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Jul 15, 2014 12:54 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Bishop, Zeldin Gear Up For Rematch In November

Jul 15, 2014 3:30 PM

With primary races wrapping up last month, the table has been set for the November elections—and New York’s 1st Congressional District boasts a familiar match-up, as Republican Lee Zeldin will once again challenge Democratic incumbent Tim Bishop of Southampton.

Mr. Bishop and Mr. Zeldin ran against each other in 2008 for the right to represent the district, which encompasses most of Suffolk County, including the entire East End. Mr. Bishop routed Mr. Zeldin in that go-around, finishing with more than 58 percent of the vote, compared to Mr. Zeldin’s 41.6 percent.

However, this year’s election could prove to be more challenging for the six-term congressman, as Mr. Zeldin, who has spent the past four years as a state senator representing New York’s 3rd District out of Shirley, boasts more name recognition, and perhaps a little more polish, than he did when he burst onto the scene as a political newcomer in 2008.

Mr. Zeldin, who also is running on the Conservative Party line, also has the benefit of being on the ticket that stands opposite of President Barack Obama—often a boon for congressional hopefuls during midterm elections, when voters’ dissatisfaction with government often is directed at the sitting president and his party.

Mr. Zeldin, 34, an attorney and major in the U.S. Army Reserve, partially blames his 47,000-vote margin of defeat on the wave of Democratic support that Mr. Obama had inspired during his first run for office against Mr. Bishop in 2008, something Mr. Zeldin said will not be a factor this time around.

“For one, 2008 was a different political year,” Mr. Zeldin said. “Barack Obama was at the height of his popularity, surging into office. There was a lot of [George W.] Bush fatigue, a lot of Iraq War fatigue. The economy was just starting to fall out weeks before the election. There was a lot that was out of our control in races across the country.

“As far as me as a candidate,” he continued, “I started that race with no name recognition and no donors. We started at zero.”

A Costly Primary

Name recognition has become less of an issue for Mr. Zeldin, who, despite securing the endorsement of the Suffolk County Republicans in February, still had to weather a rugged primary challenge from George Demos, a mostly self-funded candidate from Stony Brook.

While that contest may have gotten Mr. Zeldin’s name out there earlier than expected, thanks in large part to attack ads, it also required his campaign to shell out quite a bit from his war chest—$584,983, to be exact. That added expense has left him with just $149,610 as of June 4, according to the Federal Election Commission’s website, www.fec.gov.

In contrast, Mr. Bishop has more than $800,000 in cash on hand, according to the same website, and is confident that his track record and his ideology will carry him to a seventh term in office.

Mr. Bishop, who also is running on the Working Families and Independence party lines, points to Mr. Zeldin’s opposition to the Troubled Assets Relief Program, or TARP, commonly referred to as the Wall Street bailout of 2008, as an example of his shortsightedness. During their first race, the two debated whether the federal government should spend $700 billion to address the sub-prime mortgage crisis.

“It turns out he was spectacularly wrong,” Mr. Bishop said of his opponent. “TARP worked, it put the economy back on track, and the [U.S.] Treasury has actually turned a profit on it.

“He is a conservative with very radical ideas that are not in line with the voters of the 1st District,” Mr. Bishop continued. “I think he was a Tea Partier before there was a Tea Party. The majority of people in the district share the more mainstream views that I have.”

A Southampton native, Mr. Bishop, 64, attended the College of the Holy Cross in Massachusetts and Long Island University before beginning his career at Southampton College in 1973, where he started as an admissions counselor and worked his way up to provost, a position he held until he was elected to Congress in 2002.

Meanwhile, Mr. Zeldin has a bachelor’s degree from SUNY at Albany and a law degree from the Albany Law School.

In 2004, when he was 23, Mr. Zeldin passed the New York State Bar, becoming the state’s youngest attorney at the time. After completing Army Reserve Officer Training Corps program in law school, he joined the U.S. Army as a 2nd lieutenant in 2004, entering the Military Intelligence Corps. In 2006, he was deployed to Iraq as a member of the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division.

A Close Race?

Early indications have Mr. Bishop with a slight advantage, as the Cook Political Report, an independent, non-partisan organization that has been analyzing federal elections and political trends for the past 30 years, categorizes the district as leaning Democratic. However, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee included Mr. Bishop on its list of vulnerable incumbents, and other independent groups have the district among the most competitive in the country this fall.

The November race also promises to feature high levels of outside spending from 501(c)(4) organizations, commonly referred to as Super PACs, which are allowed limitless spending as long as they have no direct connection with a candidate or campaign, thanks to a January 2010 ruling known as Citizens United.

During the Republican primary election, New York’s 1st Congressional District saw the fifth-most independent expenditures in the country, with nearly $1.9 million in Super PAC spending. Roughly $1.47 million of that went to attack Mr. Zeldin.

The previous two primary seasons in the district, 2010 and 2012, saw no independent expenditures, according to www.fec.gov.

However, independent expenditures rose sharply in the November races between the 2010 election, when they were at $1.08 million, and 2012, when they skyrocketed to almost $5.5 million.

Health Care Tops Issues

Perhaps the biggest issue of the 2014 election cycle thus far has been the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. Republicans have used the health insurance expansion legislation as a means of drumming up opposition to President Obama and the Democratically controlled U.S. Senate.

While some Democratic incumbents have tried to disassociate with Obamacare following the botched rollout of the health care exchange website, www.healthcare.gov, last fall, and anemic early enrollment rates, Mr. Bishop has remained unwavering in his support of the initiative.

“The evidence is mounting that the Affordable Care Act is actually working,” he said. “More people than anticipated have signed up for it, and those who have enrolled are paying a fair price. The cost of actual delivery of health care is at its lowest mark in nearly 50 years.”

According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a California-based nonprofit that specializes in health care policy and education, 370,451 of the 707,638 New Yorkers eligible for a health insurance plan on the state-run marketplace had enrolled in one as of April.

Mr. Bishop also criticizes Republicans—particularly those in the House of Representatives, who have voted more than 50 times to repeal or de-fund all or part of the Affordable Care Act—for not having a viable alternative. But Mr. Zeldin said there are a bevy of Republican-sponsored alternatives that are gaining traction in Washington, D.C., although he declined to put his support behind any one in particular, not wanting to shortchange any others that might ultimately have a better chance of passing.

“There are several bills, and I wouldn’t want to say that one of the bills is the only bill that I’d be open-minded to supporting,” he said. “I would be open to supporting all the bills. I just want to have the opportunity to work with colleagues to make sure there is a good component for one of the other bills that isn’t left out because it isn’t in another bill.”

Debating Immigration

Another hotly contested issue is immigration reform, which both candidates agree should be a priority of the next Congress.

Mr. Bishop supports Senate Bill 744, which was introduced by New York Senator Charles Schumer in May 2013 and passed by the Senate last summer. Mr. Bishop is a co-sponsor of the bill in the House and thinks it is the best way to handle the multifaceted issue of immigration on several fronts, including toughening border security, as well as improving the visa system and providing a path to citizenship for individuals who are already in the United States, particularly those born here to immigrant parents or brought to the country at a young age.

“I support what the Senate did—it was bipartisan, and I am a co-sponsor of the same legislation in the House, although slightly modified, to increase border security,” Mr. Bishop said. “It’s a good bill, and the Republican leadership in the House should recognize that.”

Mr. Bishop said he does not believe the House leadership will allow the bill to see the floor before the end of the current Congress, and he is skeptical of it making it any more headway in the next Congress unless House leadership changes.

Mr. Zeldin counters that he does not think the Senate bill adequately addresses the issue of immigration, and he would like to seek out other options once in office.

“It doesn’t actually solve the problem,” he said. “There is an urgent need to secure our borders—this is a very real issue that must be addressed, and it is absolutely impossible to fix any of the other issues if we don’t secure the entry process.”

While he said he has compassion for those who have come to the United States seeking a better life, Mr. Zeldin said he does not think that those who have come here illegally should be able to sidestep those seeking to immigrate legally. He also said he’d like to explore options for retaining individuals who come to the United States for school and obtain an advanced degree.

When it comes to his opponent, Mr. Zeldin maintains that Mr. Bishop has been in lockstep with the Obama administration and argues that he, instead, would be able to act as a check on the president’s agenda, if elected in November.

“He voted to create Obamacare, he has been fiercely loyal to a president that is taking our country in the wrong direction, and I’m looking forward to having a debate to talk about how to best run the country,” Mr. Zeldin said of his opponent.

Mr. Bishop dismissed the criticism, noting that Randy Altschuler, who lost both of his bids to unseat the congressman in 2010 and 2012, tried the same strategy—“It’s standard Republican talking point,” he said dismissively. Mr. Bishop insists that he supports President Obama when he is acting in the best interests of the 1st Congressional District, and opposes him when he does not. Specifically, he cited examples when he did not support President Obama, including the funding of charter schools, as well as the inclusion of provisions under the Affordable Care Act, such as medical device taxes, as examples of things Mr. Obama supports that he does not.

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Odd not one word about Bishop being called "one of the most corrupt" Congressman, or the FBI investigation into PLoverGate (agents were in Southampton) or the OCE report that concluded Bishop did a campaign favor in exchange for a huge donation. I guess those little tidbits aren't newsworthy to a newspaper with an agenda.
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Jul 18, 14 8:32 AM
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This "news" organization reports when Bishop pets a kitten, so never count on them for a clean story.
By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on Jul 18, 14 8:47 PM
Being a crook in DC goes with the territory. What do you have to do to NOT get relected take pictures of your privates and sext them to random women?
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 18, 14 10:30 AM
Same - o', same - o'

Zeldin objects to Bishop's support of the PPACA and the Democratic efforts at border security without proposing an alternative.

"'There are several bills, and I wouldn’t want to say that one of the bills is the only bill that I’d be open-minded to supporting,” he said."

Give us a break, Mr. Zeldin, what alternative national health insurance program do YOU support? Would you vote more MONEY to actually SECURE the border?

In ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Jul 18, 14 10:51 AM
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The dems polices have been doing a far better job than Randy of kicking americans out of jobs and eroding the middle class.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 18, 14 11:07 AM
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Alan Greenspan - Republican
Wendy Gramm - Republican
Phil Gramm - Republican
Donald Regan- Republican
Abby Cohen - Republican
Maurice "Hank" Greenberg- Republican
William J. Clinton - Democrat
Robert Rubin - Republican
Lawrence "Larry" Summers - Democrat
Joe Cassano - Republican

I think maybe you might get the picture...
Richard "Dick" Fuld -Republican
Jul 19, 14 3:54 PM appended by Mr. Z
Ronald Regan - Republican
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 18, 14 3:54 PM
Z, Why you gotta call him Dick? :)
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 18, 14 8:05 PM
save your time and money-Bishop wins
By westhamptonboy (227), Westhampton on Jul 18, 14 12:22 PM
You don't throw more money at a system that doesn't work. We are woefully inept at policing our borders because we don't punish illegal immigrants when we do find them here.
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Jul 18, 14 3:03 PM
Philathrone, assuming you are not a Bishop employee, perhaps you should read the Office of ongressional Ethics report.
"There is a substantial reason to believe that a violation of House rules, standards of conduct and federal law occurred.”
Did Randy write that?
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Jul 18, 14 3:05 PM

“He voted to create Obamacare, he has been fiercely loyal to a president that is taking our country in the wrong direction, and I’m looking forward to having a debate to talk about how to best run the country,” Mr. Zeldin said of his opponent.
+++

Interested to hear that, Mr. Zeldin.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jul 18, 14 4:48 PM
seniority in congress is very important-re-elect Bishop if you care about the east end
By westhamptonboy (227), Westhampton on Jul 18, 14 7:41 PM
The dems have already calculated that they have no one in the wings that could win, otherwise Bishop would be history (with some high paying "job").

They will hold off the findings on the ethics issue, which everyone knows blows Bishop out.

Until there is no hope that the long shot happens, he goes on.

If he gets re-elected. Then the findings come out, Bishop has to resign and Cuomo gets to appoint another dem.

