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Dec 8, 2010 1:10 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Altschuler Concedes Congressional Race To Bishop

Dec 8, 2010 1:10 PM

Randy Altschuler, the Republican who challenged Democratic U.S. Representative Tim Bishop for election this year, conceded the hard-fought race on Wednesday morning, clearing the way for Mr. Bishop’s fifth term in office.

“After consulting with my family and campaign staff, I am ending my campaign and offering congratulations to Congressman Tim Bishop on his victory,” Mr. Altschuler is quoted as saying in a press release his campaign sent shortly after 9 a.m.

In a conference call with reporters from Washington, D.C., on Wednesday morning, Mr. Bishop said he was “delighted” with the outcome in an election year he likened to a “Category 5 hurricane leveled against Democratic incumbents.”

“I’m very pleased that the count has gone the way it has, and I’m very honored to continue to represent the 1st District of New York.”

The race had been in limbo in the weeks following Election Day on November 2, as election workers plodded through a hand count of approximately 13,000 absentee and affidavit ballots, and then campaign attorneys began to sort out approximately 2,000 of those ballots that were called into question by supporters of both candidates.

On Wednesday morning, with about 977 of those challenges still unresolved, Mr. Bishop led by a razor-thin margin of 263 votes, according to Mr. Altschuler’s campaign. In total, according to the press release, more than 194,000 votes were cast in the race, which remained the last undecided congressional race in the country until Mr. Altschuler’s concession.

“Although Newsday, The New York Times and the Bishop campaign have all called for a hand recount of all the ballots cast on Election Day, I will not support such an action, as I feel its cost will place an unnecessary burden on the taxpayers of Suffolk County,” Mr. Altschuler is quoted as saying. “This was a very close election, and I want to thank everyone who was involved.”

Mr. Altschuler, a business owner from St. James, spent more than $4 million of his own money in his attempt to unseat Mr. Bishop, according to campaign finance records.

The election was rife with twists and uncertainty. After polls closed on Election Day, unofficial results showed Mr. Bishop leading by about 3,500 votes, and poised to win reelection. But after the Suffolk County Board of Elections reviewed the results days later, it was revealed that election workers widely misreported results on Election Night, and Mr. Altschuler was actually in the lead—by fewer than 400 votes.

That lead eked away as election workers sifted through the absentee and affidavit ballots for a week in mid-November. The margin separating the two candidates was a mere 15 votes at one point, before Mr. Bishop overtook Mr. Altschuler during the counting process.

After the counting wrapped up on November 23, the election had hinged upon the approximately 2,000 contested ballots that were called into question due to issues of voter residency, signatures that were allegedly mismatched and envelopes that were not properly sealed, among a slew of other reasons. Campaign attorneys dropped several hundred challenges in a series of compromises, and a State Supreme Court justice began ruling on the remaining ones last week.

In a year when five other Democratic members of Congress from New York lost their jobs, Mr. Bishop called his victory “a validation” of his focus on solving the problems of individual constituents who seek his help, as well as his efforts “to bring the federal government to the table to solve local problems.”

At the same time, he acknowledged that his power will be diminished, because Republicans wrested control of the U.S. House of Representatives from Democrats on Election Day. For instance, he said the prospect of a $7 million earmark Southampton Town Councilman Chris Nuzzi asked him for, which would help the town pay for Dune Road to be raised in East Quogue and Hampton Bays, is likely “long gone.”

“I am now in the minority,” he said. “My job will be to do the best that I can using the relationships that I’ve developed and the seniority I’ve had over the last eight years to influence the legislation that will be written on the other side of the aisle.”

At one point before Mr. Bishop took the lead, his campaign requested a full hand recount of all the ballots cast on Election Day, citing the confusion over the initial results. But an audit of 3 percent of the electronic voting machines that were used for the first time this year uncovered no problems, according to the Board of Elections.

“This is a real lesson in civics,” Mr. Bishop said. “This truly makes the case that every vote counts.” He added that the Board of Elections will likely make changes to the process before next year, to avoid the reporting errors that happened on Election Night.

Mr. Altschuler is quoted as saying that the voters of Suffolk County “proved that every vote does count and why it is so important that all Americans participate in our electoral process.” He added that he intends “to play an active role in building the Republican and Conservative party voices in both Suffolk County and New York State.”

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A gracious concession. I would guess that the sample machine hand recount show no discrepancies and that is the reason he eschewed a complete hand recount. However, if there were ANY discrepancies, the full recount should be done to verify the accuracy of the new machines. (Remember, a number of uncounted ballots were found therein.)
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Dec 8, 10 10:47 AM
Thank GOD the people of District 1 did not succumb to the teabag insanity that has overtaken our country. And don't tell me he won by only a few hundred votes - in a political atmosphere that meant almost certain doom, sane people simply could not bring themselves to vote for a man who so brazenly outsourced our future.

