pick up his marbles and "move on," as he puts it.

So these Republicans in the House are going through historic contortions to bring this dog in before DJT loses interest and picks up another toy.

It serves them right, it serves ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1927), Quiogue on Mar 23, 17 9:31 PM
Not many young people who can afford $450/month health insurance, not many older 50+ people who can afford $1000/month health insurance. Maybe we can buy insurance directly from one of the 2 hospitals on the East End? Or at least let us buy the health insurance that is offered to the local police, teachers, government workers at their cost. Which we pay for through our taxes.
By dfree (693), hampton bays on Mar 24, 17 6:07 AM
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There isn't a person here who can name a single positive contribution by muslims to civilization at any time during man has inhabited the planet.
Mar 24, 17 6:14 AM appended by SlimeAlive
So far the best we've got are references to Christianity and the title of a book. If anyone can list one positive thing that Muslims have contributed to mankind it'll be a miracle....because there aren't any. And don't waste my time with ''astronomy'' and ''math''
By SlimeAlive (1139), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 6:14 AM
Giving an ultimatum doesn't suddenly make the AHCA a good deal. Please everyone, continue asking Zeldin to vote No on this. Even if you're strongly opposed to the ACA, urge the GOP to come up with something better than this!
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 7:53 AM
to SlimeAlive:

Quote:

"There isn't a person here who can name a single positive contribution by muslims to civilization at any time during man has inhabited the planet."
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Behold the true believer. When presented with the FACTS* that flatly (and repeatedly) refute one of his bigoted articles of faith, he ignores them and continues to spout the vile cant that defines his character.

His zealotry renders him unreachable by ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 24, 17 8:12 AM
You coincidentally mention Jesus just as I was about to remind the foolishly fearful/Muslim hating denizens of this list that He himself was a lovely shade of brown. A swarthy, bearded, Aramaic-speaking, Galilean Semite with a broad face, large nose, and short curly hair. Short, too. Someone no doubt totally repulsive to Lady Erin who wouldn't "like his ways". Does she ever wonder what the Native Americans thought about our (brutally murderous) "ways"?
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 24, 17 1:04 PM
Some quotes from people that are , " little and brown".

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Allah Quran 8:12

Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.
Muhammad ibn ishaq 992

Love your neighbor and pray for those who persecute you.
Jesus. Matthew 5:44

That's why I don't eat friggin lobster or anything like that. Because ...more
Mar 24, 17 2:09 PM appended by Sturgis
Again problems with my IPad my apologies. The last sentence should read Native Americans waged war long before Europeans showed up...
By Sturgis (539), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 2:09 PM
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By Biba (518), East Hampton on Mar 24, 17 3:11 PM
More slimy logic above.

Perhaps the contribution from the area near the Euphrates and other rivers in The Middle East is . . .

CIVILIZATION ITSELF?

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle !!!
By Nero (275), Sag Harbor on Mar 24, 17 8:25 AM
The inventions and discoveries attributed to the Muslim world were actually stolen from conquered people.
The first hospital was founded in Baghdad during the Abbasid caliphate, by a Nestorian Christian.
A medical school was founded at Gundeshapur in Persia by Assyrian Christians.
Algebra initiated in ancient Babylon, Egypt and Athens, 2500 years before Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Musa was born.
By Sturgis (539), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 12:10 PM
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According to the news, a few minutes ago they pulled the health care bill at Trump's request.

Trump first gives an ultimatum that the vote on this "great plan" MUST happen today and then he walks it back, pulling the bill after realizing his threat wasn't working and the bill would never pass. How pathetic.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 3:49 PM
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Oh dear. This isn't going very well, is it?
By johnj (960), Westhampton on Mar 24, 17 3:51 PM
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Oh well
I guess I'm not allowed to tell the truth about the prophet Muslims follow...
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Mar 24, 17 4:09 PM
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By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 24, 17 4:22 PM
TrumpCare DOA.
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Here's a shovel.

Start digging . . .

Gonna miss the daily sideshow.

:(
By PBR (4900), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 4:38 PM
I want to thank the Freedom Caucus & the Conservative Wing of the GOP for standing their ground for the American citizen.
We don't need a bill that places a bandaid on the disastrous mandate known as Obamacare, we need a full repeal & a better option for Americans to participate in. Ryan is done as speaker ! He never should have been speaker. He's nothing but a puppet for whoever keeps financing his elections.Now it's time to vote out Ryan as Speaker Ryan is preparing his own noose and doesn't ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Mar 24, 17 6:45 PM
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As of last night only 13 of the anticipated "no" votes were being attributed to the Freedom Caucus members. There were also a lot of moderates who would not vote for this disaster of a plan, and we should be thanking them too.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 8:07 PM
Sure you are PBR.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 24, 17 4:56 PM
What a joke. 60 times they try to repeal this POS knowing they couldnt and now that they actually can they choke. Koch brothers enter. Money talks and politicians walk. They should have had the vote with a roll call of names so we would know who to blame when the ACA blows up!
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 24, 17 5:37 PM
Bullies usually get their comeuppance sooner or later, in this case sooner.

Everyone needs to realize that it is President Trump's leadership which failed here.

F...A...I...L...E...D !!!

Bullies lead by intimidation, and thankfully courageous people have stood up to him.
By PBR (4900), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 5:50 PM
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Trump made Ryan underestimate him...and then lead him over the cliff. NO ENERGY WASTED !! Ryan needs to resign, relinquish his Speakership !! ImmediatelyI can't believe how RELIEVED I am that this has been set aside.

I look forward to what is going to happen now that Paul Rino and his Establishment pals go down in flames with a horrible piece of legislation that was doomed to fail.

Proud of the conservatives in the House for stalling this. A big shout out to all of you for standing ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Mar 24, 17 6:41 PM
So who is your nomination for Speaker?
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 24, 17 10:23 PM
Louie Gohmert, Laura Ingraham, Mark Meadows
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 24, 17 11:13 PM
Now for his next trick,Donald will convince the Mexicans to pay for the wall...
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 5:59 PM
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CRASH AND BURN LYIN RYAN !!
Your disrespect and disloyalty to President Trump and the American people has been duly rewarded !!
Relinquish the Speakership, you are an untrusted and ineffectual leader !!

Now let's get down to some taxcuts and the wall.
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 24, 17 6:48 PM
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Leftist gloaters out in full force. Couldn't wait for their opportunity to vent their frustration. Pretty F...U...N...N...Y!!!
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 24, 17 6:16 PM
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Well, apparently one hand washes the other.

Then again, maybe turnabout is fair play. But not for too long...
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 24, 17 10:25 PM
I'm the greatest dealmaker in the world!! We're going to have really great health care. Gee, this stuff is really complicated. You know whats funny, that you believed the child-liar-in- chief. What a disgusting loser!!! Full control of congress, and couldn't close. Seven years on the runway, crash and burn. The orange cheeto, said what's the rush. What did you expect in sixty-four days. Well, he wanted to shove it down democrats throats the day that it was repealed the same day it was brought into ...more
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 6:33 PM
Full control of Congress isn't everything it's cracked up to be, just ask Obama.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 24, 17 9:24 PM
This bill was a piece of crap thank goodness it was pulled now Obama Care will collapse under It s own weight.The health care bill’s failure Is just part of the art of the deal
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 24, 17 6:37 PM
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Why didn't the orange chetto get it right the first time. The greatest dealmaker in the world. He sure has you fooled.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 7:02 PM
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Trump stood behind this bill (and Ryan) and worked hard over the past few weeks to try to get enough people to vote for it. He failed in his efforts. How is this part of the art of the deal?
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 8:10 PM
SH_Res:

Trump supported Ryan's political suicide. Brilliantly.
By loading... (553), quiogue on Mar 25, 17 2:28 AM
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loading - Trump has been saying for weeks that he's "proud to endorse" this plan. Now we're supposed to assume this was all part of some master strategy of his and be happy he was lying to us? You guys give him way too much credit.

He supported it and tried to push it through, but failed. That's it.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 25, 17 8:54 AM
Had to be done this way SH. He gave him enough rope to hang himself...

Master strategy indeed... Greetings Professor Falken
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 25, 17 12:42 PM
Paul Ryan Pulls Bill: "Obamacare Is The Law Of The Land" Thats right and you and Pelosi and Obama Own that sinking ship of garbage... LOVE LOVE LOVE IT!
Mar 24, 17 6:52 PM appended by joe hampton
In a compromise with poison, only death can win. Step 1 has to be a full repeal of Obamacare. Then, and only then, should specific individual ideas be debated and voted on.. MAGA!
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 24, 17 6:52 PM
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What happened, the Drumpf was going to write a really great healthcare bill. He had no plan when he campaigned, and he has no plan now. You keep buying that he is competent. this is just the beginning of the worst presidency in American history. He has turned us into the laughingstock and embarrassment of the world. You should be proud Joe.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 7:01 PM
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i am so proud of my country again..... the conservative members forced the truth.

if mr trump wants a chance of a 2nd term he had better get behind these members. It is they that are doing the peoples business!
By Erin 27 E (1180), hampton bays on Mar 24, 17 7:18 PM
Another low IQ post. The Freedom Caucus was opposed to Trumpcare b/c it wasn't mean enough. Way more than the 20 million who'd be knocked off health insurance under Trumpcare wasn't nearly enough for them. These yahoos are OWNED by and for the billionaire Koch Brothers, and are only there to do their bidding. No taxes for the them, just you and me. Freedom to pollute the earth. No benefits for any disadvantaged fellow Americans. When does it dawn on you that your support of their agenda is ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 24, 17 7:54 PM
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How is life in Shunville
Mar 25, 17 6:39 AM appended by They call me
For those who missed It, (Phil M. AKA Phil the anarchist) made a pathetic attempt at being heard early this morning around 4 AM when he created his latest reincarnation of his banned Phil @ Home moniker, He was swiftly booted from the premises.
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 25, 17 6:39 AM
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glad i missed that
By Erin 27 E (1180), hampton bays on Mar 25, 17 9:08 AM
The real losers as usual are the American people.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 24, 17 7:01 PM
The real losers are the American people who voted for Drumpf. Thanks for the lying, narcissistic, classless, child-in-chief. Complete control of Congress and couldn't close. Must be somebody else fault.Gee, this stuff is really complicated. I have a really great plan!! Keep drinking this liars kool-aid! By the way, your first installment of the wall is due!
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 24, 17 7:07 PM
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Woohoo! Get rid of Ryancare. Get rid of Ryan. Repeal Obamacare. Don't replace it.

