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Town Board Rejects First Draft Of Canoe Place Inn Report

Publication: The Southampton Press
By Michael Wright   Jan 23, 2013 12:01 PM
Jan 23, 2013 12:45 PM

The Southampton Town Board on Tuesday night rejected the draft environmental impact statement presented by the developers proposing an ambitious commercial and residential project that would span both sides of the Shinnecock Canal in Hampton Bays.

At the urging of members of the town’s Planning Department, the board ruled that the environmental impact statement for the proposed renovation and expansion of the Canoe Place Inn and an accompanying waterfront condominium development on the east side of the canal was incomplete. The document must now be revisited by the developers before the town will begin considering the merits of creating a planned development district, a special overlay zoning designation required to free the proposal from current zoning restrictions.

The project calls for the renovation of the historic building into an inn and catering facility, and the construction of 40 townhouses along the east side of the canal, where two restaurants currently are located. The development is being proposed by R Squared LLC, a company formed by cousins Gregg and Mitchell Rechler.

A memo to the Town Board from Planning and Development Administrator Kyle Collins regarding the environmental impact statement noted that the submitted report did not provide an analysis of and comparison with the proposal of potential alternate uses for the property, including those that would be allowed under the current zoning. It also did not sufficiently address a number of details about the conceptual plan being proposed, regarding grading, wetlands, parking and impact on community character.

“The big things here are, they didn’t give us a yield map of what the ultimate build-out would be, compared to what is proposed,” Mr. Collins said. “They attempted to do that, but it was not adequate—let’s put it that way.”

The rejection of an initial environmental impact statement draft is not an unusual occurrence. Mr. Collins noted that most drafts are deemed incomplete by planners on their initial submission. Mr. Collins said some consultants will simply submit their document, even though it is still a work in progress, so that they can start gathering feedback from town planners on various facets of their work. He would not speculate, however, whether Nelson, Pope & Voorhis, the engineering firm preparing the environmental impact statement for the Rechlers, had taken such a tack with the Canoe Place Inn application.

Engineers for the company could not be immediately reached for comment on Wednesday.

On the basis of Mr. Collins’s recommendation, the Town Board unanimously rejected the document without comment.

“With something like this, when they say it is incomplete, we just send it back,” Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst said. “It doesn’t mean the project is not heading down the right road, it just means they’re not ready for our review yet.”

The consultants for the developers will now go back to the drawing board, with a fresh set of notes from the town planners, and continue work on the document. There is no deadline for their submission of the plan, and the work is paid for entirely by the developer.

An environmental impact statement typically looks at a wide range of impacts caused by proposed projects, from traffic and infrastructure issues to environmental concerns and changes to community character.

The plan to redevelop the Canoe Place Inn and construct the condos has been in the making for more than two years. The Rechlers, who had initially proposed tearing down the old inn and replacing it with a condo development, proposed the townhouses as an adjunct to saving and restoring the Canoe Place Inn, which became a cause for some Hampton Bays residents after it fell into severe disrepair. The shift in their plans, although far more ambitious, turned the Rechlers from pariahs to saviors in the eyes of many who had pleaded with the town to save the Canoe Place Inn.

Along with the 40 townhouses, the proposed canal-side development would include a 20-slip private marina, a public waterfront boardwalk and a septic treatment system placed on land on the east side of North Road that is also owned by the Rechlers.

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someone just light a match and burn the thing down please.
By whambulance123 (9), Southampton on Jan 23, 13 1:12 PM
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Except for the fact that this is technically an incitement to arson, whambulance has nailed it. The CPI is an eyesore that gives new meaning to the term "white elephant" and the Rechlers' proposal gives new meaning to "pig in a poke." Preserving this ruin is not worth letting the Rechlers put up a Johnny-On-The-Spot across the canal, much less 40 condos.
By Turkey Bridge (1071), Quiogue on Jan 28, 13 1:52 PM
This proposed project will bring in more suffering to Hampton Bays. 40 townhouses in an area of less than 2 acres. You have to be kidding me that the ZBA, Town Board, etc...would support this on the most dangerous road (North Road) of Hampton Bays where cars reach up to 55 mph. To make it more classy, Rechlers will build a 'public waterfront boardwalk'? How is that going to happen? What public? And do we need another bar/catering hall boozing up people till the late night hours? How about ...more
By Rechler (3), southampton on Jan 23, 13 1:16 PM
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Rechler? Seriously? Do you think people are going to think that the people proposing this project are against it? LOL
By bb (433), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 2:21 PM
Sounds like everyone on this Board grew up watching Happy Days and Leave it to Beaver! BB...the only people supporting this project are those Hampton Bays residents still waiting for there date to pick them up in front of their home for the Cotillion. This is what CPI provided many moons ago and it wont be the same. Time will tell...watch Riverhead and Flanders residents coming to HB by the droves. By the time this project is finished...the entire aging HB Civic Association board who pushed ...more
By Rechler (3), southampton on Jan 24, 13 9:43 AM
you have a problem with Riverhead and Flanders residents?
By bb (433), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 11:12 AM
I will use your own quote from 2009...