Now, Mr. Bishop, vote no on the concession to republicans on tax breaks for those who don't need them and make the teabaggers/republicans defend their defense of the ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Dec 8, 10 10:49 AM
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Excuse me, your teabagging/republican party is responsible for this country's debt AND they have just voted to increase our debt by nearly 1 Trillion dollars in tax breaks to the top 2%, but you SUPPORT that? Captn, the words hypocritical dittohead know-nothing do not even begin to properly describe that policy and its supporters.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Dec 8, 10 1:37 PM
OK, Cap -- "FauxRazza" -- I like that.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Dec 8, 10 9:43 PM
Yeah, let them BUY the job $4,000,000--ya wanna talk rampant spending?
By Jean (76), whb on Dec 9, 10 12:43 AM
Bishop is a gem for our district. This decision comes as a great relief.
By Sandy Rapp (1), East Hampton on Dec 8, 10 10:52 AM
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Mr. Bishop made it by the skin of his teeth...let's hope this is his wake up call!
By blue duck (8), southold on Dec 8, 10 11:07 AM
Merry Christmas Tim!! Congratulations!!
By sandydog21 (183), Southampton on Dec 8, 10 11:19 AM
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All our best wishes to Randy - there is always next time. As for Timmy Boy - this better be your wake up call, you have made alot of us unhappy stop being the lap dog and work for us, the voters!!!!
By americanivory (7), east hampton on Dec 8, 10 11:37 AM
you don't get it, do you..."us the voters" don't agree with you -> you have lost, you are in the minority in CD1, even in a year like this... "us the voters" don't want tax breaks for millionaires and other frankly stupid GOP ideas.
By doc4reform (3), East Hampton on Dec 8, 10 11:52 AM
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Read the papers-tax breaks are a done deal. Its over.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Dec 8, 10 12:00 PM
I don't think so. I used to be STRONGLY for Obama but now I follow the Democratic Caucaus who says "No way. Over my dead body will I support the 0.000000001%. Even though you live in the Hamptons there are more of us than them."
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By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Dec 8, 10 12:00 PM
Bishop attributes victory to strong constituent service operation and partnerships with other local elected officials. #ny01
By pollbuster (132), Islip on Dec 8, 10 12:03 PM
I wonder what Altschuler attributes losing to? Outsourcing? Carpet bagging? The people have spoken, Tim Bishop won. Now let's move on.
By RealLocal (76), Bridgehampton on Dec 8, 10 12:40 PM
I attribute it to public unions taking care of their own
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Dec 8, 10 1:13 PM
Getting less votes
By Terry (380), Southampton on Dec 9, 10 12:33 PM
Tim Bishop works very hard for his district. There are stimulus jobs aplenty here. He has made sure the health care legislation did not hurt CD1 residents before voting for it.
He is not a rubber stamp, and he does bring home the bacon. He worked for this job-he did not buy it with millions gleaned from throwing Americans out of work.
Thank you CD1 voters for seeing through the craziness.
By bluelightning (20), Hampton Bays on Dec 8, 10 12:12 PM
maybe its because Democrats are right 97.3% of the time
By whodat5 (12), southampton on Dec 8, 10 6:58 PM
NEWS FLASH TO THE LUNATIC FRINGE-----THERE ARE NO TAX CUTS , THE RATES WILL REMAIN THE SAME, NOT RISE!!!! Stop with the class envy, the Demokrat Party has lost the majority in the House and L'il Tim won by the skin of his teeth that should tell you that liberalism is going down the drain.
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Dec 8, 10 12:36 PM
One year up the drain, one year down the drain, 2012 is coming--Bring it On
By pollbuster (132), Islip on Dec 8, 10 3:29 PM
hmmm bigfresh... It was a tax cut when your boy W enacted it. It was scheduled to expire in three weeks. And now your party's insistence on avoiding repeal for the rich adds a few hundred billion (minimum) to the deficit. It's the GOP's own Shameless Stimulus Package - Rich Guy Edition. As a TP fiscal conservative, you must be so proud.
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Dec 8, 10 4:52 PM
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I'm frustrated by adding anything to the deficit, unless it will help the economy longterm. According to many (but not all) economists, stimulus in any form will help. The problem I have with extending (or not letting expire, take your pick) the tax cuts for those making over $250K, as opposed to continuing unemployment, is my personal belief that those who are unemployed are more in need of help.

And suffice to say that being "disappointed" in Obama, and the Dems generally, over their ...more
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Dec 9, 10 8:56 AM
If liberalism was going down the drain, he would have lost the race not win it. Especially in such a toxic atmosphere for democrats. Just think every person YOU voted for LOST,now how popular is your position in New York. Maybe Kentucky is more your speed. You can drink mountain dew for breakfast and not have any teeth left which at least Tim still has teeth according to you.
By Mets fan (900), Southampton on Dec 9, 10 12:55 PM
He still thinks it's all about class envy.

Sad, really.