It's not a defeat, it's a victory for We the People - RINOCare was a progressive healthcare plan, not a Conservative plan.
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Mar 24, 17 7:14 PM
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8 years of hearings. 8 years of bills asking for Obamacare to be repealed. 8 MF years of BS, and not once could you propose a better plan. And even while the rest of the GOP is burning and willing to admit defeat, that they can't do anything better without becoming a "socialist," Lee Zealot stands in front of the fire and tells is everything is under control. He knows what's best,

Zeldin is a national embarrassment.
By Brandon Quinn (177), Hampton Bays on Mar 24, 17 7:55 PM
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MEDICARE FOR ALL. Robert Ball who wrote the Medicare legislation during the LBJ administration wrote that eligibility would initially be for seniors with a gradual lowered age of eligibility until we had a single payer universal health care system. Then the jackass Reagan comes out and makes the gag-producing pronouncement that someday we'll look back to when "Americans were free". (Because Medicare and Medicaid "diminish our freedom", doncha' know.) Translation: we resent paying a 3% surcharge ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 24, 17 8:47 PM
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JuneZ, the Obamacare debacle was created to implode under it's own weight, leading to the socialists' dream of single payer health insurance. When that happens the government should get out of the insurance business and let the free market work.
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 25, 17 8:13 AM
Obamacare lives, Trumpcare dies. RIP Trumpcare. Big nail in Lee Zeldin's political coffin, too. This has been a good day for the country and for CD 1.
By Turkey Bridge (1927), Quiogue on Mar 24, 17 9:28 PM
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Think again. Obama doesn't win. What the President did was to show that he could support the Republicans and their bill. The bill didn't measure up and it was pulled. That is a huuge win for the American people. It means that until it is exactly right for all Americans...something that "we will be very happy with" the President won't sign it. It means he won't sign a bill just to sign a bill. Having Congress vote on something that was going nowhere would have been a waste of time. Time to shuffle ...more
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Mar 24, 17 11:27 PM
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"It means that until it is exactly right for all Americans...something that "we will be very happy with" the President won't sign it."

Uh, he said it was a great plan and was pushing for it to go through. Based on that we can all assume he would have signed it. Makes no sense to now say he was waiting for something great and wasn't going to sign a bill just to sign a bill. That's exactly what he was going to do, until he realized that bill was about to fail.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 25, 17 9:01 AM
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This isn't a loss for Trump, it is a loss for RINOS like Ryan. You think Trump didn't have a plan for or expect this loss? Keep underestimating him at your own peril. You whip yourselves up in a frenzy over such a predictable outcome. Nothing changes quickly, a large ship turning in the sea and all. Big changes coming long term. #SCOTUS.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 24, 17 9:40 PM
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As far as the Supreme court goes, as long as this isn't "fake news":

SCOTUS hands down unanimous decision against one of your rulings during your confirmation hearings. We all do lose some...
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 24, 17 10:19 PM
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Yeah Z, check back in after he doesn't confirmed.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 25, 17 5:36 PM
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By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 25, 17 10:19 PM
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to 27dan, fire 11, even flow, They call me, Undocumented Democrat, joe hampton, Ditch Bum, Mr. Snerdley, SlimeAlive, bigfresh, Erin 27 E, Sturgis, Biba and razza5350:

Following The Donald's face-plant today on Obamacare, Ladbrokes of the U.K. (the world renowned professional bookmaker) has revised its odds. As of today it will pay out 4 for 5 if The Donald leaves office via impeachment or resignation before the end of his first term. (Down from 10 for 11 yesterday.)

Get your money ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 25, 17 12:52 AM
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What were the bookmakers odds that he would become president? Wish I had money on that. Love him or hate him One thing we have learned about trump during this whole process is he is a fighter. I wouldn't bet against him.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 25, 17 4:45 AM
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In the years following President Clinton's inauguration, "pundits" will analyze the extreme Right-Wing Republican email smear as an example of the fantastical and comical lengths to which political ideologues are willing to go in their attempts to discredit their opponents. We will all laugh.



By highhatsize (2727), East Quogue on May 27, 16 4:56 PM
Mar 25, 17 6:44 AM appended by They call me
For those who missed It, (Phil M. AKA Phil the anarchist) made a pathetic attempt at being heard early this morning around 4 AM when he created his latest reincarnation of his banned Phil @ Home moniker, He was swiftly booted from the premises.
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 25, 17 6:44 AM
Emotional fluffy nonsense. Your continued, pathetic belief that someone is going to save you from the next 8 years belies your authentic naivety.

The plan that got shot down is a lot softer than what will be offered as Plan B.
By even flow (808), East Hampton on Mar 25, 17 7:04 AM
HAHAHAHA... the sound of laughing at ignorance.

Maybe fathat will be kidnapped by Costa Rican gorillas... or guerillas... either way, my guess is they'd return him given the annoyance.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 25, 17 1:30 PM
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Hopefully the next TrumpTopian smoke-screen is not a war, but as the cautions above say:
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["don't underestimate him" -- "wouldn't bet against him" -- "supported Ryan's political suicide. Brilliantly."]
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. . . the only way out of his self-created mess may be to make things worse . . .
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Fasten seat belts.
By PBR (4900), Southampton on Mar 25, 17 6:11 AM
You libs will regret this. Now Trump can say he tried it the RINOs way and it flopped. Round II won't be as touchy-feely.

In the meantime Obamacare isn't doing the left any favors. Americans watching them cheer on a plan whose huge deductibles force them to avoid obtaining recommended care-while coating them a fortune.
By even flow (808), East Hampton on Mar 25, 17 7:00 AM
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Why would he try it the riino's way. He said he knew this stuff better than anyone.I have a really great plan, remember that. He's too lazy and stupid to get farther. He was busy yesterday playing truck boy in a photo-op. He does "busy work" holds meetings, and campaigns. He doesn't know anything else. He didn't have a plan when he campaigned and he has no plan now.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 25, 17 7:08 AM
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Again, why should the government be in the health insurance business? Get out of the way and let the free market work.
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 25, 17 8:15 AM
Another genius weighs in..... You're gonna' shop around the "free market" for a doctor or a hospital or an ambulance ride in the middle of your heart attack? No such thing as a free market in health care, Skippy.
Don't think so? In this scenario you have a policy. You're lying in the street having been hit by a car. Your fantasy unregulated free market is in place. Bad enough in a regulated market, but in that scenario, you can be sure the insurance company would find a way to wiggle ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 25, 17 12:04 PM
Hey Bigfresh, Juney B thinks you are a genius. Pretty flattering huh?
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 25, 17 5:42 PM
Zeldin was that ONLY republican representative between NY and NJ to vote "yes" on this directionless bill that did not represent any constituents of any party
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Mar 25, 17 8:34 AM
1. Zeldin did not vote for the bill. It never went up for a vote.
2. Trump may be many things but lazy and stupid are not two of them.
3. The bills failure can mainly be attributed to the Koch brothers and Ryan's inability to lead.
4 the ACA is a POS that will ultimately fail and for the sake of the American people needs to be scraped.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 25, 17 8:59 AM
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The bill was atrocious. It was opposed by every major conservative and/or health group--Heritage Action, the AMA, the American Hospital Association, AARP, and had a whopping 17% polling approval. What it was a massive billion dollar plus tax cut for the wealthy masquerading as healthcare. Period. But apart from the bill itself, its failure has added to trump's impotence on top of his executive orders blocked by federal courts and his abject failure in international relations. Parties ALWAYS ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 25, 17 1:26 PM
Everything is going exactly according to plan, Goodbye Paul Ryan and hello Neil Gorsuch

" The art of the deal "

MAGA President Trump!
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 25, 17 9:06 AM
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According to plan? Trump said multiple times he would repeal and replace Obamacare "immediately." He even said it would be "so easy." That take it or leave it act he tried to pull on Thursday was pretty funny. Guess he's beginning to learn you can't run government like a business.

Note that he also included repeal and replace of Obamacare in his 100-day plan. He still has about 35 days to accomplish this, but let's be realistic...

This is not going according to Trump's plan.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 25, 17 10:14 PM
Paul Ryan, McCarthy and the rest of the RHINO leadership are the cause of this healthcare plan debacle. Misleading Trump on the status of votes and support of this bill was unconscionable.
By BillWillConn3 (174), Southampton on Mar 25, 17 9:22 AM
We have 2 hospitals on the East End -- Peconic and Southampton/Stony Brook. MERGE THEM AND ELIMINATE THE INSURANCE COMPANY. All the local doctors admit to those two hospitals. Divide the cost of running it all by the number of LEGAL residents and let's be done with the drama. Southampton Town Supervisor wants to solve "lack of affordable housing" by building new housing funded by our taxes but it's beyond government ability to serve lack of affordable healthcare. Either do that or lower Medicare ...more
By dfree (693), hampton bays on Mar 25, 17 11:16 AM
Paul Ryan is doing EXACTLY what his Masters want him do.