"No, our hamlet does not need more condos. Condos are quick and easy for the developers. They build them, then get a property manager in to run them. They do not care about the impact on the surrounding area. There has got to be a middle ground where they can succeed and still be an asset to the town.

Besides, there are petitions by many of the motels in the area to turn into condos. This is only one plan. Our hamlet can not shoulder anymore ...more
By Rechler (3), southampton on Jan 24, 13 2:41 PM
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Consistent? Three years ago I said that the Inn shouldn't be taken down and replaced with condos. I still think that is true. What's inconsistent about that? LOL

This was in reference to taking down the Inn and building timeshares/condos on that site. There was no discussion about the east side because it had not yet been purchased. My quote, which by the way I'm actually flattered that you remember my words - referred to the Inn and only the Inn property.

With this plan, ...more
By bb (433), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 4:41 PM
Very happy to read this - it means that whoever is @ the wheel is not asleep. While it's basic preliminary stuff, it goes to show that Kyle Collins and staff have been given good direction on this and have not been instructed to rush anything through or say yes at any cost.

Let's hope that when the document is submitted in its complete form, that the TB will realize there are major environmental concerns associated with this project and that it's more over-development in Hampton Bays, ...more
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 2:12 PM
Now if only they would have followed through on the "Stop Work Order" that was issued for the so called "Church" being built on Montauk Hwy in HB. How do you have a piece of property clear cut, a building renovated into a Church, a Stop Work Order issued, and it keeps going?

they have many more T's to cross and I's to dot.
By bb (433), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 2:24 PM
BB, is that what is going up at the old florist prop?
By dnice (1314), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 2:54 PM
I haven't heard anything...have you?
By bb (433), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 10:23 PM
No, a boat place is going in.
By Ref11 (10), hampton bays on Jan 23, 13 11:14 PM
as in a resale boat showroom?
By bb (433), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 7:53 AM
Hampton Bays has been turning into a dump for the last decade. These 40 units will be city people paying high taxes and using no services. That will be a huge plus to the tax base of Hampton Bays not to mention a cleanup of two blights.
The downtown of Hampton Bays has half the stores with spanish names, and plenty of vacant buildings.The downtown is starking to look like a third world nation. The residents of Hampton Bays should be begging people like Rechler to dump money into Hampton Bays. ...more
By chief1 (1235), southampton on Jan 23, 13 5:05 PM
Chief, the only concern I would have is that much waste(septic) being put into the ground so close to the water. Can't say if it will be more or less than is happening now but seems to me that it could be a lot.
By dnice (1314), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 5:08 PM
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By But I'm a blank! (734), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 2:49 PM
The waste water would be less. They need a sewage treatment plant which means they actually have to truck any untreated bi products away from the sewage plant. Hampton Bays has the best waterfront of all the Hamptons and can be beautiful, but the old bittys have been holding it back for decades and it is starting to show.
By chief1 (1235), southampton on Jan 23, 13 6:50 PM
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Chief:

You state, "The downtown of Hampton Bays has half the stores with spanish names". What's wrong with that? Not "American" enough for you? Any credibility to have (or want people to think you have) gets thrown out the window with that comment. By your logic, only businesses with names in english should be allowed to open up? It's a free market and I've got no problem with it. Other villages have plenty of places with names in French - is that cool with you Chief?

What ...more
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 8:03 PM
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Nature you're correct... the condos in them self will not drive out the blight... but it is a start. The real solution is in the very thing you fear (The High property taxes themselves) That is what will really clean up the town and drive out the rat holes you are talking about Chief.

Nothing in this world is for nothing if you want to clean up HB then step up and Incorporate... seize the control so many of you desire.

But before you can have a Mayor Scotto ~Chuckle~ you will ...more
By joe hampton (1745), south hampton on Jan 24, 13 10:35 AM
Mayor Scotto would be awesome... free pizza for everyone! A pizza pension plan! Mmm...
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 11:16 AM
Development, and exploitation are two distinctly different entities.
By Mr. Z (6056), North Sea on Jan 24, 13 2:52 PM
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Chief states: "The waste water would be less. They need a sewage treatment plant which means they actually have to truck any untreated bi products away from the sewage plant."