Maybe someday bigfresh will be a millionaire, with a 25k sq. ft, mansion, a diesel sucking yacht, and a carbon footprint bigger than Shaq's sneakers.

Most likely, not...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 9, 10 5:33 PM
Bluelighting...if there were "a plenty" of stimulus jobs Bishop would have listed them to enlist votes. For those who are so informed about the so-called tax relief for the rich...why should only the large percent of the population be given relief? Are we so jealous of those who make the big bucks to ask them to foot a larger portion of the taxes? Our tax system should be revamped period for ALL. It's time for our State to get rid of the wonderful gift of no income taxes provided to unions ...more
By BeachGal (72), Hampton Bays on Dec 8, 10 12:44 PM
Yes - there is a Santa Cluas!
By artizt101 (28), Hampton Bays on Dec 8, 10 12:51 PM
I thought it was going to be the end of an error, and now we are stuck with the same whacko liberal nut. I say we earmark another $1.5 million to forecast estuary damage from global warming...whadaysay, Tim?
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Dec 8, 10 1:07 PM
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Well the majority of the people of NY 01 didn't think that a right wing carpet/tea bagger nutjob who promised to outsource their jobs was the answer. I wonder why.
By pollbuster (132), Islip on Dec 8, 10 3:24 PM
Oh and about the guy who voted twice, guess who he voted for? Yes , it was Altschuler, and I wonder if Fox News is going to follow up. http://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/spin-cycle-1.812042/1st-c-d-about-the-guy-who-voted-twice-1.2526951
By pollbuster (132), Islip on Dec 8, 10 3:14 PM
Brookhaven GOP Chairman Jesse Garcia grace in defeat "Bishop got lucky and only by and handful of questionable votes."
By pollbuster (132), Islip on Dec 8, 10 3:19 PM
Just because he voted in the Democratic primary doesn't make him a Democrat. Instead, he sounds more like a Repub who likely registered Democrat, voted against Bishop (twice?) in the primary in hopes of derailing the Dems strongest candidate, but when that failed, voted (twice) for RA in the November election.
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Dec 9, 10 9:02 AM
Things that make you go, Hmmmmm...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 9, 10 5:26 PM
I said Tim would win and he did. Good. I also said that come what might, I was ready to congratulate both candidates on running a vigorous, reasonably fair race, and I do. They took the issues out for a good airing, which we always need. Best wishes to Tim in carrying on with the good job he's been doing, and best wishes to Randy in whatever is next for him.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Dec 8, 10 3:24 PM
They really did not take the issues " out for an airing". The campaign really centered around which candidate would be the lesser of two evils. Both candidates spoke in terms of having less baggage than the other, not what each could bring to the table. It wasn't about accomplishments or what they did or could do effectively, it was about that which they did not do wrong. Issues were secondary.
By William Rodney (465), southampton on Dec 8, 10 4:15 PM
How many debates did you attend, Mr. Rodney? I'm guessing zero, because if you'd made it to even one, you wouldn't say what you did. Both these candidates took stands, many of which were unpopular, but they did so because they each had firm beliefs on the issues, which they expressed forthrightly. I'd say they gave the voters a real choice.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Dec 8, 10 9:41 PM
Congratulations Congressman Bishop!
Vote Local.........Vote Bishop! Yeah!!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Dec 8, 10 4:34 PM
Congratulations Congressman Bishop. There is lots to be said about your opponent, but it is finally over and no reason to beat a dead horse.
I'm sure Randy is making two calls, one to the real estate agents to sell his home, the other to his Tea Party supporters to find another Congressional District to run in. He has no vested interest in the First Congressional District. Maybe he should go to Arizona...or Alaska. I'm sure Sarah Palin and John McCann can find a district for him. Farewell Randy, ...more
By Happy in the Hamptons (9), hampton bays on Dec 8, 10 5:16 PM
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Tim bring back that job outsourcing that you only thought about..and never did anything about.
By V.Tomanoku (622), southampton on Dec 8, 10 6:05 PM
Well, I guess we lose either way, which is why I didn't bother to vote at all. We have an incumbant, who pretended to support the people who built his district, yet he couldn't follow through when push came to shove.. Versus a challenger who never cared about us in the first place.

If we must take the best of the worst, so be it, I suppose. Just look at this materialistic catastrophe we see today. Things used to be simple; live, love, and care. Work, play, and help your neighbor, Now ...more
By RubyBaby (28), East Hampton on Dec 9, 10 12:34 AM
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"Goodness, is not simply being better than the worst."

~Cicero
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 9, 10 4:26 PM
"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives."