He lacks character, he is on his knees in a split ...more
By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on Jul 18, 14 8:39 PM
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Tim Bishop has provided excellent representation for the East End of Long Island. He works hard for his constituents and he cares. I will be supporting Bishop again!
Go Bishop!!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Jul 18, 14 11:54 PM
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Rubber stamp for Barak Hussein Obama's regime, saddled with ethics charges VS a SMALL government state senator who gets things done. Easy choice.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Jul 20, 14 8:58 AM
At least the nomination of Lee Zeldin indicates that the Suffolk County Republican Party is recovering its sanity after nominating a job-exporting greedhead TWICE!

That being said, Tim Bishop's record of service is outstanding, and one cannot help but note that the Zeldin camp refrains from any substantive challenge of Bishop's success therein. (Google "Tim Bishop projects map" for an overview of his extraordinary effectiveness in funding district needs.) Rather, it repeatedly trots out ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Jul 20, 14 10:52 AM
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I've said it before and I say it again -- if Lee Zeldin wants to fight this election out on health care, he'll lose. People can see that Obamacare is working, and mindless attacks on it just make a guy look pigheaded and stupid. Tim Bishop bet on the success of the Affordable Care Act, and he's winning his bet.

If Mr. Zeldin wants to go with immigration, he might have a better shot, what with all the Fortress America bigots we have around here, but it's risky, for two reasons. One, people ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jul 20, 14 1:01 PM
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to Captn America:

So, you are COMPLAINING that Tim is successful in bringing federal money into our district? Will your man abjure it? Then he should SAY SO.

The extreme Right-Wing will never tire of beating the dead horse of the Semlear incident. Those of us who are parents see a doting father foolishly putting one of his children in a position that exceeded her competency, and then, REFUSING TO CRITICIZE HER when she erred. Some of us LIKE him for that even as we shake our ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Jul 21, 14 9:49 AM
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Our great nation is IN DEBT HH, why the hell do we need to send L'il Tim back to DC to dig the hole deeper?! Enough is enough.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Jul 21, 14 5:53 PM
to bigfresh:

Well, hell, bigfresh, put your money where your mouth is and return all the cash that you get from the federal government. You might start by refusing your Social Security check and Medicare health coverage, stand-up guy that you are!

Or, we could raise taxes to cover your goodies before they drive us to insolvency.
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Jul 21, 14 6:11 PM
I don't get cash from the Federal Govt. HH, for your education, it's OUR MONEY in the SS system, confiscated from us, same with Medicare.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Jul 21, 14 6:32 PM
to Captn America & bigfresh:

Hear, hear! When will your candidate, Zeldin, articulate his plan for decreasing the amount of money that the district receives from the federal government? Will he be designating the specific programs he expects to de-fund (dredging, coastal erosion remediation and road construction/repair come to mind?)

It is refreshing to find a candidate who is ideologically faithful no matter what dire consequences his philosophical adherence inflicts on his ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Jul 22, 14 12:27 PM
By the time I'm old enough to be eligible for SS and Medicare, both of those programs will be bankrupt! As to the Sin of Onan, you sound like a regular practitioner , it also describes your attempts to be intellectually superior, keep on spankin!
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Jul 22, 14 4:27 PM
Wrong as usual.

Polly want a cracker?
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 22, 14 9:36 PM
Cracka please.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 23, 14 7:56 PM
It's solvent until at least 2037. Which is when the last of Gen X would "retire".
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 23, 14 11:30 PM
I think Richard foster who served a medicare's actuary might have a different opinion. You should read up on him and get informed. He was a straight shooter who didn't BS you.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 24, 14 11:03 PM
The Trustees report is pretty comprehensive, including returns on investment, and of course the 2.7 trillion Reagan and those that followed him stole from Social Security.

Gross debt is not public debt. Public debt is actually around 12 trillion, which is minus intragovernmental debt, and Social Security is the largest owner of Treasury Securities. Period. China holds a paltry 1.3 trillion or so versus Social Security's 2.7 trillion.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 24, 14 11:17 PM
SS is more solvent than Medicare but neither picture is rosy. I like how you singled out Reagon. He was president over 25 years ago
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 25, 14 12:38 PM
Yeah, and as a matter of fact it was his and Greenspan's idea for regressive "revenue enhancements". You should really try to make cause and effect, as well as history one of your strong points. It could only help.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 25, 14 12:58 PM
We have had a democrat sitting in the White House for 16 of the last 24 years. During some of that tenure the democrats have controlled the house and then senate. Reagan was president over 25 years ago. I think you get my point.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Jul 25, 14 4:04 PM
to Captn America:

Well thanks, Captn America, for designating the programs that YOU think are "good" and worthy of funding. Perhaps Zeldin will make a list, per your example, of those currently funded federal programs in the 1st District that he will continue and those that he will abort.

to bigfresh:

Like every Right-Wing extremist that I have ever known, you want it both ways. You decry the government's providing support for people who haven't "earned" it while refusing ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Jul 23, 14 9:19 AM
to Captn America:

Dear me, all I did was ask your candidate to post a list of the ongoing "UN-important" federal programs (by his and your estimation) in our district that he would eliminate. Nonetheless, "I", and every other resident of the 1st Congressional District, are glad to read your assurance that dredging, coastal erosion remediation and road construction/repair are NOT on his list for, or ARE they? We haven't seen his list. Since the economies that he intends to initiate are ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Jul 23, 14 11:06 AM
Search for the "The Naked Communist" 1958.... you can download the book for free in pdf format. Around page 401 you will see the 45 steps to implement socialism in the USA.
can't believe what is going on in this country. chilling.
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 24, 14 5:51 AM
) Carried out military interventionism in Libya without Congressional approval

In June 2011, U.S. Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) said that Obama had violated the Constitution when he launched military operations in Libya without Congressional approval.

In April 2014, Ralph Nader said that Obama should be impeached for his actions in Libya.

2) Gave a no-bid contract to Halliburton cronies – just like Bush did

In May 2010, it was reported that the Obama ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Jul 23, 14 5:57 PM
21) Fired Inspector General for discovering that Obama’s friend had embezzled government funds

In June 2009, Obama fired Inspector General Gerald Walpin, after Walpin accused Sacramento mayor Kevin Johnson, an Obama supporter, of misuse of AmeriCorps funding to pay for school-board political activities. In a letter to Congress, the White House said that Walpin was fired because he was “confused, disoriented, unable to answer questions and exhibited other behavior that led the ...more
Jul 24, 14 1:02 AM appended by They call me
30) Rewarded his fundraisers by giving them federal jobs Although Obama had promised to have “the most sweeping ethics reform in history,” and had often criticized the role of money in politics, the truth is that after he was elected, he gave administration jobs to more than half of his 47 biggest fundraisers.
By They call me (2795), southampton on Jul 24, 14 1:02 AM
Isn't it simply amazing how no Republican, or self styled "conservative" whined, complained, or bitched up such a storm about D.C. culture and politics when their hero Regan was president? Bechtel, Iran Contra, HUD grant fixing, the list is long, You all should have known THEN the inherent cultural dysfunction and cronyism in Washington, yet little, or NOTHING was done. You should read TARP Special inspector General (SIGTARP) Neil Barofsky's "Bailout" if you haven't.

The entrenched culture ...more
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 24, 14 7:12 AM
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31) Ignored constitutional requirements for appointees

In February 2009, U.S. Senator Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia) expressed concern that Obama’s dozens of czars might violate the U.S. Constitution, because they were not approved by the U.S. Senate. U.S. Senator Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin) expressed a similar concern in September 2009.

32) Gave tax dollars to corrupt private contractors to build 504 units of mice infested, slum housing, with backed up sewage

While ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Jul 24, 14 7:46 AM
Reading about my friends being confronted by gang Hispanic gang members this week. When are you going to elect some one to fix the problems with lawlessness and illegals roaming the streets of Southampton? Why arent the police required to enforce the laws? Are the elected officials that weak willed? I guess you get what you deserved. Glad my children aren't growing up there.
By Baymen87 (133), Lugoff, SC on Jul 24, 14 10:08 AM
to Captn America:

Your shameless duplicity simply knows no bottom. Aware of the damnation of Zeldin's candidacy that a listing of the federal benefits that he proposes to TAKE AWAY from his constituents would bring, you REFUSE to name any, and feebly attempt to misdirect readers' attention by a rote complaint of the federal deficit. Do you take us for fools? We all noticed.

If you are proud of the economies your candidate will enforce upon 1st District residents, post them!
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Quote:

"[D]amn ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Jul 24, 14 10:29 AM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"Many of Zeldin's positions are already publicly available." - Captn. America, July 23, 2014 7:22 PM

"Rather than what-if a candidate at this very early stage of an election and TO-BE-IDENTIFIED POSITIONS. ... " - Captn. America, July 24, 14 11:41 AM (emphasis added)
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Congratulations on breaking the 27east record for backtracking, a little ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Jul 24, 14 3:48 PM
What a steaming pile of bovine excrement HH. Your pompous , verbose style is positively inane. Good day sir.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Jul 24, 14 4:24 PM
Perhaps President Obama might consider it his duty to act presidential, even if it is just acting. He could acknowledge that Americans find it comforting and appropriate for their president to be present in a crisis, let alone during many at once, and not simply speaking to a bank of cameras stationed outside some incongruous setting, where he is conducting far less important presidential work far from the White House.
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 24, 14 4:28 PM
Right wing rhetoric?
General perception is the world is going to hell and the POTUS is playing golf. obama was fathered by a Muslim, given a Muslim name, raised in a Muslim country by a Muslim step-father. He attended a Muslim school.
Only an idiot would think that his sympathies lie anywhere, but with Muslims. He hates Israel along with most Muslims. What a shame America has so many ignorant, people that made a progressive far left community organizer, President and every day we see the ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Jul 24, 14 9:16 PM
Nice try but I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt everything I said is 100% True along with the obamas own book jacket that said "Barack Hussein Obama the first African - American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and later Hawaii,

thanks for playing
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Jul 24, 14 9:36 PM
Live birth according to Orly Taitz.

Now that was a horrible job of forgery.
Jul 25, 14 1:14 PM appended by Mr. Z
And the birth announcements recorded on microfiche are freely available at the Hawaii State Library as the state provided such vital statistics to the Fourth Estate. You just can't fix stupid.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 25, 14 1:14 PM
New York, America’s unhappiest city
By David K. Li July 23, 2014 | 4:08pm

New York, America’s Unhappiest City

The City That Never Sleeps apparently doesn’t smile all that much, either.
New York City has been declared America’s unhappiest city by researchers from Harvard.
The paper, “Unhappy Cities,” leaned on Goverment survey data that asked respondents: “how satisfied are you with your life?”
They concluded that ...more
Jul 24, 14 9:29 PM appended by joe hampton
Glad to see Its just not me...
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Jul 24, 14 9:29 PM
Don't blame me I'm a dual resident like your boy... ~snicker~
Jul 24, 14 9:39 PM appended by joe hampton
I guess you went back to watching your favorite dude on M.S.L.S.D Mr. Maddow... I gotta go anyhow Kelly is back on
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Jul 24, 14 9:39 PM
41) Made the TSA even more abusive and ridiculous than it had been under Bush

The Obama administration gave a very invasive patdown to a three-year-old boy in a wheelchair, which caused the boy to tremble in fear. The Obama administration gave an aggressive patdown to a seven-year-old girl with cerebral palsy. The Obama administration said that a four-year-old girl was a “high security threat.” The Obama administration placed an 18-month-old girl on its no fly list. The Obama ...more
Jul 25, 14 12:07 AM appended by They call me
50) Paid $7 million per household to connect people to the internet Obama’s “stimulus” paid to connect some households in Montana to the internet, at a cost of $7 million per household.
By They call me (2795), southampton on Jul 25, 14 12:07 AM
“Powell Memorandum”
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 25, 14 12:57 AM
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51) Had a double standard for Bain Capital

Although Obama criticized Mitt Romney for his involvement with Bain Capital, Obama hired Jeff Zients, a former consultant at Bain (and who had an estimated personal wealth of $200 million) to be his budget director.