Less than what? The amount of waste generated from two vacant buildings, a restaurant and a seasonal restaurant? I think not. The catering hall/inn alone would result in more waste water year round than what results from the current use - not even counting the proposed condos.

And physical waste needs ...more
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 26, 13 11:15 PM
Can't wait for Tide Runners to close.
Too much noise, laws never enforced.
Give me a village.
By bluelightning (8), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 8:56 PM
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By bluelightning (8), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 8:56 PM
If they are going to renovate that CPI dump, have them do it first before they build those 40 condos. Because you know what will happen after they build the condos? "I'm sorry but we are out of money and just can't do anything with that dump across the canal now!" IMO just let them build where the CPI is now and leave the east side of the canal alone. It is now public and can be enjoyed by all.
As compared to the "public boardwalk" which you know the condo/city people will soon object to us ...more
By pcone (14), hampton bays on Jan 24, 13 8:45 AM
Actually pcone the plan is that the Rechlers will build and the complete the Inn before they start on the townhouses. Not sure who "we" is and why you are out of money, nor what it has to do with the developers. They own the property on the east side of the canal. They are entitled to build on it. They will build on it. What they build is all that is left up in the air. If the town votes against their plan, they will, legally, build on both sites.

As far the public access, this ...more
By bb (433), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 11:01 AM
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He was speaking on behalf of the Rechler's - implying that they will build the condos, then say they can't afford to re-do CPI. Not defending his point, just explaining.

Yes, they're entitled to build on both sides - I'm not one to say "save CPI and the restaurants!" because they have property rights. But, they don't have a "right" to a PDD. They can develop both sides as per the existing zoning - no one is stopping them from doing that. What they're trying to do is greedy and not in ...more
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 11:20 AM
oh, got it. so he thinks that someone is going to believe Rechlers will say they have no money? LOL clever. How would leaving the property on the west side empty possibly be economically wise? Had they wanted to do that, they could have just bought the east side and built what they wanted! smart. let's buy property and do nothing with it.

When was the last time that piece of land flooded? seriously, if it is a "flood zone' why is anyone allowed to build there? Not to mention, ...more
By bb (433), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 11:45 AM
It's amazing Nature you are a resident of Hampton Bays and so clueless. The Hampton Bays downtown is not called the spanish section it is downtown Hampton Bays. Ask the average citizen if they think the neon spanish signs of money wiring and Bodegas looks nice. You seem to be worried about developers making money more than anything. Maybe you should mind your business and let these guys improve Hampton Bays. Why dont you use your energy and get rid of the hundreds of houses in Hampton Bays that ...more
By chief1 (1235), southampton on Jan 24, 13 1:52 PM
I'm not clueless - I just have a different opinion than you. So it's NOT ok for spanish speaking people to open businesses directed at a spanish speaking market, but it IS ok for developers to abuse our land and natural resources to serve the local millionaire's who are willing to drop crazy money on a condo because it's on the OTHER side of the canal?

Remember that project on Canoe Place Road, up the hill from the marina? Motel to Condo conversion? It's a great project, I've got nothing ...more
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 2:40 PM
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It would be fine for Spanish speaking people to open businesses if there customer base were here legally, But most of them are not!

"Millionaire's who are willing to drop crazy money on a condo because it's on the EAST side of the canal?

" You sound so envious all the time.

They wanted to build it on the West side of the canal you supported blocking that luxury complex and refurbishing the CPI, and now you say you say this your nuts.
By Undocumented Democrat (605), southampton on Jan 24, 13 4:32 PM
woah woah woah - check my record. never ever have i supported refurbishment of CPI in place of anything. I've many a times stated it should be knocked down.

Where's your proof "they" are illegal? Yea yea, we all "know" a lot of them are, but there's no proof, so it makes you sound like a bigot (or worse).

Not envious, I have no problem with the free market, with the billionaires and millionaires. I have a problem when it comes at the cost of our community, our resources ...more
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 5:07 PM
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Chief - I just want to make sure I understand your logic, so please, bear with me.