- Abba Eban
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 9, 10 6:09 PM
Allowing us to keep more of OUR OWN EARNINGS will benefit the economy more than confiscating a larger percentage and pizzing it away on worthless porkbarrel projects. Since when have the Demokratz cared about defecit spending?
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Dec 9, 10 7:42 AM
bigfresh - back to basics. W's massive and unnecessary tax cut passed in 2001 but didn't save us from the mess we're in today. Meanwhile, despite our massive financial commitments - forget pork, focus on Iraq and Afghanistan - the GOP insists on adding hundreds of billions to the deficit by extending the cuts for people making over 200/250K/year. Unless you fall into that category (and congratulations if you do), your tax rate would not have changed and you would have kept under the Dem plan. ...more
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Dec 9, 10 4:12 PM
Citizens keeping MORE money, allows for the decline of infrastructure, and debt to mount. I figured I'd mention that, in case you hadn't figured it out yet.

Ever since the 80's tax cuts, we have been on a steady downward progression. Disparity has increased five hundred fold, our bridges and highways are worth a grade of D-, and the national debt now stands around 14 TRILLION dollars. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Notice an increase in the crime rate, drug/alcohol use, wrong way ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 9, 10 4:31 PM
Captn - I think, then, that we can all agree that W was a disaster. He began by implementing massive and unnecessary tax cuts in '01 (remeber, the gov't was running a surplus at the time), then presided over a massive expansion of fed gov't (read: spending), preemptively engaged us in an unpaid-for war in Iraq, and left this country fiscally unable to adequately deal with the collapse of the housing bubble.
Next, the GOP and TP'ers cry foul over Obama's $700B stimulus pkg (which in fact was ...more
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Dec 10, 10 11:36 AM
I hope this victory is a big wake up call for Timmy. He's been out of touch and is lucky to get back to the House for two years.
By Dayo (33), Sag Harbor on Dec 9, 10 8:00 AM
What do you Right-Wing people think of what the Southampton Town Board did this past week?
A new appointee at $150K with no public input and no public meeting.
Please let us know where you are with that.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Dec 9, 10 8:17 AM
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Sheer skullduggery.

No more, no less. Backroom handshakes, and some sand for the people's rump...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 9, 10 4:35 PM
Congradulations Tim. I believe that you like any elected official, learns something new about the job, themselves and the issues, when they are re-elected. Tim has always been a hard woker, however, this time he may find "thinking outside the box" might be something to consider. (although that did in Michael Forbes) Felix Gucci, was not much of a leader. Mr. Atschler, is a carpetbagger, who tried outspend Tim to buy an election, that is a fact, the other fact, he outsource jobs, in time when ...more
By Celtic (7), Amagansett on Dec 9, 10 9:17 AM
I attended the only debate that took place in Southampton Mr./Ms. Bridge. Ridiculously short as Dy-Ran had to run up west for another appointment. But in the half hour he gave us he spoke of "lowering taxes and cutting spending" all the while simply playing to the audience, with no explanation as how he was going to do this. Bishop, correctly pointed out that you can't do both at the same time. They proceeded to beat each other over the head with Bishop ending up with fewer lumps. That's history, ...more
By William Rodney (465), southampton on Dec 9, 10 10:12 AM
WOW now I can sleep at night ETC
By jose1 (28), southampton on Dec 9, 10 2:07 PM
Congatulations Mr. Bishop! Please continue your great efforts on behalf of Suffolk residents. God bless you.
By WhaleLeviatan (1), Sag Harbor on Dec 9, 10 2:33 PM
Congrats Tim. Hard fought win.

Tax cuts, mounting debt.

Exactly how did we get into such debt? Gee, was it the Republicans cutting taxes for their wealthy friends, while we were in a WAR which COSTS money? Or was it the deregulation of the financial industry, that amounted to trillions of dollars in worthless paper? Was it the fact that deregulation turned the housing market into some wild, never before seen casino?

Maybe all that, and more.

We are where we ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 9, 10 4:21 PM
Not according to John Perkins.

"Confessions of an economic hitman", and "The Secret History of the American Empire" are two books not to be missed.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 9, 10 4:42 PM
Also, don't forget "Hoodwinked: An Economic Hit Man Reveals Why the World Financial Markets Imploded ".

Excellent piece of literature.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 9, 10 5:20 PM
How does keeping the current tax rates cause a defecit? The same ammount of confiscated wealth is flowing into the government's coffers right, so where does the defecit come from?
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Dec 9, 10 4:39 PM
This is where you need to learn your history.

The "upper class" used to pay a 75%, to upwards of a 90% tax rate post WW II. Those collected revenues allowed for things like the Eisenhower Interstate System, tunnels, bridges, dams, sewage, and all manner of other projects post WW-II. We had an economy where the average middle class worker paid off his/her home in 20 years, or LESS in some cases. Two to three weeks vacation STANDARD. Medical coverage: STANDARD AND AFFORDABLE.

Fast ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 9, 10 5:06 PM
"We can say, without a doubt, that this system is an absolute failure. From the most rational, objective, economic standpoint, it is a failure.

Less than 5% of the world's population lives in the United States, we are consuming over 25% of the world's resources, and creating roughly 30% of it's major pollution.

