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Oct 31, 2015 11:55 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Roger Waters Show Draws Protestors At Bay Street Theater On Friday

About 60 members of the South Fork community gathered in front of Bay Street Theater on Friday night to protest Roger Waters's performance. ALISHA STEINDECKER
Nov 2, 2015 2:23 PM

Loud chants echoed in front of Bay Street Theater in Sag Harbor on Friday night, as Israeli flags flapped in the wind, and Jews, who had trekked there from all over the South Fork, protested the performance of anti-Israel musician Roger Waters.

About 60 people stood in front of the theater holding a variety of signs that supported the State of Israel. They called the Boycott Divestment Sanctions movement, or BDS, a hate crime and asserted that it spreads lies about the country, often equating it with the Nazi regime. Other signs included ones that said Israel is not an apartheid country and that Mr. Waters encourages terror against the Jewish people.

The Pink-Floyd co-founder is a big proponent of BDS, an international initiative that aims to embargo Israeli exports to put economic and thus political pressure on the country. Last month, Mr. Waters called on rocker Jon Bon Jovi to cancel a concert he and other artists were set to perform in Tel Aviv, equating it to supporting violence against the Palestinian people.

Mr. Bon Jovi did not listen to Mr. Waters’s appeal and entertained in Israel anyway.

Mr. Waters performed at Bay Street as part of G.E. Smith’s “Portraits” concert series and sold out the 299-seat venue. According to Bay Street Executive Director Tracy Mitchell, people were even “begging” for tickets to the show and the waiting list was “a mile long.”

Nevertheless, two people did ask for refunds, an offer that the theater made last week after receiving word about the impending protest. The theater reiterated that it was committed to the right to free speech but also respected the rights of Jews who were offended by Mr. Waters’s performance.

“The audience was ecstatic about the show,” Ms. Mitchell said. “They loved it and it was a wonderful evening with great music.”

The picketers did garner some attention from the Friday night theater-goers, some of whom looked at fliers that were being handed out and expressed surprise about Mr. Waters’s views on Israel: some people did not know of his staunchly anti-Israel activism, they said.

Ruth Vered, a Sag Harbor resident who organized the protest and who was sporting a yellow Star of David on her collar, explained that the Jews in the area can no longer “lay low,” because that makes them look like they are silenced. She held a sign that said, “And we are silent … and then … silenced.”

Ms. Vered also explained that anti-Semitism is not just a vocal initiative, but that it actually kills Jews. “It brings knives into terrorists’ hands,” she said, adding, “This kind of incitement kills us.”

She repeatedly shouted “Shame on you!” at theater-goers who were waiting in line to get into the theater.

“This is just the beginning of what we are doing,” said Larry Zimmerman, an East Hampton resident, who was also handing out fliers that encouraged Freedom of Speech and said that BDS is exactly the opposite of encouraging free speech. “We want a worldwide campaign to protest Roger Waters wherever he is.”

The Simon Wiesenthal Center, an international Jewish human rights organization, issued a statement last week that also called on New Yorkers to boycott Mr. Waters’s performance as he does Israel, and give him an empty theater.

“We urge people who may have been unaware of his hate-filled boycott campaign and bought tickets for his performance, to vote with their feet and instead stand in solidarity—outside of the theater—with the innocent victims of terrorism in The Holy Land,” the release said.

Those who celebrate the Jewish Sabbath, which begins on Friday night at sundown, did not want to be left out of the pre-performance protest. They instead went to the theater at 3 p.m. to protest Mr. Waters.

Among the afternoon picketers was East Hampton Chabad co-director Goldie Baumgarten, who explained that the larger message that picketing brings is the most important. “Whether you picket or you don’t picket, letting people know now, bringing it to everyone’s attention and making a fuss about it is what counts,” she said.

“I am not going to let anybody get away with things like this anymore,” Ms. Vered said. “It is not just talk, it is killing people, it is giving the terrorists the upper hand, it gives them the permission to kill—these are not just words; these kinds of words kill.”

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Pathetic! Glad the trek East was a bust, and that the show was sold out.
By Frank Wheeler (1809), Northampton on Oct 31, 15 12:50 PM
Please elaborate.
By Summer Resident (224), Southampton N.Y. on Oct 31, 15 1:31 PM
Yeas Israel the country that sterializes Ethiopian Jews in Israel. A real human rights bonanza
By chief1 (2637), southampton on Oct 31, 15 1:49 PM
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drinking already Chief?

So what did these protesters accomplish? If it was just to spread awareness about BDS, I guess they did. But that's it.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Oct 31, 15 3:56 PM
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Roger Waters was not boycotted. Just the opposite. He presence at the theater was protested. With an average of 19,000 people attending each of his solo tour shows over the last few years I doubt he was terribly concerned about these 60 people. Mr. Waters and the protesters all enjoy freedom of speech in this country. They are free to protest and he's free to sell a half billion dollars in tickets per tour...
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Oct 31, 15 4:06 PM
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"Sold out the ENTIRE venue?" You mean all 500 seats?
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Oct 31, 15 5:10 PM
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I think it's more like 300 seats actually...
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Oct 31, 15 7:10 PM
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Don't these people have anything better to do? Its not like Roger Waters has any effect on foreign policy nor do his fans care about his politics. These protests were falling on deaf ears.
By Rich Morey (349), East Hampton on Oct 31, 15 6:58 PM
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The headline of this article is completely inaccurate. The show was not "boycotted". Once again I have to ask, does The Press have proofreaders???
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Oct 31, 15 7:13 PM
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The Simon Wiesenthal Center asked he be boycotted. How'd that work out?
By NaseerAhmad (1), on Oct 31, 15 7:58 PM
Not too well.
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Oct 31, 15 9:14 PM
This article is being made fun of on Reddit.
By ncr100 (1), SAN FRANCISCO on Oct 31, 15 8:30 PM
Wow. a lot of ugliness out there directed at Jewish Americans. Shocking, really. Perhaps Jews should be very careful where they contribute -- there are many organizations and charities they support out here. Roger Waters has plenty of money -- what has he done to make our community a better place? Frank Wheeler: ugly, Does Roger Waters "selling out" a 299 seat theater repudiate his politics of hate? There are millions of Pink Floyd fans out there who are brain dead from all the acid they dropped!
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Oct 31, 15 10:17 PM
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By LongleyBlough, on Nov 1, 15 12:52 AM
Wow! [Copy this -- I don't think it's be here tomorrow Noon.]
By Frank Wheeler (1809), Northampton on Nov 1, 15 1:00 AM
When you're right you're right. I would like to know what the inappropriate content was.
By tenn tom (223), remsenburg on Nov 1, 15 9:50 AM
THANK YOU ROGER!!!! PLEASE MORE LIKE YOU THAT CANNOT TOLERATE ANOTHER DAY JEWISH OCCUPATION OF PALESTINE.
By rvs (102), sag harbor on Nov 1, 15 1:10 AM
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You already said that! Are you speaking of Pink Floyd's/Water's inflatable pig? It is indeed a facsimile of a swine. Have you only a one word vocabulary?!?
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Nov 3, 15 7:05 PM
More proof that Zionists, extremist Israelophiles and Jewish victimhood promoters are incapable of rational thought when they apprehend activity that criticizes Israel.