Scottos (owned by Italian-American) and their neon pizza signs = OK
Orlando's Cafe (owned by hispanic-Americans) = Not OK

7-11 (owned by, well, probably not born and bred Americans) = OK
"Bodega" (owned by hispanic-Americans) = Not OK

Buckley's Inn-Between (owned by Irish-American) = OK
El Rincon Latino (owned by hispanic-American) = Not OK

Matsulin (owned by Asian-American) ...more
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 7:57 PM

there are sign laws in sh town. everyone should follow them. one of them is that only a certain amount of a window can be covered with paper signs. it doesn't matter who owns the building...it matters that they follow the laws. signs are to be permanent, the code enforcers don't do much enforcing in hb.
By bb (433), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 8:23 PM
Have you filed a complaint about signs at a specific business? Every time I've filed a complaint it's been dealt with and rectified. It's (ironically) not code enforcements job - it's the building inspectors and there's only 1 building inspector tasked with it (in addition to his standard duties)
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 9:14 PM
We used to have a sign inspector....Harriet Tuthill. We didn't have a problem. I don't recall who it was before that, but it used to be one designated person. Yes I have mentioned them. Some of them have been there for years. There is one restaurant on west montauk that at one time had at least 5 different signs outside their building, metal ones, plywood, I'd be surprised if any were legal.

By bb (433), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 9:46 PM
the reichlers must have rocks in their skulls. Hampton bays is over run with illegals and is loaded with fine establishments like the Boardy Barn and Neptunes. It's a dump that needs to be cleaned up to attract the very people that nature and Z despise. The wealthy can provide the tax base and their dollars can help stimulate the local economy.
By razza5350 (1516), East Hampton on Jan 27, 13 7:17 AM
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Ordinarily those who are ignorant, or "clueles" of modern fiat currency economics, and it's societally detrimental function pull the "envy card".

Maybe we should start working with real numbers, and not playing with calculus copulae. That's moreover the reason towns across this nation, and hamlets like Hampton Bays are "overcrowded and falling apart".
Jan 29, 13 7:41 AM appended by Mr. Z
If you haven't seen the documentary "End of the Road: How Money Became Worthless", you need to. Should you indulge, you will probably understand everything I have been saying for years....
By Mr. Z (6056), North Sea on Jan 27, 13 7:41 AM
Razz - again, I never once said the sites shouldn't be developed. I only said that they shouldn't get a PDD and shouldn't get 10 units/acre (especially on a site that has the potential to impact not just Shinnecock but Peconic Bay as well.... that's pretty impressive.

I welcome the rich and the wealthy to my Town and have seen many nice projects and big beautiful homes built. But at a reasonable cost - not "any" cost.

Again I point to the motel to condo conversion on Canoe Place ...more
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 27, 13 9:48 AM
Tide Runners owned by 5 local white dudes who have created such a diverse fun, family of employees from all over the world.
By Preserve Community (2), Hampton bays on Jun 6, 13 12:40 PM
Gold is a tool to travel the stars. It is not a shiny object to be coveted.
By Mr. Z (6056), North Sea on Jan 24, 13 4:15 PM
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At 1685.75 I'll Covert my gold a while longer... Go spread your ideology on a different thread we are talking about real stuff on this one mr z
By Undocumented Democrat (605), southampton on Jan 24, 13 4:26 PM
Seems at least two people enjoyed it, and possibly saw the deeper meaning of it.
By Mr. Z (6056), North Sea on Jan 27, 13 7:16 AM
Not for nothing... At least I can afford to shop in my own town... I cannot shop in W. Hamp, S. Hamp, E. Hamp... Downtown HB looks just fine...
By Soundview (87), Hampton bays on Jan 24, 13 4:55 PM
Just an FYI -- an old trick of developers is to propose something outrageously out of place with the intent of riling up the residents and allowing the zoning board to look like it's on the side of the residents when they reject it. The next step is to reduce the size of the project drastically and get what they really wanted in the first place. Remember the proposal for 200 shops in Water Mill? The developer knew that was a ridiculous proposal. When all the fuss died down, he got what he wanted ...more
By btdt (263), water mill on Jan 24, 13 4:55 PM
Excellent point - something I've seen all too often and it happens on small scale projects as well. Someone proposes a 15,000 square foot home on 1/4 acre, then "compromises" at 10,000 and the people think they've won
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 5:03 PM
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Really you have seen someone apply for a 15,000 sq ft house on a quarter acre? A quarter acre is only 10,000 sq ft did you ever hear of set backs or lot coverage? Where are these homes? Just another example of you making things up just like the sewage treatment plant that will pollute the canal. LOL. We don't need the hundreds of construction jobs or hundreds of catering jobs because OBama will take care of you. Stop worrying about peoples money and what they are doing. If you don't like it buy ...more
By chief1 (1235), southampton on Jan 24, 13 8:01 PM
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5,000 square foot basement + 5,000 square foot main floor, + 5,000 square foot second floor = 15,000 square feet. 5,000 square foot footprint. Was it hyperbole? Sure, but it's not that extreme.