That's a failure. Thatt's not a model you can take to China, or India, or Africa, or Lain America. Simple mathematics tells you: 'you can't repeat this model'. Five ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 9, 10 5:52 PM
We spend more than we take in, there's the problem. Our employees should be FORCED to live within their means, I do it, you do it, if you actually work for a living, all responsible citizens do it, why should our elected employees spend us into oblivion?
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Dec 9, 10 7:52 PM
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Our elected "employees" "earn" an average of 120k in Congress.

That's almost THREE times the average median household income in the United States.

Nice work, if you can get it...
Dec 9, 10 9:11 PM appended by Mr. Z
It would seem, after further research, my facts were old. The salary for a "rank and file" member of Congress, is $174,000 for the fiscal year 2010. Like I said, nice work, if you can get it. Even vote yourself a pay raise, and who cares about those on a fixed income...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 9, 10 9:11 PM
In the middle of a fiscal meltdown, they voted themselves a raise.

Was that on top of the usual COLA, that almost NONE of us receive as American Citizens per annum?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 9, 10 10:00 PM
Wow.
Olberman saying the President is Goddamned wrong; over at Big Government there is a thread right now, about a politician saying F*%k the President, it sure is getting crazy.

The lunatic fringe is turning inward and eating themselves.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 10, 10 2:17 AM
Olberman is calling it like he sees it, just like Mark Levin (I'll certainly give him that). More important is that congressional Dems are also questioning the tax deal. I see intra-party debate, not as a sign of weakness, but of independent thinking by people with a conscience.
Would have been nice to get some of that from the GOP over the 8 years that W presided over his massive expansion of the fed gov't (preceded, of course, by his massive tax cuts).
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Dec 10, 10 11:44 AM
The check of taxes, is the balance against disparity.

It's part of how you finance your society, maintain infrastructure, sans allowing the cost of living to spiral out of control.

Something we obviously do not practice.

"It's MINE!!!!, exclaimed the petulant three-year old."
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 10, 10 11:59 AM
Maybe the New york Slimes and MSNBC crowd are in a state of anarchy at the moment. At the same time tea party and rest of America, has woke up. They are doing there homework and paying no mind to the retoric of the press.This crack up is not a surprise, still it doesn't seem to deter the progressives.
Dec 10, 10 1:48 PM appended by joe hampton
rhetoric ,Sorry for the fat finger philth
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 10, 10 1:48 PM
All this bickering between themselves will pass... they can't seem to agree on what steps and how quickly they do them. However long or not it takes them to set their agenda, we need to send them the message that it won't be in their lifetimes, or in our grandchildren lifetime.The Dem's knew what they were signing up for when they went along with the so-called health care reform and the stimulus.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 10, 10 1:50 PM
It was putting ideology ahead of everything. They hoped the the rest of the country would stay asleep during there socialist coup d'état . It is different now, so they blame their narcissist and incompetent leader for going against them, when it was their votes that got them into trouble.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 10, 10 2:08 PM
The midterms loudly voiced the disapproval of the country, and they have no one to blame but themselves, so it would be nice if they'd man up and admit it. I wont hold my breath
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 10, 10 2:08 PM
Bernie Sanders.... The self proclaimed socialist from Senator from Vermont
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 10, 10 7:16 PM
Where did I call anyone names? Is the disciple of Rev Wright not a narcissist.

I will let his own party prove me right on the incompetent part. They have been saying It over and over for the last 48 hours.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 10, 10 7:22 PM
"philth" ring any bells?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 10, 10 7:23 PM
Oh that. Very well.... I am sorry for insulting the insulter general.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 10, 10 7:40 PM
Oh pleaseeeeeeeee. Are you kidding, the two of you sometimes amaze me. You can dish it out just fine Phil and have on many occasions just to play martyr. Now that I know you are made of sugar I will take your abuse and just take it some more. Happy? It was hardly a capitol offense.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 11, 10 6:56 PM
Or Mine Mine Mine Union member!
By They call me (2174), southampton on Dec 10, 10 1:01 PM
Here's hoping that Senate Democrats stand firm against an extension of Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Obama's deal is a chimera and shows that he still hasn't learned the lesson of the national health care process. The Republicans are deceiving him. Once they get the tax cuts reinstated they will oppose everything that he sponsors to get the economy moving. Two years from now, when their obdurate partisanship has insured that we are STILL in a recession, they will reap the benefits in an election ...more
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Dec 10, 10 2:37 PM
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So the Demokratz are entitled to all of our money and we should be grateful that they are giving some back to the ones who pay the most taxes? That, in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the reasons the Demokratz too a beating in the midterms. Confiscatory tax rates is one of the main reasons the economy is in thte crapper. By letting us keep more of OUR OWN MONEY there would be more jobs created, more tax revenue raised and less of a tax burden on all of us.
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Dec 10, 10 4:51 PM
You can't cut taxes, and expect defecits, as well as disparity to not spiral out of control.

History shows that all "trickle down" economics does is enrich the already fat wallets of the upper 1%.