Do we hate Iranians because we boycotted Iran? No, we boycotted their GOVERNMENT in order to force it to reverse reprehensible policies. This is precisely the goal of the BDS movement.

What motivates these protesters is the prejudicial BELIEF that criticism of Jewish or Israeli behavior is anti-Semitism - - - ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 1, 15 8:32 AM
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Why doesn't Waters boycott China for occupying Tibet?
What about the 200k Arabs killed in Syria in the last for year?
There are real serious humanitarian crisis' out there that don't get any attention because it does not involve Jews.
Singling out Jews for living in their biblical homeland is anti Semitic.
By factsrfacts (3), Sag Harbor on Nov 1, 15 12:46 PM
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Waters has called out plenty of countries for human rights violations, he doesn't single out Jews. The sitting Israeli government is not a jew and it's policies do not reflect the views of all jews, and perhaps only those of a minority. His words explaining his position on Israel have been posted here on this forum repeatedly but you choose to ignore his clarifications regarding his position. It is you sir who are single minded and clearly very biased towards anything that questions Israel's actions ...more
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Nov 1, 15 3:14 PM
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Are you addressing Waters of Israel with your witty comment. It always boils down to juvenile name calling on this forum. Reminds me of the players in the Israeli/Palestine conflict. Both sides too arrogant and stubborn to settle for the sake of their future generations. All because each side believes that their imaginary god, is superior to the other's. What a waste of time and blood...
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Nov 1, 15 3:21 PM
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By RogerWaters, on Nov 1, 15 9:11 AM
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There was never a palistinian country or people. It's a modern day invention. Learn your history.
Arabs are the occupiers of Jewish biblical homeland. If they want to stay let them behave.
This new form of Israel bias is a camouflage for old school anti semitism.
By factsrfacts (3), Sag Harbor on Nov 1, 15 12:36 PM
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Bravo Sierra! How can you justify someone being physically removed from a piece of land they owned for GENERATIONS and forced into exile? That is what happened to many Arab families post WW2. FACT.
By bigfresh (4168), north sea on Nov 2, 15 5:48 AM
No incorrect again . Ok this is getting ridiculous but here we go.

Allison Kaplan Sommer, claimed that Ha'aretz was a "victim of the game of telephone" , and admitted to" mixing up" facts. So as usual another vile lie about Israel. I find it quite interesting that Depo-Provera is the most popular birth control in Sub Saharan Africa.....Why is that I wonder.? Anything to do with religious and societal reasons ....hmmmm... So I wonder do the women IN Ethiopia know about the dangers of the ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 2, 15 9:11 AM
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to factsrfacts:

We have not made ourselves complicit in the Chinese occupation of Tibet or the fratricidal Syrian conflict by enabling them with $263 billion - - - but we HAVE in the usurpatious, racist, homicidal Palestinian policy of Israel. It is this guilt that motivates our criticism.

Quote:

"Singling out Jews for living in their biblical homeland is anti Semitic."
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(Cf. supra) "What motivates these protesters is ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 2, 15 9:27 AM
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Who are the people that care less about Palestinians than Isreaelis? Arabs. Slimy Arafat had many chances to negotiate a deal but he preferred to enrich himself and his cronies while keeping his people impoverished. The allure of political celebrity got the best of him.
By harbor (390), East Hampton on Nov 2, 15 4:37 PM
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I've seen Roger Waters in concert. Many musicians have opinions that I don't agree with - but I agree with him. I hope to see him play Israel someday when the fences come down, which is what he has promised. One earth, one people.
By Roger Waters Rules (1), Sagaponack on Nov 2, 15 5:27 PM
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Well ,God was the one that wanted the Canaanites destroyed, apparently for two reasons. First they were idol worshipers that practiced human sacrifice, primarily by burning children and apparently were sexual deviants and all around not nice people..... Then they ambushed the Israelites during the exodus from Egypt. So it looks like they messed things up for themselves.

And finally someone states an actual FACT about Arafat !!!!!

And I had to laugh a little bit at the comment ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 2, 15 7:36 PM
Funniest, and really pathetic fact about the Old Testament?

The story of Noah was ripped off from the Sumerians and the epic of Gilgamesh.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Nov 2, 15 9:57 PM
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This sums it up-

“Your single-minded obsession with trying to convince others to boycott the Jewish state, while ignoring the world’s true human rights violators, must be driven by something other than a guilty conscience,” Abe Foxman (Anti-Defamation League)
By Infoseeker (271), Hampton Bays on Nov 3, 15 4:51 AM
to infoseeker:

Foxman's statement, like factsrfacts' (supra), evinces his total incomprehension of the concept of "guilt". One can only wonder if it reflects an ethical formation foreign to most readers or if he considers the notion of accountability irrelevant as regards the hated Palestinians.

Like factsrfacts, his moral blindness leads him to suggest that Waters protest human rights violations for which Waters bears no culpability and to cease protesting Israeli atrocities ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 3, 15 9:17 AM
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Well, instead of the bible, maybe you'll enjoy reading something a little more current, which ironically is pretty much based on another "holy" book.
Go on line and check this out:
An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic goal for the group in North America written 5/22/1991
It's not very long , but to get the general idea skip to page # 7 paragraph #4.

I'm not exactly sure what Abe Foxman needs to be guilty about. Do you understand the definition of guilt?

And ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 3, 15 1:57 PM
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One more time Biba, there were families PHYSICALLY REMOVED FROM THEIR LAND when Israel was created. FACT , their descendants in some cases are still displaced persons, FACT. Some of these people are none to pleased with their situation and blame Israel. FACT
By bigfresh (4168), north sea on Nov 4, 15 7:05 AM
Big Fresh- please cite your sources.
By Infoseeker (271), Hampton Bays on Nov 4, 15 10:29 AM
No you are still incorrect . You base your "facts" on vicious libel . You refuse to acknowledge actual facts. The "Palestinians" can blame their FELLOW ARABS for their current situation. The "Palestinians " have been pawns for years. That is what an actual fact looks like.

One more time ...I will suggest reading material. Go on line and type in ,

Don Boys Muslim Leaders Admit Palestinians don't exist.

Also instead of worrying so much about the Palestinians worry about ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 4, 15 10:32 AM
Biba, thank you for your comments that gave merit. These commented won't bother checking any of your suggestions out. They are the same crowd that doesn't support the Shinnecocks and their right for Federal recognition.
By Infoseeker (271), Hampton Bays on Nov 4, 15 10:54 AM
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Wrong. Where did you pull that statement out of? Are you omniscient? Please show us one iota of proof to validate your prejudicial statement.
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Nov 4, 15 8:33 PM
I have lifelong friends whose grandparents were physically removed from their land, their home was given to recently arrived refugees from eastern Europe, their heirs have no claim to their birthright. Surely they are not the only ones. Are you claiming that every person displaced freely and happily handed over their homes and land to the new State of Israel?
By bigfresh (4168), north sea on Nov 4, 15 7:48 PM
No, here's what happened....