Nothing constructive nor conservative will pass until a REAL CONSERVATIVE is elected Speaker (Louie Gohmert) Call your representative once a week and demand Ryan be replaced.

There is a lot of swamp to drain. MAGA
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 25, 17 12:37 PM
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Police Finally Release Mugshot of Westminster Killer Khalid Masood

London’s Metropolitan Police have released the first photograph of Islamist killer Khalid Masood, who went on a bloody rampage in Westminster of Innocent pedestrians on Wednesday.

What a waste those poor family's must be going through a living hell.

Pray for them.
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Mar 25, 17 1:55 PM
so so horrible. every few days they strike innocent people again, why ?

what do they gain from all of this killing, all this blood running in the streets, restaurants and malls ?

how do we stop this sick twisted ideology from spreading all over the world
By Erin 27 E (1180), hampton bays on Mar 25, 17 2:05 PM
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He looks like a charming fella
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Mar 25, 17 7:29 PM
Did you feel this way when the Irish Republican Army was blowing up people in London?
By dfree (693), hampton bays on Mar 25, 17 2:46 PM
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Why wouldn't she radical terrorist murders are all the same wouldn't you agree dfree ? ? ?
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 25, 17 5:14 PM
dfree is obviously a Bill Maher and and borrowed that analogy.
Mar 25, 17 10:20 PM appended by dnice
Bill Maher "fan"
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 25, 17 10:20 PM
some people round here sure do seem to have a knack for defending the indefensible
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Mar 25, 17 10:50 PM
such a stupid qestion d, thank you joe ;)
By Erin 27 E (1180), hampton bays on Mar 27, 17 10:44 AM
Lies about EVERYTHING.
Photo of trump in golf shoes going up a flight of stairs at Trump National appeared on Instagram this afternoon. Press pool told he was in meetings.
No one would begrudge a president the occasional golf game, but it's about all this vile man does.
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 25, 17 7:00 PM
Awww, poor Democrats. Defend defend defend.... presto chango lose an election....attack attack attack and exaggerate in the process to further the point.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 26, 17 12:45 AM
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Oh, those Syrian refugee "ways"....

A Family Of Syrian Refugees Have Launched Canada’s Hottest Chocolate Company

03/23/2017

Peace by Chocolate is bringing a taste of Damascus to Nova Scotia — and they can barely keep up with demand

By Lisa Jackson


PEACE BY CHOCOLATE
For Assam Hadhad, there are two ingredients for living a happy life: peace and chocolate. Once a leading chocolatier in Damascus, this ambitious Syrian refugee is now ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 25, 17 7:24 PM
Muslims kill Christian girl: “Christian girls are only meant for one thing: the pleasure of Muslim men”
JANUARY 22, 2016 10:22 AM BY ROBERT SPENCER

Kiran was killed in Pakistan, but we have already heard a variation on the idea that “Christians girls are only meant for one thing: the pleasure of Muslim men” in Europe: “German girls are just there for sex.” Muslim men committed mass rapes and sex assaults all over Europe on New Year’s Eve, operating ...more
By SlimeAlive (1139), Southampton on Mar 26, 17 7:18 AM
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This story is from the Gatestone Institute, which is known to be anti-Islam and has been criticized in the past for making up false stories about Muslims.

Please find some credible sources.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 26, 17 2:21 PM
Oops, it's actually from "Jihad Watch" but was re-reported by Gatestone. Even worse.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 26, 17 2:23 PM
Oops, it's actually from "Jihad Watch" but was re-reported by Gatestone. Even worse.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 26, 17 2:24 PM
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By SlimeAlive (1139), Southampton on Mar 26, 17 7:15 AM
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Those durn furriners been shooting with their guns they get from the durn middle easterners -- like that guy who murdered all those folks attending the prayer meeting at the Emmanuel church in Charleston, SC...oh wait that was racist native born Americam who bought automatic weapons at the local Kmart.

Wait, how about that guy who shot and killed all those kindergarten kids and their young teachers at the elementary school in Connecticut? No, that was a native born nut job whose mom ...more
By dfree (693), hampton bays on Mar 26, 17 9:28 AM
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While the above mentioned deranged mass murders are tragic, they were not committed in the name of a religion , whereas most terrorist acts are.
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 26, 17 9:43 AM
You're wrong. Shooting attendees at churches and synagogue in Charleston, Knoxville and St. Louis respectively means the murders were committed in the name of the white racist Christian philosophy which can't tolerate other religions. Try again.
By dfree (693), hampton bays on Mar 26, 17 10:02 AM
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And let's not forget the spate of religion-based murders of abortion providers by white Christian natives a few years back.
It is pathetic that so many are taken in by propaganda. Faux News actually dedicates an entire show to the demonization of those dark-skinned, swarthy, scary, rapacious sub-humans marauding through our precious perfect neighborhoods hosted by one Jesse Watters (who had to issue what turned out to be a non-apology for on-air bigoted behavior toward Asians). You would think ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 26, 17 12:18 PM
Please provide some quotes from the Bible exhorting Christians to kill all no believers in the name of Christ. Not sure you will find any but there are many passages in the Q'ran that demand Muslims kill "infidels" in the name of Allah.
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 26, 17 12:27 PM
Ha. If only each of the Abrahamic religions would examine their own consciences. Ever hear of the Crusades? 5 centuries of killing by the "infidels". Ever hear of long memories? Please spare us your misanthropic bias.
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 26, 17 1:18 PM
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.... GO TRUMP MAGA
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 26, 17 2:26 PM
Re: bigfresh, joe, Undocument, they call me. Here's one quote from the Bible which basically says to stone people to death for worshiping other gods:

Deuteronomy 17: If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; **And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them,** either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have ...more
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 26, 17 2:58 PM
I have not seen many examples of that on the streets since like what 150 AD or so
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 26, 17 3:41 PM
to SH_Res:

Contrary to your suggestion, the ONLY passages in the New Testament that can be interpreted as approving of violence by Christians are those that refer to Jesus (i.e. "god") driving the money-lenders from the temple, to which your citation of Luke 19 properly refers. There are no others.

By contrast, the surahs and ahadith of Islam and the Torah and Talmud of Judaism are replete with mandates to violence and to other reprehensible actions. Most startling among these ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 26, 17 4:19 PM
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How about a quote JuneZ? Do Christian ministers and priests regularly preach about killing others because of differing religious beliefs and back it up with Q'ran passages? Seems as if you ae attempting to defend the indefensible again.
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 26, 17 4:59 PM
highhatsize - I never said they were all New Testament, nor did bigfresh reference the New Testament in his/her comment. The Old Testament is definitely much more violent, but still part of the Christian Bible.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 26, 17 5:10 PM
bigfresh - It's not about defending that kind of behavior - of course it's disgusting and indefensible. It's about shutting down the notion that this is "regular" behavior among Muslims across the world. It's not.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 26, 17 5:22 PM
Also, what really gets to me are the comments on here of people saying Muslims are too different from us; they shouldn't be allowed in our country; I would never want one as a neighbor; they think X or do Y terrible thing.

How can you justify such blatant discrimination against 1 in 4 of the world's people simply based on their religion? That, to me, is indefensible.

Get to know an average Muslim and I guarantee you'll stop feeling so much hate and fear.

"I note the ...more
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 26, 17 5:54 PM
No one defends the indefensible, but to paint with a broad brush as it relates to any group of individual human beings is foolish. And the foolishness can be shown by the miniscule number of Muslim terrorists vs. the billions that exist in the world.
The word "infidel" is actually an ancient Catholic term referring to any non-Catholic held in contempt just as those who do not recognize Allah are held in Islam. The punishment of the Catholic infidel is to be carried out by God in hell. ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 26, 17 6:47 PM
to SH_Res:

Quote:

"highhatsize - I never said they were all New Testament, nor did bigfresh reference the New Testament in his/her comment. The Old Testament is definitely much more violent, but still part of the Christian Bible."
-----------------------------------

Bigfresh asked, specifically, "Please provide some quotes from the Bible exhorting Christians to kill all no believers in the name of Christ."

There are none, nor are there any texts other than ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 27, 17 1:27 AM
Looks like Slime and PW can't quite clear the bar for posting on 27east. Keep trying, guys, just recall those 3rd Grade lessons in deportment, that should do it.

Anyway, I keep reverting to local politics in this context. After all, short of those Ladbroke's odds being beaten, we're stuck with DJT for four years, and it will take more than ourselves to oust him in 2020. Lee Zeldin, the subject of this article, is by contrast entirely in our hands and his turn comes up next year.

In ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1927), Quiogue on Mar 26, 17 10:02 AM
As bad as Ryan Car seemed to be, it would have been a marked improvement over Obamacare. None the less ,t hank God the Conservatives in Congress put a stop to it. Time to repeal it and get government out of the picture.
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 26, 17 12:32 PM
It wasn't only the conservatives. Moderate Republicans also played a huge role.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Mar 26, 17 2:26 PM
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“Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.”
― Sun Tzump, The Art of ( The Deal )

Ryan is done...
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 26, 17 2:32 PM
bravura
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Mar 26, 17 2:39 PM
Have to agree with SH Res. I have been saying for a while that the Republican party is a joke. Can't get out of their own way, can't agree on anything, can't build consensus, can't lead. As a conservative it is so damn depressing that these fools can't get out of their own way. Trump is going to have to succeed in spite of them. Seven years and that was the best they could do? Total disservice to all who voted them into office.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 26, 17 6:35 PM
What you have is a party of factions with no core. Emblematic of trump who has no core ideology, merely used the party as a vehicle, and is wholly unequipped to hold high--or any--office. Additionally it was sagely pointed out today that the Republicans in Congress were voted in on slogans, are not legislators, and have no idea how to make law. (*A very good thing in this case, however, that this dumpster fire of a bill did not pass.) Not to mention they are by and large of the generation that ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 26, 17 7:14 PM
Juney B, are you another one who has no original thought but is willing to trumpet, and pass as your own, Bill Maher's thoughts? Yeah, I watch that show too.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 26, 17 7:54 PM
Unfortunately, disservice to the American people is a Republican Party mainstay. From Reagan tripling the debt, to not paying for wars, to the economic meltdown even the policies they got Democrats to agree upon have been a disaster in the long term (GLBA, yeah they own it).