Over 75% of "unearned income" (i.e., stock dividends) are collected by the upper 1% of our society. Wake up, and smell the coffee...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 10, 10 7:28 PM
Is that what your magical 8 ball told you. Mr. Z You are blinded be your socialist dreams. You need to view the glass half full every now and then and maybe your life will take a turn for the better.
By 27dan (2149), Southampton on Dec 10, 10 7:35 PM
If the glass wasn't half-full, I'd be dead by now.

You have no idea what I've been through in my life. I've made at least three "comebacks" buddy. I can't even go to the military for a career, and three squares, because I'm "4F". I've watched an unregulated market trash my home with monmuments to excess. I've watched farms become havens of second, third, and even fourth homes in some cases, while my friends, members of my family, and I can't even afford ONE for ourselves. The only ...more
Dec 10, 10 7:43 PM appended by Mr. Z
My "Magic 8-ball" also told me "better not tell you now". When I asked again, it said "outlook not so good.".
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 10, 10 7:43 PM
You act like my generation had it easy, Are you for reel?
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 10, 10 7:50 PM
We've worked at least as hard as our parent's have.

Only difference being housing cost us three times as much as them, and our salaries had less purchasing power.

The roughly 75k it cost my father to have the "American Dream" in 1972, had a price tag of 300k for us in our generation. Inflation over the course of 27 years, when it was my turn to seek that dream was just a few tenths of a percentage points away from 300%. It was simply a fiscal impossibility to have the same on ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 10, 10 7:59 PM
Cap why do you continue to waste your time with a person who is so bitter. He obviously has an axe to grind and will clearly go down with the ship.He is part of a special interest who believes he has been shat upon his whole life.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 10, 10 7:26 PM
lol, It's nice to have you back Joe. You add a certain truth and justice to the discourse
By 27dan (2149), Southampton on Dec 10, 10 7:29 PM
Here's some truth for you:

We have repeated a time in history kin to the "Roaring Twenties", and if not for the intervention of the U.S. Treasury, and TARP, we would all be standing in bread lines, and wating for a bowl at the local soup kitchen.

Where's the justice in that?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 10, 10 7:36 PM
At least the system would have been allowed to correct itself Instead we enter into a FDR nightmare of prolonging the pain. Let’s look at the failed stimulus program of Obama’s hero, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. FDR’s Treasury Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, wrote in his diary: “We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. … We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration ...more
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 10, 10 7:46 PM
I will say this joe, taking the reins off the horses, led to one MASSIVE carriage crash...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 10, 10 7:51 PM
Huh, Don't you mean it was not allowed to crash.
The bank bailouts were just as criminal as the loans to people who should not have received them in the first place. 99 weeks of unemployment ....For real? Cant you see there is a portion of society that just will not get off the couch unless they must. You could offer people 14 bucks an hour right now and they yawn at you and walk away.No more social justice! No more bail outs!
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 10, 10 8:38 PM
Thankfully, I was granted the intelligence to know better, than to take one of those loans.

Even if I took the deal back in 2000, there is no way in the Universe I'd still have what I could have purchased with a highly questionable mortgage. It was simply an unsustainable undertaking. It would surprise you to know just how many people in our generation are hanging on by a thread with the homes they managed to purchase, or have now returned home to their parent's houses.

It's ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 10, 10 8:51 PM
Let's see, struck by lightning, lost my career, diagnosed with sleep apnea, but still kicking, and trying to survive.

Nope, I've got NO clue what perseverance is.

You really are a moron, aren't you?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 10, 10 9:30 PM
Captain America Said > > > Phil, it is so much fun to screw with you. Everythig I posted came out of one of your favorite sources, most of which would support your position: http://www.factcheck.org/taxes/supply-side_spin.html

Too freakin' funny.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LOLLLLLLLL
By They call me (2174), southampton on Dec 10, 10 8:45 PM
Oh sorry I forgot Keith Oballdoof is on
talk to you at the top of the hour
When Max Headrome gets done telling O bama to f off again. LOL
By They call me (2174), southampton on Dec 10, 10 8:49 PM
Ha...
Face it Right-Wing-nut guys, you lost here in NY-1.
Your anger is now my entertainment.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Dec 10, 10 9:20 PM
Ahhh, the joys of corruption, and deregulation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40608467/ns/business-us_business
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 10, 10 10:02 PM
I'll give you this, you do make me laugh!

Worst thing they ever did was "borrow" from it.
Dec 10, 10 11:11 PM appended by Mr. Z
Personally, I'd like every dime back I've paid into it, and NEVER have to pay into it again. However, if I was ever disabled, that path could present a problem. Catch-22 anyone?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 10, 10 11:11 PM
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it, and a moral code that glorifies it."