The Palestinians left their homes between 1947-1949 for many reasons. Thousands of WEALTHY ARABS left in anticipation of a war ( because the Arabs promised to destroy Israel) and many more left because of Arab leaders suggesting so , because of said impending war. They were promised their homes / land back after they (the Arabs) won the war and destroyed Israel. Well as we all know, their attempt to destroy Israel failed. Not only this, but why wouldn't many ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 4, 15 9:01 PM
In this case the owners of said property did not leave voluntarily, they were PHYSICALLY REMOVED from their home, at gunpoint and left with little more than the clothes n their backs. Their home and property were stolen from them. Sorry this FACT doesn't fit your narrative .
By bigfresh (4168), north sea on Nov 7, 15 10:14 AM
You rock Biba!
By Infoseeker (271), Hampton Bays on Nov 5, 15 10:25 AM
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You gotta go on youtube and see what some kids from New York - who are Jewish - who went to Israel on the Birthright program have to say about their experience. As Americans - used to free speech and the right to protest - after noticing the mistreatment of Palestinians - they wrote out pamphlets about their opinions and handed them out in the streets while there is Israel. Israelis SPAT on them and hid their children's faces as they passed. The moral outrage of the kids from New York at this ...more
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Nov 5, 15 2:37 PM
In the video YOU mention...why did that protesting fellow - who was trying to represent BOTH sides by virtue of his garb - have to identify himself - if Israel is a democracy that allows free speech? The answer is he did not have to - except when the fear based reality that you espouse as appropriate - forces him too. Like in a fascist police state. Just like when Jews had to wear a star on their clothes to identify themselves during WWII. The Third Reich of Germany was a fascist police state. ...more
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Nov 12, 15 6:19 PM
Clearly you did not understand my post. Read it again and you'll get the answers .And no, he wasn't trying to "represent both sides". He was verbally attacking Jewish Israelis during some type of Israeli pride parade, while wearing something that represents terror to Israelis . Again for some reason you are not able to make the connection between daily life for Israeli citizens and 9/11.

Do you understand the connection the Arabs and especially the Mufti had to Hitler? At all?? Who do ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 12, 15 8:03 PM
Ok ,I tried to find this video , but remember the internet is a big place. I need a real title / author , because I would love to see the video. Incidentally I hope you took the time to watch some of the videos I've suggested....Ha probably not...

However while searching for your video, I found another one I'm sure you would love !


A young American Jewish boy in Israel ,wearing both a yarmulke AND a keffiyeh is standing near what appears to be some sort of Israel pride event ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 5, 15 4:23 PM
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By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Nov 12, 15 6:10 PM
to Biba & infoseeker:

After the 1948 war, the Israelis passed an ex post factor law “legitimizing” their expropriation of Arab property. They then passed another law that defined all Arabs who had left their property - for whatever reason - to be "absent" and, by that definition, ineligible to return to their ancestral demesnes. (A thus-defined Arab is considered to be "absent" even if standing in front of the door of his house.) Many such Arab properties were subsequently ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 5, 15 7:08 PM
It's clear to me you do not know any factual history. You know nothing about the San Remo Treaty, The Balfour Declaration, the 100 years BEFORE Israel became a state and the 68 years after. You do not understand that Arabs left the region on their own volition. You know nothing about the Jews that left Arab lands and became refugees . They did not leave so freely as they were terrorized . Arabs were encouraged by Jews to stay and live in peace. The Arabs instead , listened to OTHER Arabs and left. ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 6, 15 1:11 PM
To Biba:

Actually, Biba, "The San Remo Resolution" of "The San Remo Conference" (there being no such document as "The San Remo Treaty" to which you mistakenly refer) states that the reorganization of the former Ottoman territory of Palestine, "would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine ... "*

The San Remo Conference created “The Palestinian Mandate” administered by Great Britain. With reference to that ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 6, 15 3:27 PM
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No still incorrect on all points except one. I mistakenly wrote treaty I meant to write conference.
Yes the BD did state that, " nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non - Jewish communities in Palestine"

However that was rendered null and void when the Arabs decided to attack the new state.

You are suggesting that ,even though the Arabs attacked the new state, with the intention to annihilate it , the state should still treat ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 6, 15 4:35 PM
Biba,

You dismiss everything you disagree with. Your use of the word "facts" in many/most cases should be read as "your opinion" . There is no sense discussing any of this with you further because NOTHING said will sway your OPINION about Israel. Your view can be very simply summarized; Israelis good, Palestinians bad. (notice there is no gray area)
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Nov 6, 15 5:46 PM
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Biba,

You dismiss everything you disagree with. Your use of the word "facts" in many/most cases should be read as "your opinion" . There is no sense discussing any of this with you further because NOTHING said will sway your OPINION about Israel. Your view can be very simply summarized; Israelis good, Palestinians bad. (notice there is no gray area)
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Nov 6, 15 5:46 PM
Censor: Please delete my duplicate post. Thank you.
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Nov 6, 15 5:47 PM
to Biba:

In summation, your post asserts that it's OK for Israel to steal Arab land and to do anything else that it wants to any Arab (even if he is completely blameless) because Arabs attacked Israel.

This is the concept of "collective responsibility" whose nearest historical adherents were Adolph Hitler (cf. Lidice) and Josef Stalin (cf. The Ukrainians.)

Unlike the Nazis, the Stalinists, and the Israelis, everyone else in the world repudiates the concept as grossly ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 7, 15 9:38 AM
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Biba rocks !
By Infoseeker (271), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 15 10:11 AM
Ok, first I will respond to AT. Your comment is all kinds of confusing. Every person that posts has a different opinion. You feel the facts AND ,my opinions are wrong .I feel the same way about your posts . We are debating. If you don't want to discuss it any more stop posting.

Ok now let me say this ...
Land was not stolen. Did some Israelis commit crimes ? Yes. In MY OPINION ,Jews were pushed to do some drastic things to ensure their survival. Remember, the Jews have been trying to ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 7, 15 1:48 PM
You are welcome Bibam It's so good to read comments that are accurate.
By Infoseeker (271), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 15 2:32 PM
Biba,

You miss my point. Many of the statements you make and represent as facts are actually your opinions.

The Muslim Brotherhood is a radical group and their agenda represented in 1991's "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic goal for the group in North America", is certainly not one anyone outside of the brotherhood would endorse.

The Muslim Brotherhood does not represent the average Palestinian any more than Rabbi Dov Lior represents the average Israeli. ...more
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Nov 7, 15 6:40 PM
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No, I get every point. And ironically , that's just your opinion. And, with all due respect, I don't want to argue the definition of opinion with you . Also you do not have a clue as to why I've mentioned the Muslim Brotherhood, nor do you understand that they are the LEAST radically behaved group.! Here is where it will help to know the definition of insidious. You could say , they live by the motto that the " pen is mightier than the sword". Usually it's the other way around.

This is ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 7, 15 10:16 PM
Biba, I do understand. As far as you are concerned there is no gray, no discussion, only your view is valid. There is no possibility for discourse since you believe you are right and all other's opinions are invalid.