For forty years the GOP has consistently performed dismally.
Mar 26, 17 8:09 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Deficits, Debts and Democrats vs Republicans — US national debt in graphs by year and president". The article even has pictures so it's easy to understand.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 26, 17 8:09 PM
I see some weakness in the reading comprehension department. Firstly, what I posted is by and large factual, so "original thought" is not applicable. And second, you do see that what I was stating vis-a-vis the Republican congressional reps had been "pointed out", so in no way was it presented as "original thought". Thirdly, I've long been aware of how seriously dangerous it became for democracy when civics and history were discontinued from curricula.
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 26, 17 8:40 PM
You can tell Mr. Z has no problem being dishonest and deceitful when making an argument.

"From Reagan Tripling the debt".

Why don't you show us numbers...let's say debt at the beginning and end of Reagan's term and Obama's. Go ahead and adjust for inflation. Not everyone stupid enough to believe to fall for your propagandists trick. Tripling one's debt from $10 to $30 is WORSE than only doubling it from $100 to $200, is that right?

The way Democrats and their minor surrogates ...more
By MoronEliminator (168), Montauk on Mar 26, 17 9:09 PM
BS Juney B. Anyone who watched Bill Maher's last show would chuckle at the similarity to your post.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 27, 17 12:07 AM
Z, disservice to the American people is not limited to one party.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 27, 17 12:09 AM
Hey MoronEliminator, failed policies and economic meltdowns much like nuclear blasts have fallout. There were things Obama had no control over, like revenue tanked in the first few years of the Obama administration thanks to the recession and the extension of the Bush tax cuts which failed two finance not one, but two wars and then some.

If you really do look at the numbers, the Obama administration's alleged "debt" is a bucketload of leftovers from the "Reign of Error", a.k.a. GWB. At ...more
Mar 27, 17 12:59 AM appended by Mr. Z
The Obama administration actually contributed 983 billion dollars to the National Debt between 2009 and 2017. Yet again, you've swallowed right handed propaganda whole.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 27, 17 12:59 AM
'and the extension of the Bush tax cuts"

You mean, those tax cuts Obama and Democrats extended?

Why is it that only Obama gets a free pass on things outside of his control? At lease Bush knows how many state there are, and it's not 57.
Mar 27, 17 8:08 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
... your references to Nazi Germany and other vitriol aside...
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 27, 17 8:08 AM
Right. And those cuts were extended due the a bunch of greedheads blowing the **** off the world economy thanks to Republican owned Acts like the GLBA. They authored it, they own it. Republicans OWN the economic meltdown. That's not Obama's fault. There are a sufficient number of people who don't care about the long term consequences of the acts they participate in that do real harm. That would be the "it may be unethical, but it's not illegal" crowd.

BTW, the same type of tax cuts ...more
Mar 27, 17 9:20 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, before you say the problem was poor people buying houses the couldn't afford the same economic bubble existed in the commercial sector as well. That scapegoat ran out of the barnyard.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 27, 17 9:20 AM
to Mr. Snerdley:

Quote:

"HAHAHAHA... the sound of laughing at ignorance.

"Maybe fathat will be kidnapped by Costa Rican gorillas... or guerillas... either way, my guess is they'd return him given the annoyance."
----------------------------------------------------------

There are neither gorillas nor guerillas [sic] in Costa Rica, Mr. Snerdley, as you would know if your ignorance occasionally prompted a more rational (and productive) reaction than laughter. ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 26, 17 10:04 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHA ---> you.
Mar 26, 17 12:04 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Perhaps you will one day figure out hat nothing you post is taken with any ounce of credibility, and it is appropriately met with the same.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 26, 17 12:04 PM
nope don't want him
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 26, 17 2:16 PM
hhs, Its Sunday for the love of God, shouldn't you be working on the NYT crossword puzzle
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Mar 26, 17 2:43 PM
The child-in-chief blamed Pelosi and Schumer for his defeat. Now it's the Republicans. At what point does he act like a man and take responsibility for his actions. The braggadocio blowhard had the whole deck stacked in his corner when he walked into the White house. When are you going to realize he's not some great business man. Didn't all those failed businesses tell you anything. Even Ivanka with all her advantages and schooling can't keep it going.Maybe we need another Hitleresque rally to boost ...more
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 27, 17 6:11 AM
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Being accountable is a male trait?
By even flow (808), East Hampton on Mar 27, 17 6:37 AM
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"The child-in-chief blamed Pelosi and Schumer for his defeat"

I think what Trump said was that he blamed Democrats for its failure and also said Pelosi and Schumer and were "the real "losers" along with Democratic leaders, and not Republican leadership. I don't see how that's not accurate given there was zero Democrat support and Obamacare will likely implode. Democrats still own it.

By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 27, 17 8:00 AM
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It's an adult trait, which he clearly doesn't have. Neither does his supporters.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 27, 17 9:26 AM
Mets Fan, you are a clearly a hater of Donald Trump and therefore unable to have an objective opinion. Of course it is his fault, he has the whole deck right? Except that the deck he has is full of obstructionists who have no ability, or desire, to come together to get anything done. I knew this when he was running. The R's are a bunch of petty fools. Not Trump's fault but go on blaming him as I am sure it makes you sleep better at night. Don't get me wrong. I have never been a big Trump fan ...more
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 27, 17 12:55 PM
The ACHA was a nonsensical piece of legislation that would have guaranteed personal bankruptcy and hospital bankruptcy filings to soar. If the Democratic Party is to blame for anything, it's their fault that the age for Medicare has not been lowered to 55 from 65 with deep cuts in military spending to pay for it. Let's start trading our outdated and impossible to defend carrier groups and strategically unimportant land based ICBM silos for expanded healthcare for US citizens.
By dfree (693), hampton bays on Mar 27, 17 8:49 AM
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A potentially great President would have asked for a bi-partisan committee on one of the most important issues to americans. But the child liar-in-chief was still nursing his slights from the Democratic party. His only purpose to roll this plan out with so little time was to repeal it the same day it was put into law. He wanted to show everyone what a big winner he is. By the way, he blamed the Freedom Caucus as well.Like I said, just a little child playing celebrity apprentice with our government. ...more
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 27, 17 9:15 AM
Give me a break! Obama rammed the ACA through with out GOP bi partisan support and did so through procedural moves. If memory serves me correctly it was no picnic either.
Did Trump fall down and get bruised on this one? yes. Will he get up and try again before his term is up? yes.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 27, 17 10:37 AM
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Does this mean you've given up on the idea that all presidents should be great presidents, that the president is charged with representing the people not a political party? Do you celebrate the intransigence Washington demonstrates daily to boost the egos of pandering politicos?

Will you ever stop looking for a "win" for your side and start looking for bipartisan cooperation for the benefit of the American people?
By VOS (1170), WHB on Mar 27, 17 6:00 PM
The Republicans didn't need Democrat support REMEMBER, they owned the house. The braggadocio blow-hard couldn't close with his fellow Republicans.Gee, this is really complicated! You still think he is competent, nothing but a 70 year old rookie.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 27, 17 9:25 AM
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What is the only thing important to right wing wing nuts is ideology is more important than facts or truth.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 27, 17 9:28 AM
hey mr. hat , mets and sh, how about this for truth. my husband and i with four children are now paying $ 2600 + per month for health insurance.

as a husband and wife we are no longer considered a group. i know others on this site are annoyed about the same thing. as of this week we are now down to one choice in ny (oscar) and the coverage (choice of hospitals and doctors) is not even close to what I had with united health care. wtf obama ?

i thought i was going to be able to ...more
By Erin 27 E (1180), hampton bays on Mar 27, 17 10:59 AM
Don't wast your time Erin I've tried to explain the same thing and it falls on deaf ears, I'm sure more than half the people reading your post pay nothing or half that to be covered by better insurance than you and I.

Where is the justice in that ?

But they got what they want and figure you own a business and make to much $ to be able to afford 2,600 a month, so it serves you right to bare the burden of subsidizing there insurance as well..... After all It takes a village and you ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Mar 27, 17 11:35 AM
Not to sound like a jerk Erin but due to the size of my company " this bill we passed to find out what was in it" has cost me a ridiculous amount of money...

....and like UD says, good luck getting anyone to acknowledge the many sacra vices that I am sure you and you family have made to get where you are... the years of working 12 hour days 6 or7 days a week and the sleepless nights you have had trying to make pay roll. They could care less... all they know is... give me, give me, give ...more
Mar 27, 17 11:52 AM appended by joe hampton
sacrifices
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 27, 17 11:52 AM
Prior to the ACA, as a self-employed person and not eligible for a group rate, I was paying the same per month as you do. And that was more than a decade ago. Difference was there was no coverage then for anyone with a pre-existing condition, and 18 year-olds had to have their own policies. Your beef should be with our system of for-profit healthcare, the stranglehold the profiteers have on lawmakers, and their greed. Make sense to you that we are bombarded with commercials for drugs we ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 27, 17 11:57 AM
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So 6 people insured at $433/month. That sounds about right -- is it Oscar Silver or Bronze? Deductible? Total out of pocket? any pre-existing conditions in your family that require chronic care or treatment? Any smokers? Anyone more than 30% overweight according to NIH standards?