52) Broke promise to teen campaign volunteers

Obama had promised to his teen campaign volunteers that if they each spent nine hours going door to door on Obama’s behalf, he would invite them to attend his speech ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Jul 25, 14 1:44 AM
to Captn America:

Indeed? How does a simple exposition of your contradictory statements become “emotionally charged”? On July 23, you said that Zeldin's intentions regarding the 1st District were available for all to see; on July 24, you said that they were “to-be-identified”. As is your wont when you have face-planted, rather than apologize for your initial misstatement and move on, you pretend that it never happened and attempt to misdirect readers' attention ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Jul 25, 14 10:09 AM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 25, 14 1:55 PM
to Captn America:

"[E]motionally charged scare tactics"! Dear god, if you think that my comments are "emotionally charged", you must have the body temperature of a lizard. (Oh, wait, you're an extremist Right-Winger and we MAY be talking about spending YOUR money. Never mind.)

Since we are now in agreement that Lee Zeldin has said nothing about the federal programs for the 1st District that he would abort or eschew in the name of ideological fidelity, perhaps it is time for ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Jul 25, 14 3:50 PM
Eleanor Holmes Norton says 'you don't have a right to know' what's going on in government
Eleanor Holmes Norton, the non-voting congressional delegate for the District of Columbia, angrily sputtered during a congressional hearing Friday that the White House should not be held up to scrutiny, saying that there was no right to know what it was doing behind closed doors. "You don't have a right to know everything in a separation-of-powers government ... wow
Jul 25, 14 7:53 PM appended by joe hampton
I guess we finally found someone who is nuttier than Pelosi....
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Jul 25, 14 7:53 PM
obama will undoubtedly be his own demise. We can ask for no better justice no better punishment for such a narcissistic egomaniac. Self demise where he finally has no other option but to finally place the blame where it belongs, himself.

Impeachment would be a mistake. Just neuter him and watch him implode Strip the funding from all his programs, and sink any of his nominations. Watch the man-child blow up like the little immature napoleon that he is.
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Jul 25, 14 11:09 PM
61) Nominated a communist who said 9-11 was an inside job

In September 2009, Obama’s green czar Van Jones resigned after it was reported that he was a self described “communist” and had blamed George W. Bush for the September 11 attacks.

62) Falsely said he would not raise taxes on the poor and middle class

On September 12, 2008, Obama promised:

“I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Jul 26, 14 12:04 AM
Yet again, dreams and hope clashing with the reality of D.C. culture.
Jul 26, 14 12:21 AM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, the "conservative" version of capitalism wrapped itself around a tree at high speed recently. Just bear that in mind...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 26, 14 12:21 AM
71) Rejected international help to clean up BP oil spill

After the BP oil spill, Obama rejected offers of cleanup help from Canada, Croatia, France, Germany, Ireland, Mexico, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the United Nations.

72) Falsely said he opposed government waste, when he actually loves it

On September 22, 2008, Obama said, “I am not a Democrat who believes that we can or should defend every government ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Jul 26, 14 2:51 AM
As long as your compiling reasons to Impeach here is a few more,

The Corruption and Lies of KING Obama

Obamas IRS destroying evidence
DACA Amnesty
Common Core
Opening border to gang members and drug dealers
VA intentional deaths of veterans
Negotiating with terrorists
Fast & Furious
SEAL Team 6
Global warming hoax
Obamacare would save the avg family $2500 per year
Forcing businesses to violate their religious beliefs
Violating the rights ...more
Jul 26, 14 6:01 PM appended by 27dan
McALLEN, Texas – Observing what he could only describe as “chaos on the border” during a midnight tour of the Rio Grande on Friday, Rep. Steve Stockman, concluded, “President Obama is begging to be impeached.” “It looks like Obama is preparing to process five million illegal immigrant kids and teenagers into the United States,” Stockman said upon observing border operations near McAllen, Texas.
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 26, 14 6:01 PM
"The cynics, and the lobbyists, and the special interests have turned our government into a game only they can afford to play."

~ Guess...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 26, 14 1:41 AM
Yes, it seems like only yesterday candidate Obama as he announced his intention to run uttered those very words, and when elected, filled government jobs with his donors.

Obama's next line was, "They write the checks and you get stuck with the bills, they get the access while you get to write a letter, they think they own this government, but we're here today to take it back. The time for that politics is over. It's time to turn the page."

Does anyone feel like the people took ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Jul 26, 14 8:51 PM
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The proposed change will not happen in less than ten years.

Societal convention requires decades to be altered.

Unwise you are, and worldly even less...
Jul 27, 14 11:50 PM appended by Mr. Z
Disaster capitalism is no way to live. This country has fallen for the grift. It has fallen for the quick buck. It has fallen, and doesn't plan five days ahead, let alone fifty years. "We" are broken, and need to right the wrongs over a century in the making. If "We" don't, we truly are lost...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 26, 14 11:50 PM
Ah yes, hope and change. The "proposed change" we're speaking of certainly didn't go in the correct direction the last six years, now did it.
Jul 27, 14 2:08 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
In typical Obama two step fashion, he signed an Executive Order banning lobbyists but provided a loophole keeping it open to others. All in all, he's packed his administration with roughly 119 by one study. The K street usual suspects as well as evil corporate America are well represented in the White House.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Jul 27, 14 2:08 PM
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Democrats held the majority in both chambers of congress in 2009. Republicans were locked out of any discussion at that point by democrats for the next two years. So when you speak of obstruction, that is the baseline. Case in point, Obamacare - zero republican votes and congressional rules were even changed to ram the final vote through. Very much the olive branch for future progress, wouldn't you say?
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Jul 27, 14 10:26 PM
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Unemployment on L.I. at 4.9 percent. Not only are we at what economists consider full employment, this economy absorbs thousands of illegal immigrants to do every crap job we can dish out. With a prospering economy, anything is possible. As long as we are the policemen of the world, expect to be in debt and pay more in taxes. Be thankful you only have to pay in dollars and not the ultimate sacrifices other families have paid for this country. Go outside enjoy the summer, we'll give you a crack at ...more
By Mets fan (1491), Southampton on Jul 26, 14 8:51 PM
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"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

~ Mark Twain
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 27, 14 12:06 AM
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Especially if the facts are overwhelming

81) Opposes newspapers reporting the news

Obama spokesman Jay Carney criticized the Los Angeles Times for publishing photographs of U.S. soldiers posing with corpses in Afghanistan.

82) Supported Bush administration for fining CBS for showing Janet Jackson’s breast

Obama came out in favor of the FCC’s fining of the CBS TV network $550,000 for showing Janet Jackson’s breast during the 2004 Super Bowl.

83) ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Jul 27, 14 11:03 AM
"As long as we are the policemen of the world, expect to be in debt and pay more in taxes. Be thankful you only have to pay in dollars and not the ultimate sacrifices other families have paid for this country."

Good point Mf.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jul 27, 14 6:42 PM
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Jul 27, 14 8:12 AM
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I knew he would never take your good advice BF
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 27, 14 10:50 AM
91) Tried to replace science with political correctness

In July 2010, Charles Bolden, the administrator of NASA, said that Obama had told him that the primary purpose of NASA was “to reach out to the Muslim world.”

92) Illegally made recess appointments when Congress was not in recess

In January 2012, Obama violated the Constitution by making four recess appointments when Congress was not in recess. Recess appointments themselves are constitutional, but only ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Jul 27, 14 12:32 PM
According to the latest CNN Admission Americans really wish they had elected Romney instead of Obama
Americans are so down on obama that if they could do the 2012 election over again, they'd overwhelmingly back Romney. That's the newest finding in a brutal CNN poll, released Sunday, which shows Romney topping obama in a rematch by a whopping nine-point margin, 53% to 44%. An even larger spread than CNN found in Nov., when a survey had Romney winning a redo 49 % to 45 %.
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 28, 14 12:29 AM
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And to complete the report, the same poll shows Hillary Clinton defeating Romney 55% to 42%. Brutal indeed!
By VOS (1230), WHB on Jul 28, 14 1:55 AM
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No problem will take Hillary over this nightmare any day of the week
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 28, 14 6:12 AM
Nope, Even Crazy Joe Biden has Given Up! He will be playing Checkers with Harry Reid on the porch while sipping Country Time Lemon Aid in Rockers very soon!

101) Falsely claimed that his “Cash for Clunkers” program would help the environment

Although Obama claimed that his “Cash for Clunkers” program would help the environment, it actually caused net harm to the environment. Because the program required cars to be shredded instead of recycled, it wasted ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Jul 28, 14 12:30 PM
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109) Supports installation of hidden cameras on private property without a search warrant

In October 2012, Obama’s Justice Department argued in favor of installing hidden cameras on private property without a search warrant.

creepy !!!
By Erin 27 E (1262), southampton on Jul 28, 14 1:01 PM
Love the new Avatar TCM it looks like a scene from the old Laugh In TV show
Jul 28, 14 5:41 PM appended by joe hampton
Except with crazy people
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Jul 28, 14 5:41 PM
CNN POLL: Americans wish they'd elected Romney...
Violent MS-13 gang recruiting at Arizona facility...
Amnesty, work permits for 5 million could be ordered 'within weeks'...
Visa overstays to be excused...
CNN POLL: Americans wish they'd elected Romney...
Scott Brown Becomes First Senate Candidate To Run Ad On Crisis...
POLL: 77% want illegals sent home...
VIDEO: Coyote on jet ski delivers migrants to USA in broad daylight...
Jerry Brown kicks off trade mission in ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Jul 28, 14 12:44 PM
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just crazy, it really is just crazy, where is the media? payed off ?
By Erin 27 E (1262), southampton on Jul 28, 14 5:21 PM
You have 24 hours of Klown Kar on Fox news. Locally the Independent, Jerry Della Femina trash Obama on almost a weekly basis. The New York Post is completely right wing fringe with no middle ground. Limbaugh, Hannity, Mark Levan, Ann Coulter. Newsday endorsed Romney for President. What media coverage don't you get. Besides, what is the media going to cover, republicans NEVER do anything except whine, the party of do-nothing, so why cover them.
By Mets fan (1491), Southampton on Jul 28, 14 5:53 PM
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Wow that rant sounded suspiciously like phil... hmmmm? could it be ?
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Jul 28, 14 8:14 PM
No they both just watch M.S.L.S.D to much... Mathews says Klown Kar all the time. M F is cut from the same cloth as our little man, but if you go back and do a comment comparison he is more articulate and although just as ideological more mature.

By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Jul 28, 14 8:21 PM
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Just saw your pictures of the fire Joe. wow looked like a big one, How did you and the others get so close to get those amazing pictures
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 29, 14 10:22 PM
111) Spent half a million tax dollars on “Prom Week” video game

In 2012, the Obama administration spent $516,000 on a video game called “Prom Week.”

112) Hypocritically paid his female employees less than his male employees

Although Obama claimed to support equal pay for men and women, his own administration paid its female employees 18% less than its male employees.

113) Falsely said that Romney’s pension was bigger than his own

During ...more
Jul 28, 14 8:49 PM appended by They call me
Chuck Todd: The Country Is "Fatigued From This President" CHUCK TODD: It's all about the president. Do you know his average job rating in competitive Senate races is 38%? This is a country that is fatigued from this president, that is, in some ways, the more foreign policy problems that pop up, the lack of confidence you see in the poll numbers in him....
By They call me (2795), southampton on Jul 28, 14 8:49 PM
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121) Falsely said that “we got back every dime” of the bailout

In October 2012, Obama said that “we got back every dime” of the bailout. However, at the same time, the Congressional Budget Office that said there was still $24 billion that had not been paid back.

122) Spent $50,000 of taxpayer money on a George S. Patton impersonator

In the summer of 2011, the Obama administration spent $50,000 on a George S. Patton impersonator

123) Spent ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Jul 29, 14 6:01 AM
Illegally refused to fire Kathleen Sebelius after she violated campaign finance laws.

fire her ? correct me if i am wrong but didn't he promote her

the whole administration seems so out of touch and corrupt its disgusting

By Erin 27 E (1262), southampton on Jul 29, 14 11:59 AM
Administration?

You just described the lot of D.C./Capitol culture.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Jul 29, 14 10:45 PM
31) Called Fort Hood shooting “workplace violence” instead of “Islamic terrorism”

After Nidal Malik Hasan shouted “Allahu Akbar!” and murdered 13 people on U.S. soil, instead of referring to it as “Islamic terrorism,” Obama said that it was “workplace violence.”

132) Falsely said that switching to electronic medical records would make health care cheaper

Although Obama claimed that switching to electronic record ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Jul 30, 14 12:22 AM

92,001,000 Americans Not Working...