Not sure why you think I love Obama or think Obama will "take care of me". I don't have a problem with them knocking that dump down, I don't have a problem with them closing the restaurants. I don't have a problem with them building their as-of-right - I have a problem with them demanding a ...more
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 9:13 PM
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Btw Chief - I don't make stuff up. Private STP's in Suffolk County routinely violate the standards for nitrogen-nitrate discharge. You can look at the monthly discharges for STP's and find that more often than not, these privately run systems run afoul of the County's standards. Problem is the County doesn't have the $$ or time to enforce it, and enforcement usually comes in the form of "next month you better be in compliance or else!" So to say that an STP doesn't pollute the water is just ...more
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 9:21 PM
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Hey Nature why is it ok for you to have a septic system spilling nitrates into the ground? Why don't you bulldoze your house and set up a tent with a porta potty if your a true tree hugger? Nope, everyone else has to clean up their property and worry about pollution.
By chief1 (1235), southampton on Jan 26, 13 3:17 PM
Chief - it's simple. Science was used to determine the amount of land required for my house to handle the approximate 300/gpd (of which I use much less). What the applicant is asking for is way beyond the carrying capacity of the land it's proposed on - and it's not as of right. I have no problem with them developing as-of-right, but they're not. And unless they are buying pine barrens credits (haven't seen that they proposed to do so yet) then they shouldn't be allowed such high density simply ...more
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 26, 13 11:08 PM
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By local 84 (160), riverhead on Jan 24, 13 7:49 PM
Tell em local!!
By dnice (1314), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 13 9:57 PM
Sorry I missed that.

Could you reiterate in a manner that won't warrant "red ink"?
By Mr. Z (6056), North Sea on Jan 26, 13 9:59 AM
The Canoe Place Inn has neither architectural merit nor historical value. It's renown was due to the clientele that patronized it in the '20s. Those folks are all dead now and their memory and the memory of their presence at the Inn can best be preserved in writing rather than in indifferent wood and stone.

Restoring the Inn in exchange for allowing the Rechlers to put more residences on fewer square feet is a bad idea and a bad deal for Hampton Bays and Southampton Town.

Moreover, ...more
By highhatsize (2045), East Quogue on Jan 27, 13 1:57 AM
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HHS. I read your pro opinion on the child molester.ANYTHING you say has zero merit.
By razza5350 (1516), East Hampton on Jan 27, 13 7:20 AM
"there are a string of unsuccessful small motels on West Tiana"

No one wants to stay in outdated dumps any more HH
By 27dan (937), Southampton on Jan 28, 13 7:50 AM
The "like" from me was in error. Your opinion of the historical value of the inn is certainly not shared by all nor is your opinion of the projected economic success of the project. I'd guess you would have scoffed even louder at the prospect of a Hyatt being built on Main St. in Riverhead. The Rechler organization is far better equipped than you to make decisions regarding profitability.

It seems you either can't or refuse to understand the projected market they envision. There is ...more
By VOS (589), WHB on Jan 28, 13 1:12 PM
So, now he's a "child molester"?

Maybe we should save the screenshot of that comment, so the slander suit can finance his life after he gets out of prison.

Some of you people are the WORST evolution has to offer "humanity".
By Mr. Z (6056), North Sea on Jan 28, 13 9:02 PM
to razza5350:

Lies and misdirection. Tea Party core values.

By highhatsize (2045), East Quogue on Jan 27, 13 12:09 PM
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After your pro Jay comment your going to teach the rest of us values. Thats funny stuff.
By 27dan (937), Southampton on Jan 28, 13 7:56 AM
Looking for a legal loophole or seeking an explanation for a sick mans action is the sign of a true wacko..
By razza5350 (1516), East Hampton on Jan 29, 13 6:21 AM
to 27day:

A lie does not become truer with repetition, a fact that right-wing extremist like you and your colleague, razza5350, cannot seem to comprehend.