Sure, If you think the Republican bill before the House was a better deal, it wasn't, especially for New York State which would have gotten creamed. And don't blame former President Obama, blame Governor ...more
By dfree (693), hampton bays on Mar 27, 17 12:51 PM
My wife and I are in the same boat as Erin, without the children,we pay over $1,400.00 per month and were forced out of a business alliance after 15 years due to Obamacare and the change in the definition of what constitutes a business when it comes to purchasing health insurance. The plan we had was declared noncompliant due to the level of coverage, idiotic since we have a fully funded HSA (health savings account) that more than covered all deductibles and out of pocket expenses. We are now FORCED ...more
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 27, 17 1:02 PM
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Why didn't the Orange Cheetoh fix it for you. You voted for him because he promised lower premiums, deductibles, and coverage. What happened? Not so easy, is it for the braggadocio blow-hard. How is it $2700 buys meals, cooked and delivered for three hundred days. But a hospital room costs $2200 a day average. I don't see nurses driving around in Mercedes Benz. Don't tell me it's the Latino's .The greatest % of unpaid hospital bills are still white people at Southampton Hospital.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 27, 17 1:34 PM
So cafeteria insurance would be preferable to you? Then you do realize that your costs would probably be astronomically higher being insurance can only exist as a "pool".
Ever consider yourself as unlucky enough, as a close friend did, to lose insurance when laid off, have a pre-existing condition (cancer, no less) and be unable to get insurance?
What ever happened to the mindset of the common good, of being all in together in our country? It used to be you desired the same for your ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 28, 17 10:52 AM
Wow Juney B and to think I thought you were unintelligent before this post.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 17 7:54 PM
This weekend at Colgate University in Hamilton, NY, former Vice President Joe Biden said he believes he could have won the presidency against Donald Trump, and therefore he regrets “not being president.”

By local 84 (340), riverhead on Mar 27, 17 9:40 AM
We regret you being Vice President.
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Mar 27, 17 9:42 AM
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Birds of a feather, flock together...

Paul Ryan, no doubt, also regrets
that Joe is not President.
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 27, 17 9:45 AM
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THANK GOD FOR RON PAUL AND THE FREEDOM CAUCUS !!!

Mark Meadows / Justin Amash / Brian Babin / Rod Blum / Dave Brat / Jim Bridenstine...

NOW LETS START OVER WITH A BILL THAT REPEALS AND REPLACES LIKE WE WERE PROMISED...

MAGA
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 27, 17 10:38 AM
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tto Erin 27 E, Undocumented Democrat & bigfresh:

Actually, for those individual insureds who aren't able to finesse their marriage/business status, the average health insurance premium under Obamacare is LOWER than it would have been for an identical, privately purchased policy:

"[E]ven if ACA marketplace premiums grow significantly in 2017, they will still be much lower" than individual plan premiums would have been without the ACA, on average." *

YOUR only objection, ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 27, 17 1:26 PM
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* "Average health insurance premiums fell after Obamacare took effect, study says" by Dan Mangan (CNBC.com., Wednesday, 27 Jul 2016)

That's funny, mine went up almost 30% for worse coverage.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 27, 17 10:32 PM
"Underhanded, selfish and cheap"? For being pissed that the definition of what constitutes a business for MARRIED couples was changed, that we are forced by the government to purchase a product, for being denied the coverage that suits our needs, for a childless couple to be forced to purchase maternity/ pediatric coverage? You sir have been poisoned and brain damaged by swilling the liberal Kool Aid. Your snide assertion that there is something underhanded about owning a business is further proof ...more
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 28, 17 6:55 AM
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The denial is strong in here. You elected a buffoon!
By johnj (960), Westhampton on Mar 27, 17 3:07 PM
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Freedom Caucus saved the House Republicans and Trump from Suicide-By-RyanCare.

Repeal Lyin' Ryan, replace with Speaker Jim Jordan, ASAP

Trump better not move another inch toward the Dem's and Rinos... he better turn quickly or he will be in trouble! We are not taking anymore crap from Washington. or anyone else

MAGA
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 27, 17 4:25 PM
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"Democrats are smiling in D.C. that the Freedom Caucus, with the help of Club For Growth and Heritage, have saved Planned Parenthood & Ocare!" @realDonaldTrump

hahahahahahahahahahaha
By johnj (960), Westhampton on Mar 27, 17 4:45 PM
Oh, you're not taking any more "crap"? You in the right-wing minority? Guess what? Those of us in the majority are sick of the do nothing and know nothing congressional wingnuts.

Perhaps you can outline for us the particulars of healthcare that would be acceptable to you. We'd like to hear your suggestions instead of your complaints.
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 27, 17 6:34 PM
> "Those of us in the majority are sick of the do nothing
> and know nothing congressional wingnuts."

Really? Emboldened at the thought that you and other twinks and snowflakes are NOT in the minority?

You got a lot of learning and growing up to do Li'l Ms. J.Bug!



By Frank Wheeler (1809), Northampton on Mar 27, 17 9:08 PM
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"YOUR only objection, ...more besides now being compelled to pay the insurance rates that married couples are supposed to pay, is that you are being made to pay for coverage you won't use, such as maternity care, even though such coverage is obviously crucial to America's future. Your personal ideologies can be summed up in three words: underhanded, selfish & cheap."

YOU COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG !

It's not about lower $ .... you have never heard me once complain about how I cant ...more
By Erin 27 E (1180), hampton bays on Mar 28, 17 1:52 AM
Erin. You could also try blue cross. It uses their crappy pathway network but may be slightly better than the other two plans. Not sure of city hospitals but meeting house lane medical and Southampton take it locally. No out of network plans though.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 28, 17 5:52 AM
Wishing you luck Erin and feeling your pain....none of the cancer facilities in the ti state area accepted our insurance after Obamacare so were we forced to change insurance to receive treatment at Sloan Kettering . We've had Oxford since than an it looks like we will be getting the raw end of the stick again.....
By toes in the water (758), southampton on Mar 28, 17 7:27 AM
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Hmmmmmm...

Senate reportedly wants MI6 spy Christopher Steele to testify on salacious Trump-Russia dossier

Chris Sommerfeldt, NY Daily News
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 27, 17 8:37 PM
A clear indication that Trumpcare would have hurt the user at the expense of Insurance company profits is the hit insurers have taken in the stock market since the plan was abandoned.
By VOS (1170), WHB on Mar 28, 17 1:40 AM
A clear indication that Trumpcare would have hurt the user at the expense of Insurance company profits is the hit insurers have taken in the stock market since the plan was abandoned.
By VOS (1170), WHB on Mar 28, 17 1:40 AM
It is NOT a clear indication. What facts do you have to support that statement. The Dow jones and S and P 500 has been down across the board over the last week.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 28, 17 5:56 AM
Of course VOS is right re: the drop in insurance stox. And the market in general is down b/c the defeat of trumpnocare has put trump's agenda, at least temporarily, in doubt.
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 28, 17 10:22 AM
June bug and VOS. The next warren buffets. Seeing as you guys are the nostradamuses of the stock market why don't you tell me what it will do over the next week. I'd like to make some money. Hopefully you geniuses shorted health care stocks and made a killing.....no? I thought so.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 29, 17 5:54 AM
Why didn't you right wing nuts press Trump harder for information on his proposed healthcare bill before the election. You know why, he had NO plan. He has NO plan now. He didn't even understand the plan that was defeated. He is an incompetent orange orangutan. When was the last time there was a photo-op of him in church besides the inauguration. He golfs every weekend, this weekend with the golf pro at the club. Did you really think the p**** grabber was actually religious.The biggest phony in ...more
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 28, 17 5:59 AM
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Lib logic:

if you make fun of obama or ever mention his skin color, you are a racist. no references to black anything, and if you even dare mention monkeys, your career is over

oh and trump is an orange oragutan
By SlimeAlive (1139), Southampton on Mar 28, 17 7:29 AM
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Orange cheetoh orangutan, my mistake
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 28, 17 5:39 PM
The Clintons must explain their Russian dealings. Resets, uranium, speeches none of it adds up.
By even flow (808), East Hampton on Mar 28, 17 6:09 AM
You spelled 'The Trumps" wrong
By johnj (960), Westhampton on Mar 28, 17 10:14 AM
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Why was Bill Clinton taking any money from a bank linked to the Kremlin while his wife was Secretary of State?
By loading... (553), quiogue on Mar 28, 17 6:02 PM
The propaganda organ of he Democrat Party will never allow that to happen, the MSM will dismiss the idea out of hand and the liberal rubes will never learn about the Clinton treachery.
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 28, 17 9:28 AM
How do you boycott a person?
By johnj (960), Westhampton on Mar 28, 17 10:55 AM
You don't actually think "it's" a mere person, do you? A mere person does not go from being "dead broke and in debt" leaving the White House (Hillary's own words in 2014) to earning $240 million in the last 15 years. It's not called the Clinton Machine for nothing.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 30, 17 7:40 AM
Lower Medicare age to 55! MAGA!
By dfree (693), hampton bays on Mar 28, 17 10:37 AM
As usual, right wing nuts logic, deflect when presented with the obvious and truth. Just like the incompetent boob in the White House you can dish it out, but you can't take it. Drumpf will go down easily as the worst president in history if he makes it through his term.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 28, 17 10:43 AM
to bigfresh:

"Owning a business" isn't underhanded, bigfresh. Construing one's marriage as a "business" for the purpose of avoiding the individual insurance pool IS. Married couples are prohibited from exploiting this finesse of their status so as to avoid every unscrupulous married couple in the United States construing themselves as a "business" (as, for example, by incorporation) in order to qualify for more economical business rates.