...increased by 11,472,000 since Obama
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 1, 14 12:31 PM
141) Falsely said the sequester would cause janitors to take a pay cut

In February 2013, while talking about the sequester, Obama said

“The folks who are cleaning the floors at the Capitol — now that Congress has left, somebody is going to be vacuuming and cleaning those floors and throwing out the garbage — they’re going to have less pay… The janitors, the security guards, they just got a pay cut, and they’ve got to figure out how to manage ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 1, 14 5:41 PM
This one pissed me off to the hilt...

149) Tried to eliminate workers’ right to a secret ballot when voting on whether or not to unionize

Obama supported the elimination of workers’ right to a secret ballot when voting on whether or not to form a union.

Dirt Bags ...
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 1, 14 5:45 PM
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According to the Daily News, Union poster boy Andrew Cuomo hired a criminal lawyer to represent governor's office today as scandal over his anti-corruption commission grows

bye bye Andy. Your run for president is over !

And I wonder how much is his lawyering up going to cost the taxpayers!. When he was working for HUD he was partially to blame for the housing market collapse. What made NY voters think this phony would make a good governor. He is as big a crook as his father
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 1, 14 6:09 PM
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mr. obama: we the people demand that you enforce our laws! 77% of us do not want your amnesty. you, barack barry hussein obama sotoro or who every you realy are , seem to be in violation of your oath to our constitution. close the borders this is insane!
By Erin 27 E (1262), southampton on Aug 1, 14 11:23 PM
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Democratic Rep. Gary Peters (D-MI), the Democrat U.S. Senate nominee in Michigan, told attendees of a town hall event in Detroit’s Mexicantown neighborhood that immigration reform was not about enforcing America’s laws

REALLY ?
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 2, 14 7:18 PM
BILL PLANTE, CBS NEWS: Mr. President, like that cease-fire, you've called for diplomatic solutions, not only in Israel, Gaza, but also in Ukraine, in Iraq to very little effect so far. Has the United States of America lost its influence in the world? Have you lost yours?

If he answered honestly, he would have to say, "Yes, the U.S. has lost influence in the World, as have I. And, that has been my intention."
Obama is an object lesson to all voters, to never elect a narcissist with ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 2, 14 11:30 PM
if not us than who, fool
By Erin 27 E (1262), southampton on Aug 2, 14 11:52 PM
not imperialism free will
By Erin 27 E (1262), southampton on Aug 3, 14 3:38 AM
Free will to liberals is the same as holy water to a vampire!
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Aug 3, 14 6:48 AM
"Conservatives" want "less government" for the same reason crooks want fewer cops. It's easier to get away with murder....
Aug 3, 14 7:58 AM appended by Mr. Z
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ William E. Gladstone
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 3, 14 7:58 AM
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we used to say the united states of America. We don't want "less government just less federal government. You boy is not a king...that is a tyrannical system we fought to get away from... but you already know this...
Aug 3, 14 11:32 AM appended by joe hampton
I could say the reason you speak of is the why you are willing to lead this country to ruin but the truth is I do not care about such things as skin color only what a man stands for or in your case against. Seems the race card is about all you have left... Very sad
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 3, 14 11:32 AM
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161) Spent $2.6 million to teach Chinese prostitutes how to drink responsibly on the job

Obama spent $2.6 million to teach Chinese prostitutes how to drink responsibly on the job.

162) Fined UPS $40 million because some of its customers had used UPS to ship illegal drugs

In March 2013, Obama forced UPS to pay $40 million because some of its customers had used UPS to ship illegal drugs.

163) Added 20,000 extra pages to Obamacare without Congressional approval

After ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 3, 14 4:04 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By VOS (1230), WHB on Aug 3, 14 5:10 PM
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look um up its all out there for you to debunk if you can

171) Spent $402,721 on underwear that detects the presence of cigarette smoke

In May 2013, it was reported that the Obama administration had spent $402,721 on underwear that detects the presence of cigarette smoke.

172) Rewarded one of his biggest campaign fundraisers by nominating him for the ambassadorship to Canada

In April 2013, it was reported that Obama had nominated Bruce Heyman to be the ambassador ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 3, 14 6:20 PM
Sorry, I don't have the time to write 180 novelettes. On the other hand, I don't believe you do either but are a simple minded plagiarist who is too embarrassed by the source of his material to properly credit it.

When you get to the end of your little list will you go back to cutting and pasting paper dollies?
By VOS (1230), WHB on Aug 3, 14 11:51 PM
Sure no problem

181) Used environmental regulations to shut down an ambulance while it was taking a patient to the hospital

In May 2013 the Washington Post reported:

A Wednesday shootout on the streets of Washington Highlands left a cop injured and a carjacking suspect dead. But before the suspect expired, he went on an unusual ambulance ride that involved moving him from one vehicle to another on the shoulder of Interstate 295. While this might appear to be another story ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 4, 14 12:59 AM
Keynesian economics is a load of bovine excrement!
Phil, do you have an issue with a successful family ? Do you have an issue with that hard working family passing on their wealth to their heirs? Why do you HATE those who are wealthy?
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Aug 4, 14 6:22 AM
The problem is not that we do not collect enough tax its that we spend to much!

The total federal debt of the U.S. government has now increased more than $7 trillion during the slightly more than five and a half years Barack Obama has been president.

That is more than the debt increased under all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Bill Clinton combined, and it is more debt than was accumulated in the first 227 years of this nation's existence--from 1776 through 2003.

The ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 4, 14 1:22 PM
Democracy and inherited wealth not compatible? Thanks to the "Liberal Curmudgeon". Drop your tea bags, and pick up a book. Ignorant can be fixed. Stupid, not so much.


"If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.

With Thomas Jefferson taking the lead in the Virginia legislature in 1777, every ...more
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 4, 14 9:20 PM
Oh Please...President Jacques Chirac and Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder repeatedly urged the United States and Great Britain to delay plans for military action against Saddam Hussein until the United Nations's super-sleuth, Hans Blix, had "completed" his search for Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) in Iraq.

And then they all went full steam ahead based on his assessment!
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 4, 14 9:23 PM
@BF:

David Stockton has come forward and written a book (redux 3/13), in case you missed it. I'll bet you never even heard of him, but he was important to "Reaganomics", or "Mellonomics", or "horse & sparrow", or more aptly HORSE***T economics.

In it, he completely disavows such a FAILURE of a system, and calls it the scam that ripped off the middle class. Happy trails, big fool...
Aug 4, 14 11:20 PM appended by Mr. Z
The Great Deformation: How Crony Capitalism Corrupted Free Markets and Democracy, by David Alan Stockman
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 4, 14 11:20 PM
to Captn America:

As you requested, the Founding Fathers (and some of their Republican descendents) speak on the topic of the danger to democracy of inherited wealth:

"If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.

With Thomas Jefferson taking the lead in the Virginia legislature in 1777, every ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 4, 14 9:08 AM
to Phil your boy Nate Silver, at 538, did a piece this week where he said Democrats are way more obsessed with impeachment than Republicans. He points out that more mentions in by Democrats than Republicans, MSNBC has talked about impeachment five times more than FOX News. Of course, you're raising a lot money on this as well. So I wonder how you respond to these findings and the charge that it's Democrats fueling the talk.
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 4, 14 10:30 AM
he has not figured out how to spin what cap you and I have said yet
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 4, 14 4:07 PM
Since a family's INCOME was taxed initially, why do you feel that the government is entitled to another bite of the apple Philly??!! IMHO there should be no capital gains taxes, ever. The left , in it's infinite greed for other peoples' money , feels that they are ENTITLED to picking the pockets of the wealthy. Absolutely pathetic, greedy and disgusting.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Aug 4, 14 7:14 PM
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This country was never more successful than when capital gains taxes stood at 25%. The only pathetic greed, ostentation, and outright avarice is on the part of the less than 5% of the population that 95% of the economic gains in the last five years have gone to. You are effectively brainwashed by the "elite".

You make the same asinine, ignorant argument and stand on the same platform as the Federalists with such thinking. I can't be nice about this anymore. Same old ignorant argument ...more
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 4, 14 8:57 PM
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Lame to the ignorant, poignant in today's world.

Jefferson, Madison, all those men who created this nation saw generational wealth as a direct threat to democracy in a republic.

PERIOD. End of line.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 4, 14 9:23 PM
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obama is planning to use his executive action granting amnesty to potentially 7 million illegal immigrants at the end of this summer in an attempt to "transform" America by flooding it with Democratic voters."
people from third-world countries such as Asia, Africa Latin America, they tend to vote somewhere between 70 to 90 percent Democratic when they come into the country. One reason being many are poor, many don't have high levels of education, they are highly dependent on the social welfare ...more
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 4, 14 11:51 PM
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"One reason being many are poor, many don't have high levels of education..."

That's three reasons, and your first statements describe Republican voters in 95% of the 100 poorest counties in the nation, which are in "red" states. For the highest percentage in poverty, 93% of the 100 poorest counties are in "red" states.

Said the Sherriff to the Bishop: "I'll keep 'em poor, you keep 'em stupid." Next deflection...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 5, 14 12:53 AM
191) Proposed military interventionism in Syria

In June 2013, Obama proposed that the U.S. get involved in Syria’s military conflicts.

192) Planned to use military snipers to shoot innocent lions and cheetahs in the wild

In June 2013, Obama was planning to use military snipers to shoot innocent lions and cheetahs in the wild.

However, after the media reported on his plans, Obama got embarrassed, and cancelled his plans.

193) Refused to fire or prosecute ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 5, 14 2:06 AM
Probably more likely it's the millions of people who work fifty or sixty hours a week for $350 or less take home, not gross.

It is, what it is, eh?
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 6, 14 12:47 AM
Kansas governor Sam Brownback slashed taxes Reaganomics style to allegedly spur growth.

The state economy crashed, is simply devastated, and S&P just downgraded Kansas' credit rating. They are the second agency to do so. It's a failure which keeps being propagated. A mistake you make once (ahem, Mellonomics). A **** up is a failure repeated more than once.

"Want a Better Economy? History Says Vote Democrat!"
~ Adam Hartung
Aug 6, 14 11:53 PM appended by Mr. Z
You may find it interesting that Wal-Mart in the Dakotas is paying cashiers $17/hr. instead of the minimum wage pittance throughout the rest of the country. At least they are on par with Costco at one out of thousands of stores...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 6, 14 11:53 PM
Republicans are the most vociferous supporters of "trickle down" economic theory. Such economic policy has led us to where we are.

Seems that the "leaders" who implemented a previously failed economic policy would be to blame. In such case, the Republican party is haughtily qualified to shoulder the burden of blame.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 8, 14 9:49 PM
Mr Z brings thoughtful, intelligent posts. Phil, not so much.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 4, 14 9:39 PM
I appreciate the compliment, and phil let's dial it back from the Spinal Tap 11.

Thinking about our democracy lately, it sure seems to be under the thumb of those with a ****load of inherited wealth...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 4, 14 10:54 PM
Phil, his comments don't get red ink.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 5, 14 5:02 PM
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Phil, that must have hurt as the truth often does.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 7, 14 8:38 PM
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Ed Henry to Earnest: Why Didn't You Fix Immigration When Dems Controlled Congress?
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 4, 14 11:43 PM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"Contrary to her testimony that mid level manages were responsible for security decision, Hillary herself seems to have personally acknowledged a request to increase security but instead approved reducing security according to an April 29, 2012 cable."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Another totally false, in-your-face fabrication from the extreme Right-Wing sanitarium as certified by the Washington ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 5, 14 8:27 AM
to Captn America:

Well, no, Captn. This isn't a case of what the meaning of the word "is" is, nor does Bill Clinton's mealy-mouthiness have anything to do with his wife's character.

Simply, Factchecker examined your assertion that Hilary Clinton "personally acknowledged a request to increase security but instead approved reducing security" and determined that it was an outrageous LIE.

Moreover, the House Intelligence Committee (led by Republicans) has recently concluded ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 5, 14 10:08 PM
to Captn America:

There you go again, inventing your own vocabulary. Actually, "dereliction of duty" only applies to acts or omissions that rise to "criminally negligent" behavior. The constitutionally mandated response to such behavior by a secretary of state is impeachment. Even with all the Tea Party True Believers in the House, the extreme Right-Wing could never summon a majority therein to approve such articles because they are so far beyond the pall of rationality.

You ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 6, 14 10:52 AM
no doubt about it captian !
By Erin 27 E (1262), southampton on Aug 7, 14 6:14 PM
Ed Henry to Earnest: Why Didn't You Fix Immigration When Dems Controlled Congress?



Aug 6, 14 9:39 PM appended by They call me
Good qestion Ed
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 6, 14 9:39 PM
201) Illegally bypassed Congress to delay Obamacare’s employer mandate

As the Obamacare law was written, the employer mandate was to begin in January 2014. This is what the law said when it was passed by the House and Senate, and signed by President Obama.

However, in July 2013, Obama delayed the employer mandate part of Obamacare until January 2015. Obama did this without approval from Congress.

For Obama to change a law that was passed by Congress, without first ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 6, 14 9:41 PM
Radio Personality Quits On Live Radio

Radio host Jason Lewis quit while on air, citing taxes and the mandate of self-sacrifice.

“We are endlessly told to live for others,” said Lewis during his Thursday show. “Taxes are patriotic. The pursuit of happiness has been replaced by the mandate of self-sacrifice. This is not freedom; it is tyranny.”


By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 6, 14 9:52 PM
He continued by giving people two choices: either support the socialist society Barack Obama is building or “fight” it. Then he said:

Fund the beast, or starve the beast. To host the parasite, or walk away. Ladies and gentlemen, I have now chosen the latter. They can now feed off one another

"I QUIT". and walked out on a live mic...

AWESOME and BRAVO SIR... BRAVO !
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 6, 14 9:53 PM
"Want a Better Economy? History Says Vote Democrat!"
~ Adam Hartung
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 6, 14 11:54 PM
Righttt
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 7, 14 12:28 AM
to joe hampton:

A radio broadcasting nonentity and psychopath (Excuse me, Objectivist) quits his unsuccessful radio show in a ludicrous show of phony bravado while calling attention to his NEW entrepreneurial endeavor, "galt.io" (the ".io" suffix standing for British Indian Ocean territory.)

Goodby Mr. Lewis. We all hope that you achieve great success in your new domicile in the Chagos Archipelago. One hopes that the 3,000 island residents will accept you more readily than did ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 7, 14 2:25 PM
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Self immolation is so underutilized these days...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 8, 14 1:08 AM
Indeed but so effective... demands attention. Good night Z
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 8, 14 1:56 AM
As we can clearly see in the latest CBS POLL

Direction of Country
Right Direction 25, Wrong Track 67

Meanwhile... President Defends Executive Power...

Border Agent: 'Morale is at all-time low'...
'Confirmed gang members' being released into USA...
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 7, 14 12:37 AM
I agree that the country is on the wrong track.
By philathome (8434), Southampton on Aug 7, 14 3:00 PM

Well then its all settled, We can all go home now.
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 7, 14 3:28 PM
Really PHIL who is the real Un American?
B.H.O
ENDORSED BY THE COMMUNIST PARTY (CPUSA) IN 2004, 2008 and 2012
Occidental College records -- SEALED
Columbia College records -- SEALED
Columbia Thesis paper -- SEALED
Harvard College records -- SEALED
Selective Service Registration -- SEALED
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 7, 14 5:46 PM
Medical records -- SEALED
Illinois State Senate schedule -- SEALED
Illinois State Senate records -- SEALED
Certified Copy of original birth certification -- SEALED
Signed Embossed ,paper Certification of Live Birth -- SEALED
Baptism record -- SEALED
Foreign student aid as a college student WTF
Used ___??___ country's passport when he visited Pakistan in 1981 ???

MOST TRANSPARENT ADMINISTRATION EVER,
Could you imagine what the media would say if this was ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 7, 14 5:54 PM
How bout focusing on jobs for the the folks who voted for you; instead of lettin in all this illegal competition. ? Now dat would be american. wouldnt you agree Phila ,comon whats up wit this Bull S~ on da border.
By local 84 (348), riverhead on Aug 7, 14 6:21 PM
Phila, I see you dodged my comment, LaRaza is a hate group that is very dangerous. Don't you see we are going to wind up fighting over the few jobs available. These jobs should go to Americans first. Accordin to the Atlantic African Amricans are out of work twice as much has whites! We need more reparation and less immigration, La Razza carries signs demanding 'rights' and open borders, After Obama is long gone, it will take many years for this nation to heal from the damage if he passes this executive ...more
By local 84 (348), riverhead on Aug 7, 14 7:13 PM
Ed Henry to Earnest: Why Didn't You Fix Immigration When Dems Controlled Congress?







By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 7, 14 3:26 PM
In Britain, a campaign season lasts six to eight weeks. WEEKS. All broadcast media are barred from carrying election advertising apart from brief party political broadcasts which are carried simultaneously by all principal TV channels. There are also restrictions on how much each candidate can spend on campaigning, based on the size of the electoral district, as well as national spending limits on each party. We need to adopt this system.
By btdt (449), water mill on Aug 7, 14 4:30 PM
I would be all for that kind of system here, but I would imagine that progressives like Philth would hate It since they would not have the ability to cry oppression and pull the race card and talk up the war on woman at every opportunity
Aug 7, 14 5:26 PM appended by 27dan
Nice try but that is exactly what I was referring to your filthy mouth its you who gets red lined at every turn.
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 7, 14 5:26 PM
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there is no war on women, just a war on people who have something to show for themselves in life
By Erin 27 E (1262), southampton on Aug 7, 14 6:11 PM
I'm sure it was just a typo Phil.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 7, 14 8:39 PM
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By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 8, 14 12:43 AM
We already had that kind of system before the Civil War. Before the war between the states there were no "borers" or lobbyists as they have now been come to be called.

Corporations were outright banned from civic life, and were not permitted to do anything but conduct business. NO campaign contributions, NO influencing elections, NO participation in civic life whatsoever. "We" need to return to such a system.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 8, 14 1:16 AM
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August 8th, 2014
06:00 AM ET
18 hours ago
CNN Poll: Trust in government at all-time low

By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 9, 14 9:09 AM
And now failing to secure a SOFA and refusing to leave a contingent behind.

Our media buying into the Arab Spring BS ... We are back in Iraq as the POTUS commands our confused forces and country from Marta's Vineyard as they fight ISIS a group he laughed off in a debate with Romney in his own words as "JV ".

A comedy show even Phil and HHS seem less and less willing to defend.
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 11, 14 10:18 AM
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Raised by a hippie radical and senile communist sympathizer, partially schooled in a Muslim country and worshiped by the leftwingnut extremists

What could possibly go wrong.

The reason there's no status of forces agreement is because the community organizer failed to get one, in too much of a hurry to leave,

Perpetually in PR / Fund rising mode.
He so wanted to say, "See, I cleaned up Bush's mess ..... Now let the minions rejoice!"

Sad.
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 11, 14 10:35 AM
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Phila left town when I asked him a this simple qestion ~

How bout focusing on jobs for the the folks who voted for you; instead of lettin in all this illegal competition. ? Now dat would be american. wouldnt you agree Phila ,comon whats up wit this Bull S~ on da border.

They steeln our jobs man! what this about anyway!



By local 84 (348), riverhead on Aug 11, 14 6:56 PM
'The border fence is a joke': Filmmaker crosses from US to Mexico dressed as Osama bin Laden as Border Patrol says 'we can't be everywhere at once'

They are lying to you 84, Check it out on U-TUBE, Black unemployment is higher than ever so whats that about ?

This administration cannot or will not protect the sovereignty of our constitution nor our nation.Those duties are outlined in the constitution. Rather, Obama prefers to cater to La Razza with populist, extra-constitutional ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 11, 14 7:16 PM
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omg, just watched the video it is very ,very disturbing, i had no idea how easy it is. why has no one shown this on the news or in the papers. i think it is beyond explanation for this to be going on and know one is doing anything about it ?
By Erin 27 E (1262), southampton on Aug 11, 14 7:32 PM
riiiiiiigh because James O'Keefe is a reliable source who has NEVER been known to deceptively edit video (eyeroll). There's a reason "why no one shown this one the news or in the papers" because it's BS. If it were true, a real news organization like BBC UK or heck, even Al-Jazera (who sadly are more reliable than James O'Keefe) would have done it
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 11, 14 8:24 PM
Why would you clam it did not happen Nature ? I know some people just don't like the man because he as made Planned Parenthood and ACORN look like fools but you can see the whole thing on u tube, It was officially documented

The investigation took place in Hudspeth County, Texas, at a crossing commonly used by illegal immigrants and drug smugglers. In less than one minute, O’Keefe crossed the river, which is only 2-3 feet deep and 20 feet wide in that area. The crossing is outside ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 11, 14 9:07 PM
obama may have done us a favor by exposing the insidious nature of unbridled liberalism, and how it depletes a society...most of his zelot horde, spare a few liberal elitists like Warren Buffet will be worse off after the smoke clears and will take a decade or more to restore opportunity and reverse moral decay left by these guys,
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 11, 14 1:47 PM
The problem with Progressive / Liberals is the same problem that Barry has. They don't understand how to function in the real world. No one should be surprised that Obama has had a lot of difficulty in running the country. First he had no leadership or economic background, no foreign affairs experience and little practical experience in business or government,

So why was he voted in you may ask. ???
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 11, 14 1:55 PM
He was better than the other guy...both times.
By VOS (1230), WHB on Aug 11, 14 10:10 PM
He was better than the other guy...both times.
By VOS (1230), WHB on Aug 11, 14 10:10 PM
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We the people have what we voted for.... A dysfunctional government. A man with no credentials,no understanding of how a representative republic is supposed to function..

his only experience is how to organize a community meeting or local protest. yet after 4 years of demonstrating his incompetence we re-elected him.

We also elected professional politicians to represent us in the House and Senate. Their only interest is to be re-elected...

Whether you're Republican, ...more
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 12, 14 12:52 AM
Tea Party was created by the Affordable Care Act

Created is not the right word, animated (among other terms) would apply. TARP followed by the stimulus package created the Tea Party.
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 12, 14 9:24 AM
Hillary Clinton: 'Failure' to Help Syrian Rebels Led to the Rise of ISIS
The former secretary of state, and probable candidate for president, outlines her foreign-policy doctrine. She says this about President Obama's: "Great nations need organizing principles, and 'Don't do stupid stuff' is not an organizing principle."
Aug 11, 14 4:05 PM appended by They call me
Laughing Out Loud
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 11, 14 4:05 PM
FLASHBACK: Obama Promises No Vacations For Himself As President
1:22 PM 08/11/2014

A revived old video of Barack Obama promising not to take vacations if he were elected president was found today.

The video features then-Sen. Obama discussing his book “The Audacity Of Hope” with New York Times columnist Bob Herbert in 2008.

The future president was talking about how those running for president need to be prepared to “give their life to it.”

“The ...more
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 11, 14 8:36 PM
Obama said Hillary's Syria criticism is 'horseshite'

uhh no its spot on
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 12, 14 12:31 AM
Earth to Phil, the issue is ILLEGAL immigration, not legal immigration. Legal immigrants make this great nation strong, illegals are dragging us down. Perhaps that's why you are rabidly pro illegal.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Aug 12, 14 6:37 AM
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By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 12, 14 11:35 AM
phillup you forgot your life vest,


to funny tcm,


is mr. hat going to go down with the ship? lol
By Erin 27 E (1262), southampton on Aug 12, 14 11:47 AM
What are you talking about? If you are that against illegal immigration, then why aren't you taking license plates of your hard working blue collar workers picking up workers at 7-11?
By Mets fan (1491), Southampton on Aug 12, 14 2:40 PM
ya from where ? berkley, lol
By Erin 27 E (1262), southampton on Aug 12, 14 7:41 PM
TCM and E, dumb and dumber show.
By Mets fan (1491), Southampton on Aug 12, 14 2:42 PM
Try again Phil, why are you in favor of ILLEGAL immigration?
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Aug 12, 14 5:41 PM
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Oh to easy where do we start Cap... how about in the first two pages of Phil's career here on 27 East...

I never denied that they were here illegally.