Here's a thought, should you have one, post it on the thread to whose subject it is relevant.
By highhatsize (2045), East Quogue on Jan 28, 13 12:10 PM
High Hat Size, Just because you somehow got your disgusting comments about Jay Sears being arrested on Child Porn Charges removed from patch. Does not mean you somehow did not say them. Your comments were very disturbing and I think a fair number of people say them before they magically disappeared. I saved the screen shot along with the patch info, I will not re post them but be warned sir, You are on record and better stay far away from my children.
Jan 28, 13 6:29 PM appended by They call me
Meow
By They call me (971), southampton on Jan 28, 13 6:29 PM
To They call me:

Yours is the second reference that I have read to a post that I allegedly made on the Jay Sears thread on Patch. I made no such post. In fact, I have not commented at all about this case on Patch. I assume that an impostor who wished to discredit me made a deplorable comment therein under my nom d'internet. (Apparently easy to do on Patch as I recall a previous incident involving another poster. In that case, the editor deleted the fraudulent posts and explained his ...more
By highhatsize (2045), East Quogue on Jan 29, 13 12:05 AM
1. I think your post on this site was way off base.
2. I thought the post on The Patch was borderline insanity and highly offensive. If you didn't post it I apologize but somehow I'm not sure if I believe you.
By razza5350 (1516), East Hampton on Jan 29, 13 6:26 AM
What fascinates me, what impresses me, is that highhatsize is interested in the substance of the impostor's post, but he's at least equally "curious to see what passed stylistically for something that I might have written." Agree with him or not, there'll always be a highhat, and that's fine with me.
By Turkey Bridge (1071), Quiogue on Jan 29, 13 9:48 PM
Sounds like you would be fascinated by a hamster running around a wheel
By They call me (971), southampton on Jan 31, 13 12:05 PM
If you haven't seen the documentary "End of the Road: How Money Became Worthless", you need to. Should you indulge, you will probably understand everything I have been saying for years.

The conditions we face are because of a private cartel. This "development" is looked on as necessary because it can bring revenue to the community. Are you in desperation yet? What is left to sell out?

Just look at the peaceful, open area that has become a constricted, overpopulated disaster ...more
By Mr. Z (6056), North Sea on Jan 29, 13 5:30 PM
This country was built because a King said no land rights. Who the hell are you to say these people have no rights on their land to build a condo? Buy the land and condemn it if you would like it that way. Don't punish succes or this country will continue its path to a welfare state. And for Gods sake stop copying pages off the web and posting them. Oh I forgot your not very bright.
By chief1 (1235), southampton on Jan 29, 13 7:29 PM
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You know nothing of the Revolution, or the economics of the late 18th century. You know even less about John Locke, or the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania's Constitutional convention. Your brief blurbs, which I do rarely agree with but do not "Like" so as to encourage you speak volumes of your "brightness". Pulling the "punish success" card, is just as worthy as the "class envy" card. You should really be filmed for the "Tea Partiers unedited" on YouTube. You'd probably get a million hits.

You ...more
Jan 29, 13 9:15 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, just FYI, Ethan Allen ain't just furniture...
By Mr. Z (6056), North Sea on Jan 29, 13 9:15 PM
Very impresive there Z man... breaking out the Michio Kaku
By joe hampton (1745), south hampton on Jan 30, 13 10:13 AM
It's just terribly unfair that this awful, despicable country has failed to recognize your brilliance and install you as supreme leader.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jan 30, 13 12:00 PM
That's the Kardashev scale joe.

By Mr. Z (6056), North Sea on Jan 30, 13 1:36 PM
to razza5350:

Quote: " I thought the post on The Patch was borderline insanity and highly offensive."

Your description makes me all the more eager to read it. Hopefully, "They call me" will revisit this thread eventually and comply with my request to post it.

Since I assume that the fraudulent post is a product of one of the semi-literate, foaming-at-the-mouth reactionaries who frequent that board, I am anxious to see if there is enough text therein to pinpoint the author ...more
By highhatsize (2045), East Quogue on Jan 30, 13 12:08 AM
HH You think pretty highly of yourself. Calling anyone who disagrees with you a tea bagger, a right wing extremist, a liar, and semi-literate.! Keep defending Sears and keep trying to justify yourself. You are a real class act
By razza5350 (1516), East Hampton on Jan 30, 13 10:26 AM
I tried on the other tread but SHP will not allow it. It does not matter like Joe said your comments were no worse the the repulsive point of view you exhibited here a day later.

But your a Democrat. Nothing to see here. No problem.

Kind of like D Bag Sen. Bob Menendez Maybe now you can go party with him and little Anthony Weiner.