-Frederic Bastiat, 'The Law' (1850)

By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 11, 10 12:32 AM
Pretty funny Clinton coming in to save O at todays press conference did an hour with out a tela prompter. And did it well
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 10, 10 10:13 PM
Ol' Billy Boy is a smooth one...
Dec 10, 10 10:57 PM appended by Mr. Z
Well, I've had enough WebAnswers, MajorGeeks, and 27east for one night. See y'all tomorrow...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 10, 10 10:57 PM
Hey JHampton or Cpt America, What do you think about what the Republicans did on the Southampton Town Board last week?
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Dec 11, 10 7:48 AM
In our area trickle down does work, very well thank you. Most of our non-governmental, including educational jobs are in the service industry. The rich are the ones paying for service, lawn care, gardening, construction trades, home security etc. etc etc. The income from the owners of these businesses and their employees drive our local economy. If not for the trickle down componant, we would be living in a financial wasteland.
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Dec 11, 10 8:50 AM
No.

We would be living in a rural, farming community, with scenic vistas as far as the eye can see. Corn and potatoes for miles.

We did just fine for a long time before the advent of developers, overpopulation, and McMansions. In fact, before McMansions, most of youth weren't forced to move away.
Dec 11, 10 9:49 AM appended by Mr. Z
Also, it would be a fairly pristine, undisturbed environment, where you could still hike to Montauk from North Sea, and nary touch a scrap of asphalt. Plenty of room for wildlife, and no raccoons addicted to human garbage, just like the bears in Yellowstone back in the '50's. Negligible road runoff pollution from massive amounts of traffic, and a population which could very well be sustainable. Personally, I liked it when Winter was a "ghost town". If you played the part of the ant, and not the cricket, Winter was little, or no problem at all.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 11, 10 9:49 AM
just curious how old are you Z
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 11, 10 9:40 AM
Early thirties.
Dec 11, 10 9:47 AM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, by Christmas, the family will be back under the same roof again. I'll be cutting in the electric today.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 11, 10 9:47 AM
Unfortunately those days are over, and in today's world we live in a trickle down driven economy. May the rich get richer!
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Dec 11, 10 9:57 AM
You are rather short sighted, aren't you?

Maybe you have benefitted from the economic situation, but the other 75% of America has not. We do not live in an equitable, or sustainable society in it's current state. Keep living your primitive, greed driven, hoarding dream, like the chimp at the top of a tree, flinging fruit at everyone else. Enjoy your naivety, while it lasts.

Most of the rest of us would care to have our society evolve into something a little better than some ...more
Dec 11, 10 10:09 AM appended by Mr. Z
The Lord helps those who help them selves, but Lord help you if I catch you helping yourself to too much. ~Anonymous
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 11, 10 10:09 AM
The dramatic story behind the most audacious power grab in American history. The financial crisis that exploded in 2008 isn't past but prologue. The stunning rise, fall, and rescue of Wall Street in the bubble-and-bailout era was the coming-out party for the network of looters who sit at the nexus of American political and economic power. The grifter class - made up of the largest players in the financial industry and the politicians who do their bidding - has been growing in power for a generation, ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 11, 10 10:50 AM
Hopefully this shows everyone how important each vote is
By ahhhndrea (25), Southampton on Dec 11, 10 10:08 AM
Agreed.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 11, 10 10:13 AM
WOW Z, you sound bitter, maybe the socialist utopia dream doesn't work in reality? Actions have consequences. If your financial situation isn't what you want it to be instead of bitching, moaning and blaming, get out there and improve it. I see immigrants who have gone from walking to work to owning a business in relatively short order, no excuse for a native English speaker not to succeed in our area. We are relatively insulated here, thank God, and there is an incredible ammount of opportunity ...more
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Dec 11, 10 10:44 AM
You just don't get it, do you?

IT'S NOT SOLELY ABOUT ME, YOU FOOL. My experience is just an example. An unusual one, but one nonetheless.

I'm not doing that poorly, considering a disablilty (which can shorten my life, and most likely will), freak accidents, and the current economic implosion. We're sticking together as a family, but the fact remains we should not be where we are as a country. We can do VASTLY better. It's not about socialism, or capitalism, neither label can ...more
Dec 11, 10 11:02 AM appended by Mr. Z
"So long as this stuff (CDO, CSO, derivatives, economics) is not widely understood by the public, the "Grifter" class is going to skate on
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 11, 10 11:02 AM
OOPS.

"So long as this stuff (CDO, CSO, derivatives, "economics") is not widely understood by the public, the "Grifter" class is going to skate on everything it does. The tendency of most voters, in particular Conservative voters, is to assume that Wall St. makes it's money engaging in normal "Capitalist" business, and that any attempt to restrain that sector of the economy, is thinly disguised Socialism."
Dec 11, 10 11:49 AM appended by Mr. Z
~Matt Taibbi, "Griftopia" (2010)
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 11, 10 11:49 AM
By the way, bigfresh, the top !% of our country's population holds just shy of 40% of this country's wealth. They INCREASED their share through the course of this recession, and should pass 40% by the time 2011 rolls around.