By philathome , Southampton on Jun 21, 14 6:42 PM

We'll see. A law designed and targetd at a specific group based on their origin.
Maybe they're just trying to take back the part of the country w stole from them."

By philathome , Southampton on May 13, 10 11:00 PM

The white race has been the biggest ...more
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 12, 14 7:51 PM
word, Served!

Listen you dont want to hear the truth Phila,these people are here ILLEGALLLY! what dont you comprehend? They are competing for jobs with people from the inner citys from coast to coast.

WE DO NOT WANT THEM HERE!

GET IT YET???

What is it about you anyway?

They are ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSERS here for our jobs Ernestine
By local 84 (348), riverhead on Aug 12, 14 8:04 PM
to Captn America:

Hello! I see that I have been included in your response as a third party.

Here's your answer, Captn America, though I think that one as ideologically and emotionally challenged as you will find it impossible to accept - - Yes!

My Liberal political philosophy and my faith require that the answer be yes, although I hope that I am not so obdurately callous that I would refuse them help even in the absence of political ideology or religious belief.

I ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 13, 14 12:25 PM
And Phila will keep ignoring the issue at hand
By local 84 (348), riverhead on Aug 12, 14 9:40 PM
boy there must be a real sensitive libs up at the press, It is a common expression to say like rats jumping from a sinking ship. It did not necessarily imply that HHS - METS FAN and PHIL where rats, just that they were abandoning obamas sinking political ship.
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 13, 14 9:26 PM
and if you still red ink the above it will prove your bias at the SH Press
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 13, 14 9:29 PM
to Captn America:

I do not doubt that some conservatives are as generous as liberals. However, that has nothing to do with you or any of your Tea Party colleagues. Tea Partiers may CALL themselves conservatives but, in reality, they are defined only by obsessive meanness. When you find a citation showing the relative generosity of Tea Partiers (compared to normal people [or the Khmer Rouge]) get back to me.

Quote:

"Are you willing to take a family into your home HH? ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 14, 14 9:06 AM
Andrew Klavan: What Is Income Redistribution?

Thomas Picketty’s new book Capital in the 21st Century has excited leftists with its call for more income redistribution. The Financial Times and others say the books’ data are suspiciously skewed but the New York Times’ columnist Paul Krugman says he’s received confirmation of Picketty’s numbers on an interplanetary communication device that you can make yourself out of ordinary tinfoil you find at home.

Today, ...more
Aug 14, 14 4:59 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Technically it's "wealth distribution", since the money wasn't distributed in the first place for it to then be redistributed. To morally justify it all, its supporters rely on appeals to altruism and/or collectivism, hoping that you'll be dumb enough to let them steal your wealth, allegedly for the sake of all the "needy people" out there / for the sake of "the public good". If anyone claims to have a right to the fruits of their own labor, then they will be morally denounced as "selfish" and therefore evil. The right to the pursuit of happiness? Nope, not in America you don't. It's selfish, all selfishness is evil and must be banned. All must sacrifice to all, in one big altruistic orgy of sacrificing to each other. None may profit, all must sacrifice. You are your brother's keeper. Think of others first, think of self last. et cetera.
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 14, 14 4:59 PM
just more media matters cut and paste, It dose not matter you, hh and mets fan are the only ideologues still defending this bum. No one cares how you are spinning any longer.

This guy has proved him self to be a liar and a fraud you should have elected Hillary even she has more bal*s
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 14, 14 11:11 PM
to They call me, Erin 27 E et al.:

Not to worry, Erin, the ship of state is steaming vigorously ahead and we Liberals are enjoying the sun on the promenade deck, not to mention the view of extreme Right-Wingers as they vanish beneath the waves in our wake. (Although their despairing cries ARE distressing [momentarily.])
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 14, 14 9:18 AM
Sounds very delusional....

Obama is currently enjoying one of the worst approval records for a POTUS of all time... a legacy surly to be one of the most worthless in American history.

The world is on fire with 24 major conflicts... Ten of thousands of illegals, criminals, and maybe terrorists flooding across our border and he spends our time golfing?

This arrogant partisan is chronically incapable of developing any strategy to preserve, protect or defend US national ...more
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 14, 14 3:53 PM

to joe hampton:

Calm yourself, joe. The ship of state is in absolutely no danger of foundering. As we sail though quiet seas and sunny skies, we Liberals are attending lectures in the main salon with titles such as, "Now That The Democrats Have Restored Full Employment, What Next?” and, the rather more distressing topic, “If Right-Wing Republicans Drive The Country Into Bankruptcy, How Can Democrats Rescue It The Next Time?”

For diversion, we will sometimes ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 15, 14 6:56 AM
While you were patting each others fannies on the lido deck ... in your foundation less euphoric state you failed to notice the horizon was now at 45 degrees...

You are correct our tubes are indeed now empty as two Mk-48s have already detonated beneath you causing your keel to fail catastrophically.

The sea you are currently drifting in is the sea of denial. arrogance not allowing the crew to see this ship taking on way to much water now...

Its ok brave souls soon your ...more
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 15, 14 10:57 AM
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Phil said To local84-
It would help if you actually did a little research into the border issue

What is there to research they are here they want our jobs and they are ILLEGAL!
By local 84 (348), riverhead on Aug 14, 14 3:12 PM
Relax 84 Central Americans come in looking to pick berries, oranges and grapefruit then go back home in the winter. The government tells us that this is perfectly normal and safe and there is nothing to worry about.
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 15, 14 12:13 PM
Phil--Obama doesn't know who you are. End the man crush. Weren't we talking about Bishop/Zeldin? Surely Phil you're not attracted to Bishop, are you?
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Aug 14, 14 9:39 PM
Bishop= more of the same old tax and spend Demokrat fiscal insanity. He has been a rubber stamp for Barry Soetoro and Nancy ( we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it) Pelosi, a Party hack of the first order. A Freestuffers' dream candidate, Rah Rah Rah Phil!
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Aug 15, 14 7:28 AM
just as bad, We need to get our fiscal house in order
Aug 15, 14 2:36 PM appended by 27dan
There you go, someone finally agreed with you, now maybe you can stop the angry red ink roll you have been on. but don't worry your in good company, JOE KLEIN: Why is the White House making a show of being really angry? And the president has been doing this an awful lot lately. He really seems cynical, not just about the press and about the Republicans, but about his own policymakers, about almost everything. And you begin to suspect, 'This is one angry man.'
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 15, 14 2:36 PM
Now that the destination is in sight, we ship's passengers are eager for the arrival. When President Obama transfers the authority of his office to Hillary Clinton, the continued military, economic and democratic security of the country will be assured.

Tea Partiers will lament, to the joy of democratic republicans everywhere.
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 15, 14 6:28 PM
Ill take her over this spiteful socialist any day of the week... bon voyage
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 15, 14 7:23 PM
Demokratz tax and OVERSPEND, sorry for not making that clear in my last post Phil. Deficit spending on giveaways to pay back voters and union contributors .
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Aug 15, 14 6:34 PM
Had Clinton taken care of business(OBL) there probably would have been no reason for Bush to borrow.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 14 8:02 PM
Phil you old trapster, that's not what I said but spin away.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 14 8:13 PM
This is your MO Phil. Quote someone, add something of your own, and say "this is what you said". Only a moron (and your fanboy) fall for your transparent and juvenile debate tactics. C'mon Phil, you are better than this, or maybe not.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 14 8:26 PM
Republican administrations are the kings of deficit spending. The Reagan administration tripled the national debt.

You should be on your hands and knees thanking your predecessors for modern society. Without it, you most likely would have been eaten by predators as a child...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 15, 14 8:39 PM
Yeah, sidestep my pointing out your penchant for distortion.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 14 9:02 PM
you most likely would have been eaten by predators as a child...

Huh? What choo talkin bout Willis?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 14 9:03 PM
I didn't say it Phil, you did. But thanks for bringing it up.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 14 9:39 PM
Breaking: No politician has ever been indicted before only to get off.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 14 9:39 PM
Haha, much ado about nothing.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 14 10:22 PM
To Phil everyone is innocent Eric Holder, Lois Learner, Travon Martin, probably Michael Brown... Bill Ayers, Marion Barry, Anthoney Winner, Bill Clinton, Kwame Kilpatrick, Hammas.... and on and on and on
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 16, 14 12:46 PM
Coercion and abuse of power ??? Eric Holder Invented that.

Should he go also Phil
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 16, 14 12:52 PM
"I'll remember that you said that."

No need, I's sure you saved a screen shot of it.


"Remember how those words taste, you'll be eating them again."

Eating them again? When did I eat them for a first time? You sure are easy to fluster.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 16, 14 7:51 PM
You try so hard to be witty but fall so short.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 17, 14 3:55 PM
What exactly does that prove Phil?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 17, 14 6:09 PM
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By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 17, 14 8:33 PM
I don't think that anything will come of the Perry indictment. He extorted the compliance of a local D.A. whom he disliked by withholding operating funds for her department. Since her's is an ELECTIVE office, some might think it autocratic (and unconstitutional) for a governor thusly to impose his will on the electorate (cf. the American Revolution.) The governor's litigators will argue that it was mere bureaucratic s.o.p.

Was Rick's behavior ethical? No. Was it criminal? Probably ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 16, 14 11:56 PM
Apparently the Grand Jury felt his conduct was unlawful. Attempting to force the resignation of an elected official by threatening said official's funding, whilst aforementioned agency is investigating an institution for corruption, and said institution happens to be one of the GOV's pet projects.

It does not look good for Mr. Perry...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 17, 14 12:33 AM
I agree HHS. I don't think it goes anywhere. Par for the course for most elected official, sadly. Perry was done as a candidate long before this.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 17, 14 6:12 PM
Scandal, Ethics Violations, Corruption Charges, Haunt Tim Bishop

We expect our elected officials to work hard, do their job, and get things done for us. That’s why Congressman Tim Bishop’s recent ethics violation, where he essentially “shook down” his own constituent, is so unsettling to Long Island voters.

How much does it cost for a permit to shoot off fireworks in Tim Bishop’s district? Well, besides the cost of the permit, it apparently costs about ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 17, 14 8:24 PM
AUSTIN — Rick Perry went on the offensive Saturday, a day after being indicted on accusations of abusing his power with a controversial veto, denouncing the charges as “outrageous” political theatrics and predicting he will prevail over “those who would erode our state’s constitution and laws purely for political purposes.”

“I wholeheartedly and unequivocally stand behind my veto and will continue to defend this lawful action of my executive authority ...more
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 17, 14 9:14 AM
DEM REP. TIM BISHOP STILL PROMISES 'IF YOU LIKE YOUR PLAN, KEEP YOUR PLAN'
President Obama's oft-repeated claim that "if you like your health care plan, you can keep it," was named the "lie of the year" by Politifact. In fact, more Americans have lost health coverage than obtained it through ObamaCare. Unfortunately for residents of Long Island, their congressman, Tim Bishop is still peddling this lie to his constituents.
Politifact dubbed the claim the "lie of the year," the New York Democrat's ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 17, 14 8:26 PM
Saved nine hundred dollars per month with a better policy with Obamacare. Those are my facts.
By Mets fan (1491), Southampton on Aug 17, 14 8:34 PM
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So would I.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 17, 14 8:49 PM
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OBAMA MENTOR CHARLES OGLETREE ON 'THREE DAYS OF RIOTING' IN FERGUSON: 'IT'S JUST STARTING'
Aug 2014, 3:02 PM PDT After a week of riots and looting in Ferguson, Missouri, where police shot and killed thug Michael Brown last weekend, Charles Ogletree, the Harvard Law professor who was President Barack Obama's mentor said on Meet The Press. "And I'll tell you what, people think that three days of rioting is the end of it in Ferguson, Missouri. It's just starting." just disgusting
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 18, 14 2:59 AM
The rioters and looters in Ferguson are a bunch of ANIMALS! Criminals looking for an excuse to burn and steal from businesses in their own hood, except for those who took a trip to get in on some crime and free stuff, animals, nothing but animals.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Aug 18, 14 6:19 AM
It was indeed a despicable display by leaving his body uncovered. But he was not in need of medical attention after the shooting.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 1:47 AM
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um, the bullet that entered the top of his head?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 4:55 PM
Funny how he says "18 year old boy". What makes him an 18 year old boy and not an 18 year old man? It's just semantics.