It is a waste of time time attempting to debate you. You dismiss disparate viewpoints out of hand. At least you can take comfort in your view that you are infallible. I hope you agree with the Pope or there may be a major conflict in your future (he's purportedly infallible ...more
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Nov 9, 15 12:45 AM
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I never said my view is the only valid view. And doesn't everyone that posts a comment believe, that they are correct and perhaps someone else is invalid ?
And this IS discourse. All people that post are joining the debate .
Clearly you manage to find the time to debate me, so once again I'm confused.
How long then, should it take me to dismiss different view points? I feel I'm pretty much on par with the rest of the people posting here, in terms of how "quickly" I respond to someone ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 9, 15 3:26 PM
and my opinion tis that during the creation of the State, many innocent Arabs were removed from their ancestral lands by force and said lands were handed over to those who did not compensate the owners... Here is a question for you Biba, if your home was taken by force, would you retaliate? Thanks for your time.
By bigfresh (4168), north sea on Nov 9, 15 4:11 PM
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So how was the Bay Street show?
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Nov 9, 15 4:44 PM
to Biba:

Everyone is entitled to his opinion, Biba, but you have utterly failed to objectively support yours (i.e., that Israel is justified in its treatment of the Arabs.) You either post naked assertions, or your references are to authorities that are plainly biased and without credibility (e.g. the Jewish comedian Larry Miller), or irrelevant to your case (e.g. the nature and plans of the Muslim Brotherhood), or opposite rather than supportive of it (e.g. the San Remo Resolution.)

In ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 10, 15 3:18 AM
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Well I suggested many videos and articles on the subject. Not my problem you chose to ignore the suggestion. Besides my personal feelings on the subject, I've posted plenty of facts as well. It is your right to disagree.
But remember, when you disagree it's your opinion that your expressing.

Naked assertions...good one. Again go back and watch some of the videos and read the articles.
You see the problem is, some people base their opinion on anti Semitic propaganda. That's biased ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 10, 15 2:46 PM
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By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Nov 10, 15 10:25 PM
to nazznazz:

["meow"]
Nov 11, 15 12:54 AM appended by highhatsize
In anticipation of the Mad Press Censors annihilation of nazznazz's post, readers should know that it was a rather l-o-n-g (but typical) Right-Wing ad hominem diatribe by an extremist homunculus.
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 11, 15 12:54 AM
Are Jews the Chosen Ones? What does that mean exactly? Do they suffer more than others?
By bob surfer (8), Hampton Bays on Nov 11, 15 10:26 AM
To Nazznazz, nice try but you had to know that would be removed. And I wonder why the SP didn't remove an earlier duplicate post... Interesting. And to the last post... Is this a serious inquiry...? I'm truly curious.

And Thank You to ALL Veterans active and retired.
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 11, 15 12:07 PM
Same on YOU Ms. Vered. You bought a church - renovated it and put a pair of LEGS outside on display. A person with such good taste really cannot mention the word shame with respect to others expressing their artistic viewpoint.

The State of Israel is a terrorist organization - killing - disenfranchising and demoralizing the Palestinian Citizens. They are taking away what does not belong to them in any way shape or form. All of their leaders have blood on their hands for decades.
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Nov 12, 15 4:56 PM
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So libel, and pushing an anti Israel / anti Semitic agenda is now an "artistic viewpoint "...? Interesting...
Your second paragraph is quite inaccurate .
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 12, 15 7:00 PM
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Biba, once again, just your opinion. You really don't understand the fundamental differences between facts and opinions. You have a very biased viewpoint which I have pointed out previously. Whether or not you are correct is irrelevant. You will side with the Israelis and against the Palestinians on all issues regardless of the circumstances or actions that precede your comments. This constant and easily documented bias (via this page alone!) renders your posts on this subject irrelevant.
By Arnold Timer (314), Sag Harbor on Nov 12, 15 8:36 PM
What did Roger Waters say or do that was libelous exactly? And have you actual been to Israel? Hey Biba - Please note that Arabs and Jews BOTH are Semites. My jibe about artistic viewpoint was more about the choice of giant disembodied female legs (created by an artist that made a Lolita-type film of his own pre-pubescent daughter) as an art piece outside a renovated church as a home. Lacking taste - but not anti-Christian - exactly. And you have the "right" to do so in America. Even if it ...more
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Nov 12, 15 9:48 PM
And here is another you tube piece you should see - Helen Thomas Says Jews Stole Israel.
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Nov 12, 15 11:01 PM
since your in a reading mood here is a piece you should see

sorry,kids: A real movement needs more than hurt feelings
By david kaufman november 13, 2015
By Erin 27 E (1179), hampton bays on Nov 14, 15 5:34 PM
First AT , let me say I find it interesting that I was accused of posting my "discredited conclusion over and over " yet you and a few others do the same thing ! Had to laugh at that!
And no it's not me that has a hard time understanding the definition and differences between fact and opinion.
And every person that posts, believes they are correct . Your point??
Oh and me and my bias ...no one else is biased huh ?
I do not care if you find my posts irrelevant. That tells me ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 13, 15 1:18 PM
to Biba:

To reiterate, an anonymous opinion is only credible to the degree that it is verified by authoritative, objective citation. You haven't posted any that fit those criteria. Your habitual practice in justification of Israeli despotic treatment of Palestinians is to post "proofs" that some Arabs hate Israel (or the US), apparently in the belief that that makes ALL Arabs equally guilty.

Such overt racism may be enough for extremist Israelophiles but its violation of individual ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 14, 15 9:59 AM
Your first sentence is just a long winded way of expressing your opinion. It's your opinion, that my opinions are not verified . And again everyone that posts is "habitual". Every one is passionate about his or her OPINION.

You may not understand what I've posted or suggested in terms of reading material. That unfortunately is your problem. What you do not understand is there are certain things ALL Muslims believe when it refers to the religion of Islam. Again your problem that you don't ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 14, 15 2:52 PM
HH Willing to admit theres a problem with these people and a POTUS who makes excuses for them yet ?

MUSLIM RAMPAGE: 120+ DEAD...
Three teams of attackers...
Suicide bomber had ticket into stadium...
'FIRST OF THE STORM'...
LE PEN: France must 'annihilate' Islamist radicals...
Anxiety grows over ISIS recruits in USA...

PARIS TERRORIST 'SYRIAN REFUGEE'
Nov 14, 15 3:09 PM appended by They call me
Muslims on track to exceed Jewish population in USA... Obama moves to 'increase and accelerate' admission of Syrian refugees...
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 14, 15 3:09 PM
to Biba:

Your ultimate post once again argues that ALL Arabs can be treated despotically because ALL Arabs, per se, are collectively responsible for the misdeeds of SOME Arabs. That doctrine is still as despicable today as it was when practiced by the Nazis and the Stalinists.

My OPINION about the necessity of validating opinions by reference to objective, respected authority is shared by every institution of higher learning and every serious researcher in every academic discipline. ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 14, 15 3:32 PM
I'm not arguing about the necessity of validating opinions. I have done that . Again it is YOUR opinion that I haven't.