The coverage that you object to is the ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 28, 17 10:49 AM
Your insinuation that our 20 year old BUSINESS is nothing more than an attempt to "finesse" our health insurance rate is quite insulting , or to use some lib speak you may be more comfortable with, OFFENSIVE. Care to come to work for me for a day and see what a real business looks like? The work would probably leave you wishing you were back in a safe space, but you're welcome to try.
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 28, 17 12:48 PM
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He could not hack working a day doing what we do and what is our reward ? Twice the price for substandard care. While the lazy subsidized group participant as access to the best hospitals and extra services. This was that arrogant smug narcissist and that nasty thing he called a wifes gift was to Joe the plumber and us.
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Mar 28, 17 1:43 PM
Joe the plumber was too lazy and stupid to have a plumber's license. Remember
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 28, 17 5:41 PM
HHS, do you think it is ok for me to pay 30% more for the healthcare of 12 employees while receiving less coverage than I did before the ACA?


A better question would be is it morally ok to steal from one person to give it another?
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 17 7:47 PM
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High hat is a left wingnuts! MAGA! LOWER MEDICARE AGE TO 55! MAGA! Thanks to Trump! Down with Ryancare, up with Medicare at 55!
By dfree (693), hampton bays on Mar 28, 17 11:22 AM
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And all along we thought you right wingnuts hated socialism. Now you want it. It is to laugh.
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 28, 17 1:54 PM
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Sean Spicer vs. April Ryan: If The President Puts Russian Dressing On His Salad You Say It's A Connection
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Mar 28, 17 7:16 PM
to bigfresh:

Quote:

"Your insinuation that our 20 year old BUSINESS is nothing more than an attempt to "finesse" our health insurance rate is quite insulting ... "
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I made no such "insinuation". What I said, quite clearly, is that you construe your "marriage" to be a "business" for the purpose of avoiding the health insurance premium costs that every other individually insured married couple must pay. The prohibition of ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 28, 17 2:06 PM
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My wife and I own a BUSINESS , a successful 20 year old BUSINESS and pay all applicable taxes , carry requisite insurances and abide by all the rules and regulations pertaining to any other BUSINESS,with me so far? Before Obamacare was rammed through, our BUSINESS belonged to a group of other BUSINESSES and we purchased our health insurance at group rates, still with me? Obamacare changed the definition of what constitutes a BUSINESS , a husband and wife who own a mon and pop BUSINESS , recognized ...more
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 28, 17 3:49 PM
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"If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

-Barak Hussien 0bama
Mar 29, 17 4:43 PM appended by loading...
...and "somebody else" wants to settle up
By loading... (553), quiogue on Mar 28, 17 4:43 PM
Is "the right" actually retarded?

Obama, July 13: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder ...more
Mar 28, 17 8:07 PM appended by Mr. Z
"that" modifies "roads and bridges" a.k.a. infrastructure. We all pay for that, and most of you never filled a pothole, let alone built a highway or bridge. Can't spell, can't use proper grammar, and apparently borderline illiterate too.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 28, 17 8:07 PM
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to bigfresh:

Your ire at having to spend money has blinded you to the REASON that married couples are prohibited from structuring themselves as a business. As I have already explained, for the ACA to work, all individuals must be insured in the same pool, and both the individual mandate and the prohibition against married couples/businesses purchasing insurance from groups are mechanisms to compel every individual to be in that pool. If married couples were permitted to purchase insurance ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 29, 17 1:07 AM
This is still a (nominally) free nation HH and Obamacare strikes directly at the heart of the freedom of the individual. Never before in our history has an individual been forced by the federal government to purchase a product, an incredibly flawed product to boot! Obamacare is doomed to failure by design, opening the door to the liberal's wet dream of single payer health care, an even worse prospect. Rationed care anyone?
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 29, 17 6:57 AM
I am going without insurance since the same think happened to us in January I started saving for my own emergency.the insurance available is crap anyway and Ill be dammed if I help this obamacare succeed.

i moved to this county to be free, and I will NEVER help to make it a socialist government ! I remember from when i was a kid that life and i thank god for the freedoms we have every day.
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Mar 29, 17 7:45 AM
These latest post speaks volumes about this smug man known as HIGHHATSIZE....

"Instead of endlessly bitching about how unfair it is for you to have to spend more money for health insurance than other, “non-marital” businesses, you might consider getting on board graciously for the good of your country and of your 20 million newly insured countrymen"

How dare you ! Once again you try and paint a picture that we are "bitching" about money, when what we are "bitching" ...more
Mar 29, 17 9:49 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
I do not know why they removed the above post from Erin last night but I for one would still love to hear you repley to her post
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Mar 29, 17 9:49 AM
Very well articulated that is exactly what my daughter and he husband are going through right now.

Spot on Erin !
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 29, 17 10:02 AM
thank you, i don't know why it was removed either, sorry its just so frustrating
By Erin 27 E (1180), hampton bays on Mar 29, 17 10:06 AM
to bigfresh:

Quote:

"This is still a (nominally) free nation HH and Obamacare strikes directly at the heart of the freedom of the individual."
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Of course, bigfresh. Your objection to Obamacare is principled, and not a hysterical reaction to its taking MONEY(!!) from your pocket, despite your history of comments herein that suggests the opposite.

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By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 29, 17 3:21 PM
Do you work HH? Do you pay for your own health insurance? Just trying to figure out where your bleeding heat liberal view of life comes from, thanks.
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 29, 17 6:33 PM
"Getting on board graciously" is a bunch of bull. I will ask again, do you think it is orally ok to steal from one person and give to another?
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 30, 17 8:44 PM
No chance the haters will give up their Obama bashing, but as I've posted on many an occasion, this provider is right when she points out it is the insurance companies that are to blame:
RESISTANCE REPORT

Primary care physician: Blame the insurance companies, not Obamacare

POSTED BY: KEVIN WALLACE MARCH 28, 2017

Cathleen London — a primary care physician in Maine — wants Americans to know the real reason why healthcare is still too costly for most people.

London ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 28, 17 3:16 PM
1st protected
2nd protected
Illegal felons being deported,bids being excepted on wall
Incoming pro life SCOTUS
Hillary exposed and convicted for what she was in court of public opinion
Snowflakes melting
Obamacare repel and replace still on the way...

All the rest is icing on the cake

President Trump, for the next 8 years please feel free to put the Icing on thick !

We have the cake and the cake is good!

MAGA
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 28, 17 6:42 PM
Media just woke up after an 8 year hiatus of engaged 24/7 coverup and cheerleading.
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Mar 28, 17 7:18 PM
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Nice try, he's actually accomplished nothing except hastening the demise of our planet. 30,000 gun deaths a year in U.S. (Muslim ban failed)omitted three of the most dangerous countries in bill. No special committee to after Hillary (LIE), failed to repeal healthcare, even while holding a stacked deck. Obama deported more felons. Scotus will turn on Drumpf. What else do you have besides alt-right, alternative facts. Hannity got embarrassed in front of the whole country exposing him for the fraud ...more
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 28, 17 7:56 PM
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The biggest snowflake out there is the orange cheetah orangutan, he can dish it out, but like the child liar-in chief he is, he can't take it.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 28, 17 7:59 PM
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BREXIT! PM Signs Official Letter to Brussels Beginning Britain’s Departure from EU
Mar 28, 17 8:08 PM appended by They call me
Make Britain Great Again
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 28, 17 8:08 PM
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God Bless them, It took courage to stand up to Soros and his Bilderberg masters...I guess the NWO was not counting on Brexit or Trump

MAGA

MBGA
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Mar 28, 17 8:11 PM
Trump's business network reached alleged Russian mobsters

Oren Dorell , USA TODAY Published 5:05 p.m. ET March 28, 2017 | Updated 3 hours ago

To expand his real estate developments over the years, Donald Trump, his company and partners repeatedly turned to wealthy Russians and oligarchs from former Soviet republics — several allegedly connected to organized crime, according to a USA TODAY review of court cases, government and legal documents and an interview with a former ...more
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 28, 17 8:24 PM
Lying sack of ****.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 28, 17 8:25 PM
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Don't worry, it gets better!!!

Here's the Data Republicans Just Allowed ISPs to Sell Without Your Consent
Sam Gustin

Mar 28 2017, 5:43pm

Privacy watchdogs blasted the vote as a brazen GOP giveaway to the broadband industry.

Financial and medical information. Social Security numbers. Web browsing history. Mobile app usage. Even the content of your emails and online chats.

These are among the types of private consumer information that House Republicans ...more
Mar 28, 17 8:32 PM appended by Mr. Z
Looks like the GOP found another entity to sell us out to.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 28, 17 8:32 PM
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So we've had the internet publicly for let's say 30 years... the rules that were passed in 2016 aren't even in place yet. One might ask, how the hell have we survived this long? So essentially, the action keeps things as they are. BFD. The sinister sounds of the action all seem peachy, but it allows Internet provides to more fairly compete with the likes of Google and Facebook... thereby.... wait for it.... helping keep rates lower for the average family.
Mar 28, 17 11:03 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
So essentially the GOP action helps mom, pop, sis and juniior middle class. Something the Democrats want you to think they do, but in actuality almost never do.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 28, 17 11:03 PM
Bull****. It's profit before privacy.