Funny how he also says that it "verifies that the witness accounts were true", since the deceased's friend says that he had been shot in the back originally. Also, no proof that he had his "hands up" yet since there isn't enough information for the secondary ME to reconstruct the scene and trajectory of bullets.

Can we please all agree that none of us know ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 20, 14 10:32 AM
Geeeez Phil, seems like you are agreeing with the rioters! There is no excuse for rioting , arson and looting! There is nothing positive, intelligent, correct, reasonable, excusable, forgivable, legal or remotely civilized in regards to the ANIMALS in Missouri acting like they have just escaped from the zoo! Why not condemn their criminal actions?
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Aug 18, 14 5:57 PM
Drugs have now been found in his blood stream, I saw the video of the 6"4' Man (not child) strong arming a merchant buy coming into his store shoving him several times and stealing cigars to reportedly make blunts,

Here is what a source close to officer Wilson as told CNN is Wilson's account of what happened, The source says witness collaboration supports officer Wilson's account.

The boys were walking in the street, officer Wilson rolled the window down and told them to get ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 18, 14 8:35 PM
I know better than to get involved but...

If by "paying" you mean grabbing him by the next and strong-arming his way out the door, then yes, he did pay for them.
Aug 18, 14 8:51 PM appended by Nature
**grabbing him by the NECK
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 18, 14 8:51 PM
The robbery WAS reported, and you will soon see that the PO was aware of it.
PhilatHome, where in heavens name do you see him paying for the cigars? I saw the tape numerous times and did not see that.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 18, 14 9:50 PM
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The toxicology reports are no where near being released. Where did you get ( or make up) that information?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 18, 14 9:52 PM
The toxicology reports are no where near being released. Where did you get ( or make up) that information?
Aug 18, 14 9:52 PM appended by But I'm a blank!
meant for "They call me"
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 18, 14 9:52 PM
An unarmed citizen was shot six times, twice in the head.

There is no justification. None.
Aug 18, 14 11:32 PM appended by Mr. Z
Piaget Crenshaw's account is rather damning...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 18, 14 11:32 PM
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toxicology reports have been leaked and reported by Dr. Boden

Stop paying attention to this and they will go home.

Evidence suggests that the man was a thug. People like Ben Carson can see it clear as day .

Jackson, Sharpton, Black Panthers, and Holder are going to fan the flames for political reasons
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 18, 14 11:39 PM
Toxicology takes at least three weeks.

Whatever happened in the store, and there was no theft reported by the owner or an employee, it has absolutely diddly squat to do with an unarmed person being shot to death. Twice in the head.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 18, 14 11:58 PM
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By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 12:03 AM
How do you know that no theft was reported? MrZ
When did Dr BAden leak anything? That's the first I have heard and I was vegged watching CNN most of the day.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 12:03 AM
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By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 12:03 AM
"Attorney For Ferguson Market: NO ONE From His Store Called 911 To Report Cigar Theft"
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 19, 14 12:08 AM
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As did I. SO again, what has it to do with the story?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 8:04 PM
I'm having some doubt there, Mr .Z. Seems like maybe the store owner, doing business in that neighborhood, would not want to be known as they guy that possibly outted "Big Mike". You're too smart to rely on an attorney with parochial interests to go for that.
Joe Hampton, what Dr Baden DID say, and you can easily google it, was that he did not extract any bodily fluids as the autopsy was done at a funeral home and the body had been prepped for embalming. Facts, dude, they matter.
Aug 19, 14 12:13 AM appended by But I'm a blank!
And again, through the magic of google, you can see the actual police report of the strong arm robbery at the store.Cops just don't walk in to store and ask if they've been robbed. Look at the time stamps on the video, compare it to the report, it all took place before the shooting.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 12:13 AM
The fact is, there was no cause for this young man to be shot dead. There are a lot of places to put a bullet in the human body which are not fatal as long as you don't hit an artery.

This officer shot to kill, and I guess he forgot whether or not he had a Taser...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 19, 14 9:37 AM
"The officer shot to terminate the (deadly) threat he perceived."

This is exactly right. They are not trained to wound, that is only in the movies.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 4:42 PM
Six bullets. Not one, but two to the head.

There are FOUR witnesses who state that Brown surrendered with his hands up, and then the officer gunned down an unarmed citizen. They did not know each other, and their stories line up. Brown was fleeing, surrendered, and was shot to death.

We shall see what the future brings.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 19, 14 4:58 PM
Makes no difference who reported it, it appears to be fact that PD responded to investigate it.
One more time, please tell us the time stamp on the tape where he paid for anything.
We know the black kid is still dead at the hands of a cop, and that is a shame.
What we DON'T know is all the facts. Anything else at this time is just speculation.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 5:00 PM
And eye witness statements are the least reliable types of evidence. How long after the shooting did they get interviewed? Did they speak with each other or anyone else before their statements were taken?
Once again, we're are not hearing all the facts.
The one statement that does give me pause, is the one given over the radio by an acquaintance of the officer involved. Hours after it occurred, and before it became media event, her statement indicates that Michael Brown"bum rushed" the ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 5:09 PM
You don't know for a fact that he was walking with his hands up. Again, you claimed Michael paid for the cigars. Just where did you see that?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 5:11 PM
Z - Yes, we will see. I am not a big believer in eye witness testimony but it may be all we have to go on for now.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 5:26 PM
"Justified.ed in your opinion?"

Hard to say. Cops can't simulate the adrenaline dump when they practice shooting, if they practice at all. The cop may have just kept pulling the trigger until the deceased was down. Maybe aimed at center mass, as most shooters are taught, and the gun raised with each consecutive shot. If you look at most shootings cops are involved with there are what would seem to be many more bullets fired than what are necessary. They just can't prepare themselves ...more
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 5:32 PM
I said her story gives me "pause". I did not say I believe it to be gospel truth. As I stated earlier, we don't know if any of the witnesses were contaminated by hearing others or not.
And once again phil, where do you see him paying for the cigars?
I don't have an opinion of anyones guilt or innocence here. I dont have all , if any of the "facts" nor does anyone here.
I do not believe that a cop, working by himself, would shoot, in full view of the public without at least some type ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 6:02 PM
No Phil, this was a shooting, and I wasn't justifying it just thinking out loud about what may have happened. You know, speculating, something we all do in these threads.

As usual, with scant evidence, Phil has it all figured out.

Now as to you using the straw man argument? Not sure you know what the term means but not surprised you use it considering I accused you of a few week ago. Transparency abounds.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 6:15 PM
Cap, I wouldn't be surprised to learn more shots weren't fired but only 6 hit. Cops are notorious bad shots, at least the ones I have shot with. I'm not sure cops are taught the double tap, soldiers are but not sure about cops.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 6:19 PM
So the officer executed his training protocol. Doesn't automatically make it justified.

The solution is: One officer, one camera
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 19, 14 6:20 PM
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Once again, phil, you opened this box. A report was filed. Someone notified PD of the incident, you can even google the police report. What difference does it make? Something happened, the police were called, and a report was filed.
Is it your belief that nothing happened at the convenience store, except for this kid paying for cigars that miraculously did not appear on the video except for you?
I think, (and this is pure speculation) that we will find out that at some point in the interaction ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 6:37 PM
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By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 8:00 PM
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By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 8:03 PM
You know phil, a bit disconcerting to attempt a conversation with you. As soon as it goes against your thoughts, you make up things from out of no where. Please, show me anything, that would indicate that Michael deserved to die. Where I wrote of possible scenarios, I made it a point to indicate that a lot of speculation is involved as we don't have all the facts.
Your credibility is shot with me.
You deserve "they call me" Two peas in a pod. Make a statement, avoid being called on it, ...more
Aug 19, 14 8:09 PM appended by But I'm a blank!
And cause I'm a glutton for punishment, tell me again where you saw MB pay for the cigars.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 8:09 PM
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"The solution is: One officer, one camera"

That is not a bad idea, except that it may interfere with a cops ability to exercise discretion.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 8:11 PM
Didn't you just say this-

""The officer shot to terminate the (deadly) threat he perceived."

This is exactly right. They are not trained to wound, that is only in the movies."
By dnice (1311), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 4:42 PM

?????

Yes, what is your point?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 8:13 PM
" Cap, I wouldn't be surprised to learn more shots weren't fired but only 6 hit. Cops are notorious bad shots, at least the ones I have shot with. I'm not sure cops are taught the double tap, soldiers are but not sure about cops."
By dnice (1315), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 6:19 PM

He managed to hit him 6 times out of how many shots, for somebody who, in your opinion, is typically a notoriously bad shot?
If MB was moving, hitting him 6 times out of 10, 12 or 16 is actually not bad. ...more
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 8:35 PM
phil,
You set up scenarios you made in your own mind. From what I have seen that is a dark space that I wont venture into. Everything I have discussed here, save the comment of "Josie" is about the shooting, and not the aftermath.
I stated earlier that Chief of Police there has no ability to deal with crisis management, you have not seen me defend the actions of the cops in the area now. I believe that the officer involved did in fact hear a broadcast about the strong armed robbery and ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 9:39 PM
Phil, (see how this is addressed to YOU)
Your last post started : To BIAB, that infers what you write is directed at me.
I don't care what others have written on this site. The debate was between you and I.
Now you have an inability to accept anyone as an individual. So if I agree with CapA, I am a right wing extremist, if I agree with tcm, I am slow witted. If I agree with you, I must be right then?
Again, no credibility, where was it that Michael paid for the cigars? Please anything ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 10:27 PM
I took some time to review the video, and it looks more like the deceased trashed the counter because he was impatient waiting for the clerk. Trashing the counter would make the clerk upset. His companion even picks cigars up off the floor, and puts them back on the counter, including the pack the deceased handed to him seconds before. In fact, the deceased puts the Backwoods cigars he plucked from across the counter back on the counter. He leaves with what he picked up from the floor.

It ...more
Aug 19, 14 11:38 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, we need the clothing. However, there was no powder residue on the body. Additionally, the deceased was wearing a short sleeve tee shirt. I find it rather interesting there was no powder residue on his arms. But, we shall see...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 19, 14 11:38 PM
And we both know that was the first time you saw that. Not once when you were challenged here did you offer anything, I have some strong doubts about this one. Now you google the police report, phil.
Now you seem to want to put me in a corner and insinuate that I believe that MB should have been killed etc The facts are not in and will not be in for a while. You see what you want to see because you have such slanted political views, you think you are right on any left leaning cause. You're ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 11:49 PM
The source of your post is questionable at best. Its like someone using Glenn Beck as a reference.
I love the part where the article says there were shots from "back to front", make sure someone tells that to Dr Baden, cause he must have missed that.
I don't care what you, or anyone else thinks of me. My dogs wag their tails and smile and jump up and down when I walk into the house. That's all I need.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 11:58 PM
You typed that with a straight face, did ya?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 11:59 PM
I stated I don't care what anyone thinks of me. I did not disparage anyones (even yours) viewpoints.

Now to the video....I watched it, numerous times. And not once did I see MB pay for anything. So , no, you did not provide anything. Nothing. Zilch. View the police report.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 20, 14 12:24 AM
"stipling" occurs best at distances of 12" or less, but may be visible up to 24".
What I observed on the video was MB towards the end, taking what appears to be a larger package from across the counter. It is not quality video. I wouldn't want to be charged with interpreting this video
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 20, 14 12:34 AM
And still no condemnation from our resident leftists of the animals running wild in the streets.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Aug 19, 14 6:50 AM
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Classic, blaming the police for the residents being nothing more than animals running wild, liberalism truly is a mental disorder. Here's a question for you Phil, is there a scenario that makes it OK to loot and burn businesses? Does rioting and arson have any place in a civilized society?
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Aug 19, 14 7:26 AM
Homo Sapiens is a species which is classified as an animal.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 19, 14 9:47 AM
St. Louis Post-Dispatch Reporter: More Than A Dozen Witnesses Corroborate Cop's Story
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 19, 14 8:10 AM
now that Holder and other agitators are on the scene It will get worse
After all, never let a good manufactured crisis go to waste.
and it's working. Haven't heard much about illegalls this week,
or obama's abysmal poll numbers,or, the IRS, or Benghazi, or ISIS or Gaza.