And for some reason you ignore the relationship Hitler had with Grand Mufti Amin al- Husseini. Two very despicable people ......You fail to see the Arab Muslim influence on the Nazis. And I can tell you still have no idea what Sharia law is all about. Nor do you understand the collective goal of Islam in America. If you understand the importance of research , why don't ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 14, 15 4:36 PM
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Biba, Your talking to a wall, We have been over this with him since 2009 his head is thicker than a brick
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 14, 15 5:25 PM
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“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
~Barack Hussein Obama

The winds have been blowing for some time now Mr. Obama and we see where he has been true to his word for a change.
Nov 14, 15 11:00 PM appended by joe hampton
Obama: "I Don't Want To Speculate" Who Is Behind Paris Attack
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Nov 14, 15 11:00 PM
to joe hampton:

Your first quote is a misquote (President Obama never referred to "Muslims".) Your second is the statement that the president made in that time period during which the attacks in Paris were ongoing and no one, including the French government, had identified the attackers.

This is more duplicitous (and self-defeating) misdirection by an unconscionably mendacious extreme Right-Wing which habitually underestimates the intelligence of its audience, thinking it no brighter ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 15, 15 8:13 AM
The Barbarians Are Inside, And There Are No Gates
by Mark Steyn

Nov 15, 15 8:13 AM appended by joe hampton
(condensed) : As I write, Paris is under curfew for the first time since the German occupation, and the death toll from the multiple attacks stands at 158... When the Allahu Akbar boys opened fire, Paris was talking about the climate-change conference due to start later this month, when the world's leaders will fly in to "solve" a "problem" that doesn't exist rather than to address the one that does. But don't worry: we already have a hashtag (#PrayForParis) and doubtless there'll be another candlelight vigil of weepy tilty-headed wankers. Because as long as we all advertise how sad and sorrowful we are, who needs to do anything? With his usual killer comedy timing, the "leader of the free world" told George Stephanopoulos on "Good Morning, America" this very morning that he'd "contained" ISIS and that they're not "gaining strength". A few hours later, a cell whose members claim to have been recruited by ISIS slaughtered over 150 people in the heart of Paris and succeeded in getting two suicide bombers and a third bomb to within a few yards of the French president.... The West cannot win this war with a schizophrenic strategy of targeting things and people but not targeting the ideology, of intervening ineffectually overseas and not intervening at all when it comes to the remorseless Islamization and self-segregation of large segments of their own countries. So I say again: What's the happy ending here? Because if M Hollande isn't prepared to end mass Muslim immigration to France and Europe, then his "pitiless war" isn't serious. And, if they're still willing to tolerate Merkel's mad plan to reverse Germany's demographic death spiral through fast-track Islamization, then Europeans aren't serious. and this kind of Western leadership will cost you your world and everything you love. So screw the candlelight vigil.
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Nov 15, 15 8:13 AM
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If you want your health care you can keep your health care. Everyone saves $2.500 a year with Obamacare. ISIS is the JV team. Benghazi was about a video.
By 27dan (2634), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 15, 15 8:32 AM
Now that the destination is in sight, we are eager for the arrival. When President Obama transfers the authority of his office to Hillary Clinton, the continued military, economic and democratic security of the country will be assured."

By highhatsize , East Quogue on Jul 20, 14 10:52 AM

By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 15, 15 8:39 AM
will Hussein be able to call the latest Paris carnage what it is? RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM or will He continue to equivocate and lack the testicular fortitude?
By bigfresh (4168), north sea on Nov 15, 15 8:40 AM
Earlier on Friday on ABC’s “Good Morning America hours before a band of ISIS-linked jihadists took over 150 innocent lives in Paris, President Obama downplayed the terror threat., “we have contained them”

What will the White House say caused the terrorist massacre in Paris? Will it be lack of job opportunities for an at-risk population? Will it be outrage over an offensive Youtube video? Or maybe we are starting to see the practical national security effects of ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1894), southampton on Nov 15, 15 8:47 AM
mr hat. obama never refers to the threat to have anything to do with muslims, i watched obama come out during the attacks with my own eyes trying to dance around the obvious, it seems to me that you, like the administration are big on words and short on facts.

thank god it is so obvious.

By Erin 27 E (1179), hampton bays on Nov 15, 15 8:55 AM
to They call me:

Quote:

"'Now that the destination is in sight, we are eager for the arrival. When President Obama transfers the authority of his office to Hillary Clinton, the continued military, economic and democratic security of the country will be assured.'

By highhatsize , East Quogue on Jul 20, 14 10:52 AM"
------------------------------------------------

Thanks, They call me, just as true now as it was then.

Let us not forget that the worst ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 15, 15 11:49 AM
It’s time for Obama to make a choice: Lead us or resign
By Michael Goodwin November 14, 2015 | 10:01pm
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 15, 15 10:26 PM
Once again HHS it is YOUR opinion that there is no validity to what I post. Still fuzzy on the definition I see. I think you are confused. I've posted numerous videos and articles that explain the actual true conflict in Israel and most importantly WHEN it actually started. Hint: It did not start in 1948.

I never posted anything that supports mistreatment of Arabs. I stated that Jews have been dealing with ISLAMIC TERRORISM for over 130 years, and like it or not, I feel that fact alone ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 15, 15 11:55 AM
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*** I just looked at my earlier post and noticed something missing. Proof I don't always proofread !

In my PS
It should have read as follows :

From the book
Audacity of Hope

In the book Obama is discussing the concerns of Muslim immigrants and Muslim Americans following 9/11. He was reassuring them that they would not be treated the way Japanese Americans were during WW2. He may not say Muslim, but I think we all get the idea as to which "side" he is on if things ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 15, 15 8:21 PM
to Biba:

Baloney!

Your misquoted Obama reference, coming as it does on the heels of the identical misquote by joe hampton (to which I directed readers' attention) is a stunning example of the careless negligence that characterizes your selection of citations in ALL your posts (and an exposition of your deficiency in critical reading skills.)

The disingenuous apologia whereby you attempt to finesse that evidence of your lackadaisical ineptitude as a unique "proofreading ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 16, 15 10:00 AM
hey where theres smoke....

Glad you finally got It.
Nov 16, 15 1:42 PM appended by joe hampton
Glad you finally got It Hat Head ... Because the truth is you cant vet radical zealot terrorists from stone age country's
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Nov 16, 15 1:42 PM
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Did you see when CBS's John Dickerson Asked Democratic Candidates If They could Use The Phrase "Radical Islam," Like Hat Head none could
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Nov 15, 15 10:48 PM
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HHS - from Jay Sears to ISIL : denier of the obvious

PEYSER: Hollande making Obama look like fool...
ISIS THREATENS ATTACK ON DC...
GOVS SAY NO TO REFUGEES... DEVELOPING...
Obama hopes for 100,000 per year...
MAP: Where Refugees Resettled in USA...
FLASHBACK: Immigration Union: 'no doubt' foreign terrorists entering...
Nov 16, 15 1:58 PM appended by They call me
Huckabee to House Speaker Paul Ryan: ‘Stop the Flow of Terrorists to America’ or else ‘Step Down’TEXAS, ALABAMA, MICHIGAN, INDIANA TELL OBAMA: WE WON’T ACCEPT ANY SYRIAN REFUGEES
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 16, 15 1:58 PM
No, not baloney, how rude to suggest that. I corrected one honest mistake. Nothing disingenuous about it. All my previous posts are all valid.

And remember, that is just YOUR opinion.

As usual you misunderstand me. This is hilarious ,you cant comprehend what I post, but you're criticizing my reading skills.....