Your personal information belongs to you as an individual, not to the company hired to carry it over a network.

More "right wing" hypocrisy.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 29, 17 5:48 AM
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The 265 members of Congress who sold you out to ISPs, and how much it cost to buy them
136
They betrayed you for chump change

by T.C. Sottek Mar 29, 2017, 8:20am EDT


Republicans in Congress just voted to reverse a landmark FCC privacy rule that opens the door for ISPs to sell customer data. Lawmakers provided no credible reason for this being in the interest of Americans, except for vague platitudes about “consumer choice” and “free markets,” ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 29, 17 10:47 AM
GASP! You mean politicians accept donations as part of being elected? Who knew... let alone... who knew Democrats receive WAY more! Just look at National Institute on Money in State Politics site. Do people really care if their searching results are sold for marketing purposes? Doubtful. They're worried about paying bills and putting food on the table, something Democrats have wged war on for the last eight years.....and possibly the fact that Obama just days before his demise/departure solidified ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 29, 17 12:54 PM
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The software companies who want to sell you a VPN will make out like bandits.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 30, 17 8:46 PM
VPN's don't work?
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Mar 30, 17 8:57 PM
They work just fine, with the occasional exception. However, your average user would find it difficult to set up their own server and network.

By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 31, 17 7:18 AM
Trump sells property listed for $40 million to Russian fertilizer king for $100 million. Trump insists he never met him, in one the biggest real estate deals. Money laundering at it's best.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 29, 17 5:47 AM
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or mayyyybe it was just a real estate purchase
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Mar 29, 17 10:25 AM
That's right overpaid $60 million on list price because he felt charitable. Come out from hiding in your basement and get some fresh air, it'll do your brain some good.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 29, 17 1:49 PM
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2005 was the beginning of the realestate bubble! Buyers were in panic mode overpaying for anything they could get their hands on. I know - I sold my house for way more than I had hoped for that year!
By Taz (560), East Quogue on Mar 29, 17 1:43 PM
Yeah. That's called "froth".
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 29, 17 11:56 PM
You're correct Taz, and to add, bidding wars were commonplace. You only see two data points - the list price and the sold price. Other offers and counter offers never become public record. In my case (also a property in FLA) it was cash buyers from Uruguay who were willing to pay way more than the list price, no questions asked. They just wanted the property and wouldn't let the bidding war that ensued stop them. To quote a source on the original story from the Miami Herald, "“It’s an ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 30, 17 7:49 AM
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“People decide they want something, and they’ll pay a price that doesn’t necessarily correspond to reality.” you know kind of like obamacare
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Mar 30, 17 6:10 PM
to bigfresh:

Quote:

"Do you work HH? Do you pay for your own health insurance? Just trying to figure out where your bleeding heat liberal view of life comes from, thanks."
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Inevitably, the extreme Right-Wing will look for a selfish rationale to explain the every compassionate and conscientious act of a normal person (as this forum's history evinces.)

Psychopaths, never having experienced ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 30, 17 10:02 AM
Once again.....

These latest post speaks volumes about this smug man known as HIGHHATSIZE....

"Instead of endlessly bitching about how unfair it is for you to have to spend more money for health insurance than other, “non-marital” businesses, you might consider getting on board graciously for the good of your country and of your 20 million newly insured countrymen"

How dare you ! Once again you try and paint a picture that we are "bitching" about money, when ...more
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 30, 17 1:40 PM
Answer the girl and stop avoiding the post already
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 30, 17 1:41 PM
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Its ok dan I'm not even interested in hearing the vile opinion of an over aged over opinionated academic with a superhero complex.

ever one can spot a ny times liberal at the cocktail party by his stuffed shirt.

he will never know whats best for us. his opinion is in the minority validated by the fact that our candidates won there elections to spite his egocentric predictions that both bishop and clinton would prevail.
By Erin 27 E (1180), hampton bays on Mar 30, 17 2:15 PM
Project much HH? Psychopath? Really? You are truly delusional, oh pompous one truly delusional. Now about my query -----------
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 30, 17 4:09 PM
Wow Erin you really seem to have small pants size stumped. Its taking him quite a while to do his usual DNC and Huff Post research to try and find a bs reason why your wrong.
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Mar 30, 17 6:13 PM
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~ giggle ~
By Erin 27 E (1180), hampton bays on Mar 30, 17 6:19 PM
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to Erin 27 E:

Let's dispose of the outright lies in your post first:

I disagree STRONGLY with the Right-Wing Likud government of Israel continuing its occupation of 2200 sq. miles of Muslim Palestinian land in the face of condemnation by every civilized nation on earth and every international organization devoted to peace and justice. I condemn with equal intensity its construction of settlements (for 400,000 Jews to date) on some of that stolen Muslim land. These predatory land-grabbing ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 30, 17 6:50 PM
Wow Erin you succeeded to unravel and expose (small pants size) lol more than the best of us have in years,

Nice Job !

MAGA
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 30, 17 7:24 PM
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Sorry good fellow but I cant resist calling you this at least once.

Small Pants Size said : "I disagree STRONGLY with the Right-Wing Likud government of Israel continuing its occupation of 2200 sq. miles of Muslim Palestinian land "

Sorry again but wars as well as elections do have consequences...
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 30, 17 7:32 PM
Obamacare is dead O Pompous One, thank God. No surprise that the left hasn't yet realized it, still in shock over the election I suppose. Carry on, Huffing Puffington Post is calling you.
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 30, 17 7:44 PM
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Trump’s five hundred million dollar “increase” to battle the opioid epidemic is actually part of spending already scheduled by Obama administration.

A serial liar, and apparently a master at thieving intellectual property.
Mar 30, 17 8:59 PM appended by Mr. Z
Drain the swamp, and fill the cesspool.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Mar 30, 17 8:59 PM
the Drumpf real estate deal wasn't about a bidding war. it was about the Russian fertilizer king getting $100 million out of Russia and away from Putin. Money laundering at it's best. The orange cheetoh trained on money laundering when owning casinos.Anybody seen Atlantic City lately, the infrastructure champion (orange orangatan) is a big part of that mess.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 31, 17 5:56 AM
As in the case of two Uruguay business men who overly paid and in cash for my property, why is that Donald Trump's problem if a Russian fertilizer king wants to get $100 million out of Russia??
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 31, 17 7:31 AM
It wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't potus. I guess we'll see how this all plays out with Trump's relationship with Russia.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Mar 31, 17 9:11 AM
Why would anyone be surprised that Zeldin would support a plan that would remove healthcare coverage from 24 million Americans while at the exact same time give millionaires and billionaires huge tax cuts, Zeldin's plan to replace the ACA with TrumpCare would have a devastating impact on low-income seniors on the End End and women in general.
By citykid (11), east quogue on Mar 31, 17 6:52 AM
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I'm even more surprised ANYONE would support a plan (Obamacare) that was sold as something it wasn't, lied to in the process at the highest levels, legislated by the SCOTUS, creating countless thousands of part-time employees rather than full time, unrealistic deductible levels, limited doctors, paid for off the backs of the young and healthy, mandated and now confirmed as destined to implode under its own weight.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Mar 31, 17 9:09 AM
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to Snerdley:

Quote:

"I'm even more surprised ANYONE would support a plan (Obamacare) that was sold as something it wasn't, lied to in the process at the highest levels, legislated by the SCOTUS, creating countless thousands of part-time employees rather than full time, unrealistic deductible levels, limited doctors, paid for off the backs of the young and healthy, mandated and now confirmed as destined to implode under its own weight."
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Learn ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 31, 17 9:40 AM
Do you work O Pompous One? Do you pay for your own health insurance?
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Mar 31, 17 11:34 AM
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Why do the two of you even engage with this character so much this ideologue who guaranteed that Trump had no path to 270 electoral votes.

Then Trump got 306 electoral votes.

The guy who said Oh, and by the way, the latest average-of-all-polls has Hillary up by 5.8% (with a bullet.)

It's OVER. I realize that posting repetitive, baseless allegations disparaging Hillary and everyone who has ever been associated with her relieves y'alls' stress, but did you ever consider ...more
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 31, 17 4:11 PM
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Joe's right his long record of mis prediction make him the laughing stock of this community

Considering his appalling poll numbers, do you suppose that The Donald could be convinced, for patriotic reasons, to concede the race in advance of the election? It would save so much divisive antagonism and expense. If not, his candidacy is, at least, free entertainment that "I", certainly, am enjoying.

What a satisfying experience this political season is proving to be!

Calm ...more
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 31, 17 4:29 PM
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Oh my word, Just to much fun . I for one am so glad you guys saved those fantastic predicktions made by the self proclaimed wonder brain.
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Mar 31, 17 4:42 PM
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to bigfresh:

Quote:

"Do you work O Pompous One? Do you pay for your own health insurance?"
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I don't answer presumptuous requests for personal information from strangers. However, since you evidently think that such questions are appropriate, how about telling us all the name of the business that you and your wife run.
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Mar 31, 17 8:13 PM
TRUMP / PENCE MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN !

Isn't it a wonderful day!
Mar 31, 17 9:58 PM appended by They call me
Calm ... down, boy. Its been a few months since your historic electoral defeat. It should be just a bad memory by now and you can direct your energies towards 2020. Good luck with that. - MAGA!
By They call me (2623), southampton on Mar 31, 17 9:58 PM
!
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Mar 31, 17 11:16 PM
Don't fret left, only 3 years and 9 months to go. Plenty of time left to get over it.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Apr 1, 17 12:57 PM
You won"t disclose whether you work or pay for your health insurance? I have been forthcoming in disclosing my situation regarding both. In order to comment with a modicum of credibility, you shoul have some skin in the game, a quote from your favorite community organizer Barsk Hussein Obama. If you don"t pay your own way, your perspective will obviously be skewed .
By bigfresh (4171), north sea on Apr 1, 17 4:15 PM
to bigfresh:

Quote:

"You won"t disclose whether you work or pay for your health insurance? I have been forthcoming in disclosing my situation regarding both. In order to comment with a modicum of credibility, you shoul have some skin in the game, a quote from your favorite community organizer Barsk Hussein Obama. If you don"t pay your own way, your perspective will obviously be skewed ."
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It is unsurprising that you choose to take ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Apr 2, 17 8:15 AM
Hows this for healthcare:

Islamic State Throws Iraqi Man Accused of Homosexuality from Rooftop

The Islamic State organization recently published pictures of the “sentencing” of a man suspected of homosexuality.
The organization’s headquarters in Iraq’s Nineveh district said in a statement that it carried out the provisions of Shariah Islamic law against men who are guilty of “the transgression of homosexuality.”
By They call me (2623), southampton on Apr 2, 17 10:04 AM
For those of you who missed the fine details of this video, notice the mob at the bottom waiting with stones the size of bricks to hurl to ensure this "evil gay man" dies for his "crimes"

And the liberals want to let these people into the EU and US without screening? The fleeing Christians should be given priority as real refugees and part of the screening should require reciting the our father, eating a piece of bacon and downing a shot of vodka.
By Ditch Bum (741), Water Mill on Apr 2, 17 10:12 AM
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The "Good Book" prescribes stoning as a punishment for many things.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Apr 2, 17 12:28 PM
Your not well are you ?
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 2, 17 9:24 PM
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I am quite well.

I think you fail to realize not only the power of the mob, you forget how ignorant "your" people once were. Not only that, but you fail to recognize it in others.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Apr 2, 17 11:03 PM
Michael Flynn Failed to Disclose Payments From Russian Propaganda Network

The former National Security Advisor’s financial disclosure forms made no mention of payments from a Russian state-run media network.

Lachlan Markay
04.01.17 2:37 PM ET
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Apr 2, 17 1:14 PM
Adam Schiff: There Is No "Definitive" Proof Of Any Trump-Russia Connection
Posted By Tim Hains
On Date April 2, 2017

Adam Schiff: There Is No "Definitive" Proof Of Any Trump-Russia Connection
On Sunday's edition of 'State of the Union' on CNN, House Intelligence Committee top Democrat Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) explained that so far his investigation has turned up no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion in the 2016 election.
Apr 2, 17 9:33 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Ignatius: Trump "Wiretap" Claim Has Started A Legitimate Conversation
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Apr 2, 17 9:33 PM
Perhaps he does not inherently related to office.

Does his "cabal"?

Man, that's the reverse of "print". Odd habit keystroke, eh?
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Apr 2, 17 10:43 PM
“I call 17 Republicans and say, ‘You know better,’” Biden said, while speaking at the University of Pennsylvania. “Nine of them said to me, ‘You’re right Joe, but I can’t do anything about it because if I do the Koch brothers or somebody is going to drop $5 million into my race and I’ll lose my primary.’”
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Apr 2, 17 1:41 PM
Some take-aways from today's reading... Level of corruption, conflicts of interest. and evil almost beyond comprehension. Even Ann Coulter expressing buyer's remorse.

James Baker, Condoleeza Rice, Bob Gates all lobbied for Tillerson b/c all have Exxon financial ties.

Even Guiliani has Russian connections: his firm represented Rosneft.

Trump, his backers (since the '80's), and Putin share a common global agenda to destabilize the EU, install LePen, remove Merkel. ...more
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 2, 17 3:46 PM
Oh, and the lying, crooked Thief-in-Chief is on the golf course again. Does this Father of the Year ever see his young son, much less spend time with him?
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 2, 17 3:58 PM
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Trump takes up health care with Rand Paul, on golf course Always working for the people even on a Sunday

TRUMP / PENCE

MAGA
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 2, 17 9:24 PM
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Anybody (especially Fake News media) who thinks that Repeal & Replace of ObamaCare is dead does not know the love and strength in R Party!
8:56 AM - 2 Apr 2017

Make a deal with the Freedom Caucus and DUMP! RYAN!
By Undocumented Democrat (1895), southampton on Apr 2, 17 9:30 PM
#FILL THE CESSPOOL
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Apr 2, 17 10:38 PM
Ever see him in church since the inauguration. You really didn't think the p**** grabber, child liar-in-chief was actually religious, did you. You all didn't buy that too? Phony carnival barker playing at government apprentice is all he'll ever be.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Apr 3, 17 9:09 AM
People who hate government are going to use government to improve our lives thereby making the government they hate look good? Takes a special kind of stupid 1) to have such an expectation, and 2) to think trump is "working for the people".
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 3, 17 10:24 AM
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Republicans don't "hate" government, they simply want it to function within the bounds established within our Constitutional framework.

If your anology is accurate, how can anyone expect leftists like you to do what's in the best interests of a nation you characterize as illegitimately founded by slaveowners, stolen from Indians, and the preeminent source of racism/sexism/misogyny not to mention warmongering and environmental crimes?

It would seem you would strive to destroy this ...more
By ChrisDiPetta (35), on Apr 3, 17 11:13 AM
"You characterize"?
I beg your pardon. It is you who has characterized the shameful reality of aspects of our early history in your first paragraph, and you attribute those citations to me? Your projection is showing, sir.

What is also characterized in this disgusting post is your hatred and racism.

And yes, Republicans despise government until it becomes useful to them as a tool to enrich the already enriched, or to strip women of control over their own bodies.
By June Bug (2369), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 3, 17 11:50 AM
#DRAIN NORTH SEA
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Apr 2, 17 10:42 PM
Well, it'd be easier to drain and process poison.
Apr 2, 17 10:44 PM appended by Mr. Z
#PETROLEUM
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Apr 2, 17 10:44 PM
#GET WITH THE PROGRAM
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Apr 3, 17 8:43 AM
#DRAIN NORTH SEA
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Apr 2, 17 10:42 PM
Drain North Sea???!!! U may not like Z, but u could try a lil more class with your comment there Snerdley.

#NorthSea#Proud!
By toes in the water (758), southampton on Apr 3, 17 7:42 AM
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Settle down toes, it's only sarcasm.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Apr 3, 17 8:41 AM
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"So it's a nonpartisan problem."

Garson O'Toole
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Apr 3, 17 12:23 AM
So do you fancy yourself as the Joker now Z ? It really does seem like you are losing your grip on reallity as of late.

If you were chased into a plane factory, and they manage to capture every member of your gang. I bet you think you are the only one that is smart enough to avoid being captured and fly away. ;)

By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Apr 3, 17 1:30 AM
Or you're​ just an ***hat.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Apr 3, 17 12:17 PM
Drain North Sea? I wonder if Mr. Snerdlely has even been there? It's impossible to drain that lovely spot. Besides the newbie is uneducated as to what would help our country. I don't see any constructive action here.
By summertimegal (93), southampton on Apr 3, 17 10:50 AM
Agreed.

Actually due to some software glitch I have been unable to change my avatar for some time. But Joe knows everything so it's cool.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Apr 3, 17 12:12 PM
Perpetually stuck in Detective comics # 69... Ironic

I never calmed to know everything... There are at least a half a dozen opportunity's to learn something new each day.

I am assuming you would have tried to upload more than one new image and that the attempted new avatars were non PNG. Have you tried to install a new image using a different browser?
By joe hampton (3302), The Hamptons on Apr 4, 17 12:06 AM
Irony is one of the things which makes uncertainty worth living for.

Perhaps the best lesson of all the fables is it's best not to interfere out of fear. It really wasn't Oedipus' fault, was it?

Take a harder look at your world.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Apr 4, 17 11:26 PM
Lower Medicare age to 55. Then health insurance gets much cheaper for everyone else, especially if you charge obese smokers more for insurance, like life insurance does. Pay for it by cutting defense spending in half, that would still have us spending more than China.
By dfree (693), hampton bays on Apr 3, 17 12:31 PM
RUSSIA SUBWAY BLAST... DEVELOPING...

10+ DEAD...

50 INJURED...

ISIS CELEBRATES...

We should offer to help in anyway possible since we have a common enemy and allot in cowmen with the Russian people
Apr 3, 17 2:46 PM appended by 27dan
We should offer to help in anyway possible since we have a common enemy and a lot in common with the Russian people
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 3, 17 2:46 PM
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Radical Muslims want to kill you. Liberals want to make sure they have the opportunity.

Do the math,

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim.
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims.
The Fort Hood shooter was a Muslim.
The USS Cole bombers were Muslims.
The "Underwear Bomber" was a Muslim.
The Madrid train bombers were Muslims.
The Times Square bomber was a Muslim.
The Bali nightclub bombers were Muslims.
The London subway bombers were Muslims...
The Moscow theater ...more
By Erin 27 E (1180), hampton bays on Apr 3, 17 2:59 PM
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Bit by Bit, Trump Methodically Undoing Obama Policies
Donald Trump
WASHINGTON (AP) — Amid the turmoil over staff shake-ups, blocked travel bans and the Russia cloud hanging overhead, President Donald Trump is steadily plugging away at a major piece of his agenda: Undoing Obama.

Not tired of winning yet...

MAGA Baby!!!

Witness the differences in the decisions between a Communist and a Capitalist.
Barack Hussein Osama II was giving America away.
Trump ...more
Apr 3, 17 2:54 PM appended by 27dan
110% behind the first Deplorable President!!!
By 27dan (2635), Shinnecock Hills on Apr 3, 17 2:54 PM
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