Only the poor little boy who was murdered by the big bad policeman.
When one sets up the chessboard correctly, manufacturing your crisis is as easy as yelling racist.
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 19, 14 8:40 AM
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Once again "they call me" where did you get the info the Dr. Baden leaked any info on toxicology reports?

A little confused as to why a pathologist with a world wide reputation would leak anything. Especially something that was not true.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 4:57 PM
Said there was more than the amount needed to get high of marijuana in his system
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 19, 14 7:00 PM
When and where did he say that? I watched the press conference and didn't go there once. He couldn't. He did not extract any fluids from the body. It would take weeks to get the result if he had. fwiw, "more than enough to get high" is about the amount you could pinch between two fingers. So what is your made up point?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 19, 14 8:01 PM
He said it on the Sean Hannity radio show today, Just like TCM says
By 27dan (2815), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 19, 14 8:38 PM
Network Passes on Tina Fey Comedy Pilot...

Good can't stand her !

People are getting tired of this Hollywood progressive political act
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 19, 14 10:47 PM
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I saw the video and what Dr Baden said was that he saw the toxicology reports, from the autopsy done by the county and that it indicated there was marijuana in his system. It could be as much as 40 days old. Until the toxicology report indicates if there was anything else in his system, it means nothing. Dr Baden did not at any time claim that he found evidence of pot use.
Details matter.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 20, 14 1:05 AM
Mean while back in real news land,

SHOCK: ISIS BEHEADS AMERICAN JOURNALIST...
Threatens to kill another...
Fate depends on Obama's next move...

Islamic State says another U.S. journalist's fate depends on Obama
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Islamic State militants claimed in a video on Tuesday to be holding U.S. journalist Steven Sotloff and said his life depended on U.S. President Barack Obama's next move.

"The life of this American citizen, Obama, depends on your ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 19, 14 8:42 PM
If this poor guys life is dependent on obama getting involved he's toast; obama won't even get our Marine Tahmooressi out of mexico and that's a whole lot easier; maybe if he was a muslim sympathizing deserter like bergdahl then obama would jump in and trade four of al qaedas most savage in a Guantanamo Bay emptying trade.

Some say this man has been trained from birth to do exactly what he's doing. Comrade Jarrett does seem to make sure he stays right on track.
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 19, 14 8:54 PM
There are two narratives of this incident, allegedly attested to by numerous witnesses on both sides, that are completely antithetical. One depicts Brown as being shot while trying to surrender; the other has him "bum-rushing" the cop in a continued attempt to wrestle away the cop's gun.

In the absence of any proof of either of these conflicting accounts, how can any reasonable person profess an opinion as to whether the shooting was or was not justified?

There's a lot of heat, ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 20, 14 10:07 AM
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Jim Hoft has the credibility of a snake oil salesman. He's been called on sheer bull**** so many times he may as well be the boy who cried "WOLF".

He's so full of ****, his eyes are probably brown...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 20, 14 9:23 PM
He wasn't with Ferguson PD, and he was appropriately suspended.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 20, 14 10:16 PM
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By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 20, 14 10:17 PM
I saw that video. They didn't just fire one bullet while he was on the other side of a retaining wall , while officers were shielded behind their vehicle from at least 12 feet away. Two officers fired nine shots at man with a knife. Nine f****** bullets at a man with a STEAK KNIFE.

They even LIED on an official report. Maybe they just forgot how wide the sidewalk is. They even HANDCUFFED a man with multiple gunshot wounds. Don't even try to justify it. Please just don't.

By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 21, 14 4:44 PM
I saw that video. They didn't just fire one bullet while he was on the other side of a retaining wall , while officers were shielded behind their vehicle from at least 12 feet away. Two officers fired nine shots at man with a knife. Nine f****** bullets at a man with a STEAK KNIFE.

They even LIED on an official report. Maybe they just forgot how wide the sidewalk is. They even HANDCUFFED a man with multiple gunshot wounds. Don't even try to justify it. Please just don't.

Aug 21, 14 4:44 PM appended by Mr. Z
Maybe it would be better for the public health, and their duty to protect and serve, it they were issued rubber bullets. Maybe it would save a life should an officer get a bit trigger happy...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 21, 14 4:44 PM
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By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 21, 14 6:56 PM
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By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 21, 14 9:02 PM
OK Mr. "comfort zone".

I said rubber bullets be issued, not that they have to be used on all occasions. When dealing with a mentally ill suspect, maybe they would be a better choice than the standard issue. Even rubber bullets can kill on occasion, and not even a taser is completely non-lethal.

The error the police made in the Powell shooting is that the officers exited the vehicle with sidearms drawn, despite the fact Dotson claimed otherwise. That was a critical, and grievous ...more
Aug 21, 14 11:08 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, looking at the video in slow motion as he collapses his right arm goes over the wall and he tumbles onto the sidewalk. Six inches less, and he would have been fired on twice while laying just in front of the black car.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 21, 14 11:08 PM
BTW, they cuffed a dead man. Just thought you'd like to know...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 22, 14 12:38 AM
At that distance you wouldn't stand a chance. Go ahead, google it, you'll see shooting standards up held time after time.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 22, 14 1:17 PM
Mr Shaw
I am at a loss as to why my comment was deleted. There was nothing threatening nor was there any kind of a personal attack. I merely stated to phil that his understanding of what constitutes a threat from a person with a knife at those distances is very real.
For whatever reason Mr Z thought the comment was directed to him and responded in a slightly nasty manner.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 22, 14 1:20 PM
Don't recall you being involved in Cap and I's debate.

Frankly, if the situation is such a great unknown why not just pull up and wait for backup? The footage shows multiple officers on the scene in a very short time frame.

Just like chess and war, strategy is invaluable. I don't think they implemented a good one.
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 22, 14 11:13 PM
No, we're not and opinion/debate is not libel. But incidents like this, and additionally the shooting of unarmed citizens are happening far too frequently. One killing of an unarmed citizen is one too many. People are very weary of it. As I've often said there is a fine line between freedom and anarchy. People do tend to confuse the two.

As far as a threat to the public, in this case he was known in the community and no one felt threatened. It was a case of "so and so is at it again". ...more
Aug 23, 14 6:43 AM appended by Mr. Z
People also confuse justice, and revenge...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 23, 14 6:43 AM
A knife is not a firearm, and though potentially lethal it requires far closer quarters than a gun. There is no perfect world, nor perfect options.

Looking at this rationally, there is one perp and two officers. He is outnumbered. In other words, you potentially have two options. If it is an absolute necessity for an officer to take an aggressive posture, he may exit the vehicle with firearm drawn from the stopped vehicle as he did. If the other officer had the option, he could employ ...more
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 23, 14 8:55 AM
No, my missive was clearly directed at phil and you thought it was directed at you. I never said a thing about you and/or computers. Point was, and is, that 21' is considered a lethal threat from anyone with a knife.


Because, Like you, I do not know if the perp was a threat to others in the area.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 23, 14 1:15 PM
The 35.4 Percent:of US 109,631,000 on Welfare
August 20, 2014 , 4:35 AM

109,631,000 Americans lived in households that received benefits from one or more federally funded programs

Also known as welfare, as of the fourth quarter of 2012, according to data released Tuesday by the Census Bureau.
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 20, 14 12:44 PM
Welfare is not the only federally funded program.

Are you really trying to claim that more than a third of America is on Welfare?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 20, 14 8:58 PM
YES
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 20, 14 11:02 PM
.... "BACK TO BUSINESS"
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 21, 14 11:44 AM
Some food for thought:

A Cop's take on Ferguson
by Militant Apathy

As I watch the events in Ferguson Missouri I can't help but think about my own time in law enforcement and just how much I've changed since I wore the badge.

It's only been a few years but seems like a lifetime ago. I would come in to work and feel like I could make a difference in this world. Back then when I lined up for roll call, I would look around me and see a squad room full of diverse personalities ...more
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 21, 14 2:14 PM
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why don't you go start your occupy communist everyone is even steven redistribution of wealth society on some island somewhere and leave the people of the fine country alone
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 22, 14 9:09 PM
WHY? Because you're apparently not that well versed in the founding of this country, and likely are part of the problem. There was no such thing as the "middling sorts" before this country existed. One thing the "middling sorts" highly valued was the egalitarian status of their newly formed country. If you can't get a clue, I'll loan you the money to buy one, or a book you can learn from...



"When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed ...more
Aug 23, 14 5:09 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, let's not forget Democratic Republicanism which was also highly valued after the casting of off the Oligarchical rule which was the British monarchy and it's incestuous relationship with the Dutch East India Company. Rather reminiscent of our current Congress...
By Mr. Z (11677), North Sea on Aug 23, 14 5:09 AM
Phil said... then the police are the bad guys ...

The force you are refering to were not police, they were feds, BLM to be percise...

The 10th amendment gives the sheriff the power over that situation not "Harry's Hero's"

Bundy was not perfect but We The People handed the Feds there hat and said don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Hoo Ra

By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 22, 14 9:50 PM
yea, I agree not cool
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 24, 14 8:49 PM
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FBI, Homeland Security Bulletin Asks Police To Be Aware Of ISIS

See Obama, its ISIS, ISIS * NOT ISIL * "I S I S" ! now get it right!

BOSTON (CBS/AP) – Federal authorities sent a bulletin to U.S. law enforcement Friday in light of the threat concerning militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), according to CBS News.
The bulletin from the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI cites no known threat to the U.S. homeland, but reminds law enforcement ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 22, 14 10:53 PM
This administrations insistent use of the acronym “ISIL” to describe the Sunni forces rampaging across Iraq is a joke

No one referred to ISIL until obama began using the term, It stands for Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. When obama used the term 5 times on June13, and 16 times in his speech on June 19th, obviously using his bully pulpit to make a point.

Most continue to use the widely accepted acronym ISIS, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or al-Sham, but ...more
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 23, 14 12:05 AM
The difference is the Levant describes a territory far greater than simply Iraq and Syria. It’s defined as this: The Levant today consists of the island of Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, and part of southern Turkey.

So why would obama prefer ISIL? An “army” of that territorial magnitude takes the focus off the two countries that many believe define obama’s continued failure in the Middle East. Most likely, he would rather eliminate the connection ...more
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 23, 14 12:06 AM
Thank you for making sense of that, I was wondering what the h was going on.
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 23, 14 11:52 AM
to joe hampton:

This novel, but wholly unsupported and biased notion was expressed at the start of an article by Liz Peek of the Fiscal Times (to provide the accreditation which you once more omitted.) It is complete nonsense. She simply used it as a hook to lead people into reading her discursive (and also completely unsupported) disparagement of the administration's performance in the Middle East generally.

The fact is that it was the Associated Press which announced months ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 23, 14 1:56 PM
You full of it, I have read and heard Joe's description everywhere on this topic. Obama looks like a fool in a playground (or golf coarse) with this ISIL garbage. give it up the only people calling them ISIL besides Obama are MSNBC Obama Hacks, Eric Holder and Marie Harf,

Can they remind us again that ISIL is just a JV team ?

Appalling how this administration refuses to deal with reality!
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 23, 14 7:12 PM
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Never heard of her...
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Aug 24, 14 8:50 PM
On the Friday broadcast of “The McLaughlin Group,” predictions were made that President Obama would grant amnesty to illegal immigrants via executive order by Labor Day and that such an action would “set the country completely on fire.”

How did we reach a situation where the biggest threat to this nation's survival is the president?
By Undocumented Democrat (2040), southampton on Aug 23, 14 6:44 PM
Simple , Americans elected a community agitator with no respect for the law or the constitution, His stated goals from the very beginning included fundamentally transforming the country, To bad so many were not paying attention at the time!

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his ...more
By They call me (2795), southampton on Aug 23, 14 7:04 PM
to They call me:

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"You full of it, I have read and heard Joe's description everywhere on this topic. Obama looks like a fool in a playground (or golf coarse) with this ISIL garbage. give it up the only people calling them ISIL besides Obama are MSNBC Obama Hacks, Eric Holder and Marie Harf,"
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That's the "They call me" we know! Don't pay attention to objective data, just go with the viscera.

While this ...more
By highhatsize (4184), East Quogue on Aug 23, 14 9:16 PM