Honestly I thought you would be happy!! I agreed with you. No, Obama did not say Muslim. But I happen to agree with the misquote. I think it describes his intentions ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 16, 15 2:00 PM
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"...enemies foreign and domestic."
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 17, 15 8:45 AM
WORTH REPEATING:

According to the Arab Human Development Report, of the worlds seven major geographic regions, Arab countries ranked lowest in terms of freedom, civil liberties, political rights and independence of the media.

BUT TRUST ME BIBA HE WILL NOT HERE THE FACT YOU STATE ,

HE WILL JUST ATTEMT TO SPIN IT!

Nov 16, 15 2:04 PM appended by They call me
SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D-CA): I have never been more concerned. I read the intelligence faithfully. ISIL is not contained. ISIL is expanding. They've just put out a video saying it is their intent to attack this country.
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 16, 15 2:04 PM
Close our boarders now....
By Undocumented Democrat (1894), southampton on Nov 16, 15 9:15 PM
<--- Where the 1,854 Syrian
Refugees Admitted to the
U.S. Were Placed
Nov 16, 15 9:45 PM appended by 27dan
No place left to hide
By 27dan (2634), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 16, 15 9:45 PM
We can only hope all of this is in tomorrows newspapers so Obama can learn about it.
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Nov 16, 15 9:31 PM
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to Biba:

Quote:

"You also need to read the Koran...Then you will understand the difference between some and all ........And what some people will do ,and ultimately what ALL will do"
---------------------------------------------------

Yet another l-o-n-g rationalization of Israel's racist bigotry. However, it DID clear up a misapprehension. You don't endorse the abrogation of Muslim rights because SOME Muslims are bad. As your quoted statement shows, you think that ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 17, 15 9:07 AM
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PhilStill Here


NO YOUR NOT. YOUR BANNED! REDUCED TO A LURKER!
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 17, 15 9:43 AM
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thats funny

phillurking@home
By Erin 27 E (1179), hampton bays on Nov 17, 15 9:52 PM
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Syrian 'Refugee' Already MISSING IN LOUISIANA...
Resettlement group admits: We don't track them...
UN DEMANDS: TAKE THEM IN!
Planeload arrives in Britain...
French police in nationwide raids...
HALF of America's governors say no to refugees...
MAP: Resettled in USA...
2,098 Muslims, 53 Christians...
More headed to 180 towns, but avoid DC, other expensive cities...
POLL: Majority Believe Makes Less Safe...
REPUBLICANS MOVE TO HALT OBAMA FUNDING...
Speaker ...more
By 27dan (2634), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 17, 15 12:59 PM
Just as I suspected my comment was misunderstood.

SOME Muslims are called "extremists" and SOME called "moderates".
ALL embrace Sharia and follow the Koran
Here's a name for you: Fahad Ullah Qureshi....he has a term to describe ALL Muslims .. He calls ALL Muslims the "common Muslim".

Go on line and type in the following;
Peace conference Scandinavia Fahad Ullah Qureshi... Check out the video.

And I think It's funny, all the people that lost their minds over ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 17, 15 4:25 PM
Tuesday's Morning Joe panel discusses President Obama's tone during his Monday speech on the Paris terror attacks.

"It was shocking," Scarborough said of Obama's reaction. "And the reaction from the people I spoke with all over the political divide, and people that worked for other governments that are on the front line in this battle find it shocking that what the French call an act of war, the president calls a 'setback.'"

"He was peevish, petulant, in The Washington Post's words," ...more
Nov 17, 15 10:02 PM appended by joe hampton
Feinstein: "I Have Never Been More Concerned. ISIS Is Not Contained. ISIS Is Expanding"
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Nov 17, 15 10:02 PM
Ayaan Hirsi Ali On How To Deal With Terrorists: Learn From Israel, "They Know What They're Doing"

This elegant and classy woman knows what she is talking about High Hat should shut up and learn to listen!
By Undocumented Democrat (1894), southampton on Nov 17, 15 5:23 PM
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November 17, 2015

1,259 RESPONDENTS

Businessman Donald Trump36.0%
Surgeon and Author Ben Carson14.6%
Fla. Sen. Marco Rubio11.2%
Tex. Sen. Ted Cruz7.9%
Nov 17, 15 9:41 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
The above are the results of the REUTERS 5-DAY ROLLING POLL
By Undocumented Democrat (1894), southampton on Nov 17, 15 9:41 PM
Seven years into this nightmare and the press seems to have just woken up?
Nov 17, 15 10:11 PM appended by joe hampton
Liberals prefer Muslims because they share a hatred of Christians, America, Israel, Freedom and Liberty
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Nov 17, 15 10:11 PM
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Please.

Christian websites host more malware than porn.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Nov 17, 15 10:35 PM
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The last thing religion has ever been throughout world history is "civilized".

LMMFAO.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Nov 19, 15 7:08 PM
Obama says he is coming for our guns, to be his top issue of final yeaI

This guy has gone off the rails he is willing to let Iran develop nuclear weapons, and hand them the means to do so, then talk about why he wants my guns by executive order.

Someone please remind him that Paris was a gun free zone.
By 27dan (2634), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 18, 15 7:45 AM
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to Biba:

Quote:

“Just as I suspected my comment was misunderstood.”
-----------------------------------------

Au contraire, Biba, EVERYONE has understood you for some time now. The despotic subjugation of Palestinians is acceptable, in your view (and in Israel's), because they are Muslims (and, therefore, in your opinions, probably harbor anti-Israeli thoughts.) No other democracy in the world discriminates against people for what they may THINK.

Your ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 18, 15 10:15 AM
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Hat says: "No other democracy in the world discriminates against people for what they may THINK."

Try telling that to the man who was removed from a rally where Hillary Clinton was speaking in Dallas yesterday. The event was held at Mountain View College.
The man was holding a small (about 4"x8") sign that said “Yes Ms. Clinton, It does make a difference” when he was escorted out. And before you mention Ramos at the Trump event, consider Ramos spewing his ideology, not ...more
By loading... (553), quiogue on Nov 18, 15 12:36 PM
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Wow really , everyone understands ..? Except you. Especially about current events. See France....

And again making me laugh !! Despotic subjugation. I'm going to assume you mean how they're treated by other Arabs.
No they don't "probably" harbor anti-Israel thoughts, they do. Let me remind you : 100 years BEFORE Israel became a state, Arabs terrorized them and ,vowed to annihilate them. Then they attack Israel, the day Israel actually becomes a state. I would say that's a teensy bit ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 18, 15 4:07 PM
to Biba:

Again (I believe, for the 6th time) you attempt to justify Israeli despotism by comparing it to Arab/Muslim despotism, alleged hatred of Israel, and alleged universal devotion to Sharia justice.