FBI raids West Palm Beach office tied to U.S. Sen. Bob Menendez

The FBI raided the office of a South Florida eye doctor who last year ...more
By They call me (971), southampton on Jan 30, 13 10:46 AM
If the shoe fits, razza.
By witch hazel (185), tatooine on Jan 30, 13 11:04 AM
Saw it on patch as well... wish I had saved it. Thing is Hat it was very similar to what you posted here and I must say a bit disturbing... Why would you defend this guys actions and question the way he was treated... when there were actual locale kids, children he has personally had contact with involved.

The post had your avatar as well
By joe hampton (1745), south hampton on Jan 30, 13 10:21 AM
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Probably the same moral objectivity that allows Columbus Day to be a holiday, and defends the Robber Barons despite the fact they were responsible for the deaths of thousands via poor working conditions, no defense from indian raids, and the normal basics that allow some to prosper at the expense of the industrious, and working class of a society.
By Mr. Z (6056), North Sea on Jan 30, 13 1:40 PM
Z, so its OK For Sears to take pictures of children from our community and morph their pictures onto other people engaged in lewd acts for his own personnal sexual satisfaction because Columbus day is a holiday? What is your point or are you just babbling nonsense as usual.
By razza5350 (1516), East Hampton on Jan 30, 13 4:39 PM
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No. Columbus was a murdering, slaving, genocidal man who once the acts he incited were finished with, and almost no gold recovered for it, left not one Arawak Indian in existence. Moral objectivity allows such truths to be disregarded, and such people to be celebrated. Justifying heinous acts because the end justifies the means in some manner it would seem. That same objectivity is what one would use to defend Mr. Sears. See the segue?

Paul Simon wisely once lyricized:
"Still, ...more
By Mr. Z (6056), North Sea on Jan 30, 13 6:05 PM
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By razza5350 (1516), East Hampton on Jan 31, 13 7:07 AM
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Nope. And that's official. Including the assessment of a very well respected parapsychologist.

Maybe you should pick up a copy of some of Emmanuel Kant's work. It's been described as enlightening over the years.
By Mr. Z (6056), North Sea on Jan 31, 13 9:30 AM
But MLK was GREAT MAN!
By They call me (971), southampton on Jan 31, 13 12:01 PM
to They call me & joe hampton:

I have written to the Patch editor. He has no record or recollection of the fraudulent post; did not delete it himself; and doubts its existence, as do I.

I can hardly respond to comments about a post that I have never seen.

Essentially, my opinion about the Sears case is that his behavior was harmless and should not be a crime, nor should any private perversions that affect no one other than the actor and inanimate objects.

Unfortunately, ...more
By highhatsize (2045), East Quogue on Jan 31, 13 1:12 PM
You keep assuming that the published facts are ALL of the facts. It is too early to make a call on the other value judgments stated IMO. Surprising that a mind as sharp as yours misses the clear and impatient rush to a conclusion of innocence. TBD.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Jan 31, 13 1:20 PM
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to PBR:

"I" assume no such thing. On the contrary, it is YOU who are rushing to judgment based on your presumption of greater crimes. Your, "no smoke without fire", comment testifies to this prejudice.

Certain facts have been alleged. Let's confine our opinions to those rather than admit SWAG speculation.
By highhatsize (2045), East Quogue on Jan 31, 13 3:27 PM
Hey HighHat, one question:

If there is actual case law (as described in numerous articles) which defend the position that morphing is, in fact, illegal, we should for some reason ignore what this man did? It's a crime - doesn't matter if YOU think it isn't, you're not a judge (though you may play one on 27east).

In your "professional" opinion, what should law enforcement have done when this information was brought to their attention?
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 13 3:47 PM
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Most of my comments on this case have used words such as "may," "could," or asked open-ended questions. The statement about smoke/fire used the adjective "often," and was by NO means a "judgment," rather a suggestion that YOUR pronouncements were the result of myopic tunnel vision IMO, by assuming (why do I have to repeat this for the third or fourth time?) that NO OTHER facts will come to light.

Really, one could begin to wonder what appears to happening to your normally sharp mind.

Thank ...more
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Jan 31, 13 3:50 PM
Hat, Why obfuscate your position with the patch mystery, Just explain your bizarre defense of this sickos stalking locale children.

You and Mr Z strangely comparing human nature to the times of Caligula combined with your lack of concern for these Innocent real children is very disturbing.

It would seem to indicate, in less than an assumption that you've had no children of your own.
By joe hampton (1745), south hampton on Jan 31, 13 4:22 PM
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Good grief, never had the thought that HHS reproduced!! What a scare!!
By But I'm a blank! (734), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 13 5:09 PM
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[facepalm]
By Mr. Z (6056), North Sea on Jan 31, 13 8:26 PM
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to joe hampton:

My reason is straight forward. I oppose criminalization of the suspect's behavior, first, because that behavior as he intended it is harmless (solitary perversion hurting no children and in no way encouraging the spread of child pornography,) and, second, because criminalizing that behavior infringes the suspect's 1st and 4th Amendment rights.