Would you like to wait until 1% of the country owns a full HALF (50%) of it, or do you tthink that maybe, just MAYBE, "We" should do something about it?
Dec 11, 10 11:56 AM appended by Mr. Z
I await your reply...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 11, 10 11:56 AM
Z, I feel for youand wish you and your family the best,truly. As to the bigger picture I am a firm believer in free markets, free enterprise and the governmenr staying out of our lives. We live in an area full of opportunities as I've stated before, those who want to do better have the option to do so or not.
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Dec 11, 10 12:27 PM
I appreciate the well wishes, but that's not a reply to my query.

Sleep on it.

Government is fundamentally entwined in the "free market". It must be. The economy cannot, and will not regulate itself. THAT (gov't removed from economy) is an economic, utopian pipe dream. No regulation = Current "Recession".
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 11, 10 12:35 PM
My answer is--"we " don't have the right to dictate an individual's ammount of wealth.
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Dec 11, 10 12:50 PM
No, not necessarily.

However, we do have the right to say you should not acquire it, or create it by malfeasant, or criminal means.
Dec 11, 10 1:10 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, part of that means putting a check on speculation, insider trading, and price fixing in the corn, and gasoline market...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 11, 10 1:10 PM
Many of you commenting here are fiscal conservatives. This is an open invitation to turn your attention to a local outrage, easily found under any of the three 27east pieces discussing the recent appointment of Russell Kratoville as the $150,000-a-year head of the unwisely restored Business Management Department in Southampton Town. This redundant and expensive outfit, where most of the Town's financial troubles started years ago, was on the chopping block in the Supervisor's budget, but the Republican-Conservative ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Dec 11, 10 1:11 PM
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Sheer skullduggery.

End of line.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 11, 10 1:15 PM
You're right, Cap, "the core of the issue is doing the right thing, political affiliation aside." So let's you and I make a deal -- you don't accuse me of talking about the Kratoville appointment for partisan reasons, and I won't accuse you of refusing to talk about it for partisan reasons. You're right to suggest that this kind of sleaze can be the work of either party, and in East Hampton at one time it was the Democrats, granted, but now in Southampton, it's the Republicans, and that's what ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Dec 12, 10 2:52 PM
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"No thanks," huh? Then I have to conclude that you're a hypocrite and an intellectual coward.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Dec 13, 10 12:56 PM
Both parties put on a really good "shoe", but as I always say, at the end of the day, they both jump into bed together, like a john, and a cheap hooker.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 14, 10 12:55 AM
I stand by my above-stated conclusion, for obvious reasons.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Dec 14, 10 3:25 PM
That's not true. If you would unleash, say, a quarter of your usual anti-tax-and-spend invective against the Kratoville extravagance, I'd withdraw my accusation and call you an honest man. By the way, have you seen the recent 27east piece, "Ethics Complaint Targets Kratoville Appointment"? Interesting reading, especially for someone like yourself who likes to see the people's officials keep close track of the people's money.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Dec 17, 10 11:04 AM
And how old would you say I am Z
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 12, 10 11:02 PM
First instinct, 46.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 13, 10 2:06 PM
No, you are off by 4 years.... so I find it amusing that you keep talking like you are this hip progressive dude from a generation far far away when in the real world you are only 6 to 8 years younger than me.

By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Dec 14, 10 6:48 PM
Gee, you're 42.

That would be about almost a decade.

Sounds like a pretty solid generation gap from here. One that would even have me seriously considering if dating a woman that many years my junior was a good idea/bad idea. There's a big difference between grunge, and '80's hair paint, buddy.

That would mean you were born in about '68, well ahead of the "curve", when it came to "making it" out here. Unless, you were a late bloomer, of course...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 15, 10 7:27 AM
Congrats Bishop!!! I can finally feel like my vote counted for a change!
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Dec 13, 10 7:33 AM
Light years, eh?

At least I was smart enough to not participate in the pathetic circus that decimated the rural quality of life.

Keep slinging the mud with your alter ego. Quis custodiet, ipsos custodes?

Causa timendi, est nescire...
Dec 15, 10 7:31 AM appended by Mr. Z
By the way, are you enjoying all that dirty Wall St. money, that made you your "fortune"? I don't think I'm the one who has so far to go, or is far too self righteous, and spoiled by his "fortune", and "success". But, then again, I could be wrong...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 15, 10 7:31 AM
I am rather fluent in Latin, actually. It was a euphemism in regard to the Roman Centurions, and their use, or abuse of their power, and authority. Reminds me of the Vogons in "Hitchiker" when the tell the president they are there for his protection, however, he kidnapped himself, so they fire on him.

I find it (Latin) very useful when it comes to vocabulary, grammar, structure, diction, as well as overall understanding/expression of English as a "living" language, and the written word.

By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 15, 10 8:10 AM
P.S.

Apparently, I'm not the one with a split personality. Should they actually exist, anyway. The true form is quite rare...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Dec 15, 10 8:05 AM
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