It makes one wonder how Israeli Jews tolerate the 1.7 million Israeli Muslim citizens in their midst. Shouldn't Israeli Jews wall them all up in ghettos to prevent their waging jihad on their fellow Israelis? (Or, perhaps, is the allegation that ALL Muslims want to "drink the ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 18, 15 10:34 PM
Still unable or unwilling to admit that there were Arabs physically removed from THEIR LANDS AND HOMES , and these assets were given to People just because they were Jewish refugees?
By bigfresh (4168), north sea on Nov 19, 15 11:03 AM
It's seems clear now, even to Europe and especially the French and the Israelis, that Obama is a Muslim and a terrorist sympathiser.
All the evidence points that way. He supported the ayatollahs against Iran's people. He supported the overthrow of secular regimes by islamists in Egypt, Libya and now Syria. Obama speaks of "my muslim faith" and how "the future must not belong to those who slander" Mohammed. It's not much of a secret.

We better wake up fast real FAST!
Nov 18, 15 7:24 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Unlike the latest Paris attacks, John Kerry could see the “rationale” of the Charlie Hebdo shootings - WTF - "There’s something different about what happened from Charlie Hebdo, and I think everybody would feel that. There was a sort of particularized focus and perhaps even a legitimacy, a rationale that you could attach yourself to somehow and say, okay, they’re really angry because of this and that. This Friday was absolutely indiscriminate. It wasn’t to aggrieve one sarticular sense of wrong. It was to terrorize people." WTF
By Undocumented Democrat (1894), southampton on Nov 18, 15 7:24 PM
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yes its amazing how some people here are so good at pompously ignoring what they don't want to acknowledge,
By Erin 27 E (1179), hampton bays on Nov 19, 15 6:53 AM
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Yes, when Kerry said "legitimacy," it told us a lot about him and the man with the high hat who only comments selectively about a president, who said at the UN: "the future does not belong to those who insult the Prophet."

Silence can be very telling
By 27dan (2634), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 19, 15 7:05 AM
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There is nothing new nor surprising here. From Kerry's treason during the Vietnam War to his criticism of President Bush in 2004 for not being "sensitive" to the wants of the terrorists Kerry like HHS has always been a member of the "blame America first" crowd.

I love when Hat Head and Z are quite... It shows they are out of ways to spin the topic counter clockwise.
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Nov 19, 15 7:16 AM
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Or maybe you're just ignorant of the reasons for my apparent absence.

You sure know how to talk s***, I'll give you that.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Nov 19, 15 7:45 PM
to Undocumented Democrat, Erin 27 E, 27dan & joe hampton:

It's not just that you folks like incessantly - - - you lie unbelievably stupidly as well. Your latest lies are all easily refuted by the most casual research, as follows:
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Snopes judges the claims that President Obama identified himself as having "Muslim faith" to be false as it does the claims that John Kerry behaved dishonorably in the Vietnam War.

Secretary ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 19, 15 8:54 AM
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It seems you have been busy calling Biba the liar as of late...

"The Hebdo killings, by comparison, were in retaliation against people who actually DID something "

Its funny that you and Z will be the first to point out how religion is BS but now seem to be saying that Kerry justifying mass murder on the grounds of a cartoon somehow make sence.... And their was no outrage to a video as Hillary's emails prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt... Come on Hat try and keep up.

Nov 19, 15 9:12 AM appended by joe hampton
RIP - Neda Agha-Soltan you were a brave woman but this administration had different plans for you and your people
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Nov 19, 15 9:12 AM
CIA black op gathering intel on DAIISH.

Try to keep up.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Nov 19, 15 7:16 PM
ISIS
By 27dan (2634), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 20, 15 7:10 PM
The proper term to express disapproval of the group and it's existence is DAIISH.

You idiots can't even get that right.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Nov 20, 15 10:05 PM
ISIS / Because ISIL refuses to recognize the existence of Israel and that is what obama does every time he publicly uses the term "ISIL"

By doing this you are sending a message of solidarity to our enemy!

so..... ISIS
By 27dan (2634), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 21, 15 7:07 AM
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So, you approve of their existence and support them. Check.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Nov 21, 15 7:38 AM
Well HHS I guess that's 5 times too many for you.
Oh wait I forgot. You espouse the idea that Israel has no right to defend itself. And I guess you feel the same about my posts...I'm starting to see a theme.

No I'm not comparing anything. This is all about self defense. Simple. Arabs started something that they intend to finish. And now they're not just focused on Jews. There is a difference between attacking and being attacked.
Clearly you do not know the definition of alleged.

I ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 19, 15 4:59 PM
8 SYRIANS CAUGHT AT TEXAS BORDER...
SIXTH with Fake Passport Captured in Honduras...
And One in Costa Rica...
UPDATE: 47 House Dems 'Defy Obama', Vote to Halt...
SYRIAN COMMUNITY LEADER: ISIS ALREADY IN USA...
Refugees CANNOT be vetted, get 'real' docs from govt...
'Throngs' of illegals crossing TX border...
Six Men from Pakistan, Afghanistan Busted Entering AZ...
Mosque Meeting: 'Every One of You Are Terrorists!'
State Dept Warns Americans Abroad
ISIS ...more
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 19, 15 5:50 PM
HHS said, Snopes judges the claims that President Obama identified himself as having "Muslim faith" to be false as it does the claims that John Kerry behaved dishonorably in the Vietnam War.


Sun Tzu said, as one of his basic tenets, that if you cannot recognize....or refuse to recognize...who the enemy is...you cannot possibly defeat that enemy.
Nov 19, 15 6:53 PM appended by 27dan
Hillary Clinton focused on her real enemy – Americans who disagree with her – in a campaign speech on Thursday. In a statement her own campaign Tweeted out as her marquee comment, Clinton declared: “Let’s be clear: Islam is not our adversary. Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.”
By 27dan (2634), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 19, 15 6:53 PM
"Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people, and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism." Hillary Clinton"

I can see the stupid is strong in this one. "Yoda"
Nov 19, 15 7:23 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Today’s Dem Party is the enabling hand of Islamic Jihadists’ terrorism upon innocent civilians. Just as they’re willing to die for their “religion” so, too, are Democrats willing to die for their “religion” Political Correctness and Collectivism. To falsely state that Muslims are peaceful and tolerant is to deny the centuries long history of Islam: Even the slightest scrutiny of Islam’s history reveals it to be much more a completely intolerant, uncompromising conquerer ideology Islam, without question, is the most intolerant with the most sordid history of conquest and indiscriminate barbaric massacres against non-adherents throughout history, antiquity and time. Muslims have not assimilated as well as others creating detached self-isolated minority communities in Western Europe and Scandinavia. There are neighborhoods in Paris that are today entirely non-Parisian, non-French, but Muslim. Further, they have sought to annihilate long-established Jewish and Coptic Christian communities in North African states where they’ve now become majorities. Current Syrian and Iraqi migrants should be directed to other Muslim states in the Middle East and Africa. The President and his two Secretaries of State are clear and present danger to the American people, to the national security of American commerce, to the cause of liberty, and the freedom of mankind.
By Undocumented Democrat (1894), southampton on Nov 19, 15 7:23 PM
Yes, it is ^^^^^^^

Islam is a faith which preaches pacifism, and is no different in it's justification for war, or "jihad" than Christianity's justification of the Crusades, or violating "Thou shalt not kill" whenever it suits a purpose.

You don't even realize how full of **** you are.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Nov 19, 15 7:34 PM
Really Crusades lol,

Like when was the last Crusade Scoob.

Think man, Think!