For the same reason, I oppose both the “breathalyzer statutes” which completely vitiate the 5th Amendment, ...more
By highhatsize (2045), East Quogue on Feb 1, 13 12:51 AM
As soon as you find "The right to drive an automobile" in the Bill of Rights, then you can make the statement that to use a breatalyzer is a violation if the 2nd and 5th Amendments.
By But I'm a blank! (734), Hampton Bays on Feb 1, 13 1:33 PM
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But HH - you DO admit that Mr. Sears did (allegedly) commit a crime which has been held up in the courts and is based on case law. So you want prosecutors charged with protecting you and I and the rest of this County/State/Country to get something like this and say "yea, well this guy likes to do this for fun, but I'm going to let it slide - and continue to let him take pictures of children and manipulate them". Right. Then when he goes beyond what he's done (which, if true, is a CRIME) I'm sure ...more
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Feb 1, 13 2:38 PM
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to But Ilm a blank!

Driving an automobile is a privilege; the prohibition of coerced self-incrimination is a RIGHT (the 5th one, to be specific.)
Feb 1, 13 3:31 PM appended by highhatsize
to Nature: (I didn't see your post until after I had replied to But I'm a blank. I've used up my 2 for today. Hence this appendage.) It is within the prosecutor's discretion to allow this case to slide. On the basis of the facts presented, that's what he should have done. If there is reason to believe that the suspect would engage in more serious criminality; in behavior that would actually harm a child, then the filing of charges is appropriate, but that is SPECULATION. Your suggestion is purely speculative. It MAY be that when all the facts are revealed, it will turn out that the 2007 investigation produced similar evidence and that the suspect's failure to follow the terms of a deal that he agreed to then is the reason that he is being prosecuted now. However, if the actus reus was the same then as now, I would argue that he still should not be prosecuted since to do so harms children whereas another warning off does not.
By highhatsize (2045), East Quogue on Feb 1, 13 3:31 PM
HH - it is a backwards world that you live in if you think that throwing him in jail HARMS children. Whereas letting him continue to take pictures of children then use them for his own sick and nefarious purposes does NOT harm them.
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Feb 2, 13 7:41 AM
to Nature:

You have misunderstood. The harm occurs when innocent children are informed that they are the objects of sexual perversion as a result of the issuance of orders of protection. They would otherwise be blissfully unaware. If the orders have yet to be issued they should be cancelled since they are irrelevant and injurious.

Had a dump employee not fished the pictures from the suspect's garbage and brought them to the attention of the police, no harm would have been done. ...more
By highhatsize (2045), East Quogue on Feb 2, 13 1:46 PM
This article is about the Canoe Place Inn.

The Sears article is here, and a number of new ON-TOPIC comments have been made recently:

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/451532/FBI-Agents-Arrest-Architect-Jay-Sears-On-Child-Pornography-Charges
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Feb 2, 13 2:50 PM
Your absurd stance and defense on this topic forces me to finally realize you are not worthy of engaging in discussion with on this or any future topic. It's been real HHS.
By Nature (2544), Hampton Bays on Feb 2, 13 3:14 PM
to Nature:

["meow"]
By highhatsize (2045), East Quogue on Feb 2, 13 3:53 PM
Well then get your pompus posterior onto the US Supreme Court and let your bertheren and sisteren know!! Imagine, milliosn of lawyers around this country and only YOU can make this statement.
By But I'm a blank! (734), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 13 8:53 AM
Pretty sleazy point of view for someone who comes across so holier than now. Sound like we should keep our eye on you as well. wow
By Undocumented Democrat (605), southampton on Feb 4, 13 3:35 PM
On-topic comment on Sears case under that article.

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Feb 1, 13 7:16 AM
Just a thought. Yes down town Hampton Bays can use a face lift.
I've lived here for 15 years and have never seen any of the town area cleaned up, or paved roads. They did the Lilltle brick alley park walking path to nowhere right in the middle of town. What might have been a better idea would be to pave the path and extend it all the way into the pack woods of Red Creek park.
A bike path from the center of town, a safe cycling town could be the start to bringing more business down town. ...more
By Preserve Community (2), Hampton bays on Jun 6, 13 12:49 PM
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