You seem to just relate better to anyone who is not a Christian, I have always had my suspicions why.
By Undocumented Democrat (1894), southampton on Nov 19, 15 10:30 PM
No, you just seem to be rather obtuse. Actually, the most recent "crusade" has been the war in the Middle East. But apparently you are incapable of drawing such parallels.

Focus on the former which you perceive to be irrelevant history, and dismiss the latter about violating a core commandment of the Christian religion.

Can't follow your own rules but when it suits your purpose, but expect others to live up those same rules without exception. Typical hypocrite.
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Nov 20, 15 12:18 AM
You have to ask yourself what would a Mr Z America look like?

Seine-Saint-Denis

Dearborn, Michigan

London

Tingbjerg

No thank you I for one do not want to live like that. Do you ?

By Undocumented Democrat (1894), southampton on Nov 20, 15 5:07 AM
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Hey McCarthy, don't you have a bridge to get back to?
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Nov 20, 15 6:32 AM
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McCarthy my ^$$

These people do not hold western values and I for one do not wish to live among them and their Sharia culture.

You would imagine that as a left leaning progressive you would also not want to live among a population of people who subjugate women and threaten to kill LGBTs.
By Undocumented Democrat (1894), southampton on Nov 20, 15 6:53 AM
what is 'Sharia Culture'?

and here in the USA it seems pretty clear that there are already enough white people threatening to kill 'lgbt's and subjugating women, so i'm totally with you that one.

pray for us, please, pretty please!
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (634), southampton on Nov 20, 15 7:52 AM
Bogus Statement

All lives Matter Lady!

And Animals come in all colors and races Its just more prevalent in some more than others
Nov 20, 15 5:59 PM appended by They call me
Bad behavior that is
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 20, 15 5:59 PM
seems to me Its the same bitter crowd, They will even welcome terrorists and Illegals into our country to gain the upper hand over who they see as "the man" who in their minds are holding them back,

its very sad, the only one holding back anyone is themselves.

what is sharia culture, pleaseee, cute act you got there.

look up on utube what these people have done to western europe there disrespect and lack of gratitude is disgusting.

but then again, maybe you ...more
By Erin 27 E (1179), hampton bays on Nov 20, 15 6:23 PM
Oh please come off your high horse already, You know exactly what he was talking about and right away you try to make it a racial issue. i for one do not want these animals we see on the news talking about having six wives and 22 children and how they're going to come in here and take over. maybe that's the world you want to live in and if so I suggest you move to Turkey
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Nov 20, 15 8:06 AM
Do have the same regard for Mormons, or the polyamorous as well?
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Nov 20, 15 10:13 PM
just the thought of all these wife hoarding mad men is making me shiver!

On another note, isn't annoying when your neighbor uses a clothesline instead of dryer, ughhhhhh
By dlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (2), south hampton on Nov 20, 15 8:43 AM
What is Sharia ,good question. More people should ask that question.
And only whites threaten to kill LGBT people ? I wasn't aware of that statistic.
As for the subjugation of women....

I'll take 82 cents to a mans dollar over genital mutilation any day.

Sharia and rape. Interesting. I wonder if a woman under Sharia is raped, by four men, can she use those same four men as her witnesses or does she need to find four strangers....can you clear this conundrum up for me ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 20, 15 1:18 PM
ah, ok. got it, thanks.
By dlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (2), south hampton on Nov 20, 15 1:31 PM
to Biba:

The lie is put to your tedious repetition that all Muslims are bad by the status of the 1.7 million Israeli Arab citizens, none of whom, last I checked, had made Jewish blood their beverage of choice. Their peaceful coexistence also demonstrates the falsity of your claim that the Quran mandates that Muslims mistreat non-Muslims. As evidence of this, during the long history of the Muslim caliphates, non-Muslims were usually treated well and enjoyed freedom of worship.

The ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 20, 15 4:18 PM
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By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 20, 15 6:10 PM
i saw a sickening show on cnn that said some of the muslim extremists actually encourage there wives and children to strap bombs to themselves.

i fear that could be the motovation to bear so many offspring.

very sad.
Nov 20, 15 6:39 PM appended by Erin 27 E
more of the good muslims need to speak up and put a stop to these radical killers. its very scary
By Erin 27 E (1179), hampton bays on Nov 20, 15 6:39 PM
Michael Moore Offers His Michigan Home to Syrian Refugees

I think this is a wonderful Idea Maybe High Hat, Z and Philth could take some of them in locally
Nov 20, 15 7:02 PM appended by 27dan
A group of more than three dozen senators are pressing obama to tell the truth in talks with foreign leaders on any deal to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and explain that the ultimate say is with Congress and not the administration.
By 27dan (2634), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 20, 15 7:02 PM
As per your P.S....
<36 senators ain't enough to drag the truth out of 0bama
By loading... (553), quiogue on Nov 21, 15 9:10 AM
Once again that's just your opinion. I never said all Muslims are bad. I'm saying all Muslims follow the Koran and that's a bit of a problem.

Muslims are not here to assimilate. Muslims , the good guys (moderate) or the bad guys ( extremist) are ALL here to live by THEIR rules. And they're not OK with other religions existing. One of the" fundamental belief's" in America, that you refer to all the time. Clearly you do not understand that one cant mention America's values and the Koran ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 20, 15 9:13 PM
to Bibi:

On the contrary, Bibi, all you have been saying for the past two weeks is that Muslims are, per se, bad, and that, therefore, Israel's expropriation of Palestinian property and denial of Palestinians' right to self-determination is perfectly OK - - - because, even though a Palestinian has never done anything malign, he IS a Muslim.

To reiterate, what a Muslim may or may not "think" is irrelevant.

Generally, in the caliphates, as long as non-Muslims didn't publicly ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 20, 15 11:05 PM
Colonialism. we finally get down to it, just like BHOs daddy

REUTERS 5 DAY ROLLING POLL:
TRUMP: 38.8%...
CARSON: 14.7%...
RUBIO: 10.3%...
CRUZ: 7.1%... MORE...
Nov 21, 15 6:49 AM appended by They call me
Trump’s continued dominance of national and state-level polling has vexed the GOP establishment and pushed it to near-panic as voting nears. you will never stop him because since obama, a majority of Americans now feel like strangers in there own country
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 21, 15 6:49 AM
No I'm saying that ALL Muslims follow the Koran, and that there is no way to misinterpret what the Koran is suggesting. Then there's all the actual evidence of just how" biblical" and barbaric they behave. Evidence you ignore.
And for the past two weeks, you still push the lie that land was stolen.

Thoughts turn into ACTIONS. Not irrelevant at all.

Wow you paint such a lovely picture of Dhimmitude...

So statements such as , " much of their (Dhimmis) TRAGIC existence ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 21, 15 10:22 AM
to Biba:

Your characterization of the Quran is profoundly ignorant, as your citation of the Youtube video demonstrates.

That video is nothing but anti-Muslim propaganda consisting of a compilation of interpretations of the Quran by Islamic extremists. We've heard worse from ISIL. What they say is nothing but their opinion, a concept that you STILL cannot distinguish from FACT (i.e. what the Quran actually says.)

That the treatment of Jews under the caliphates was relatively ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 21, 15 12:06 PM
how about this hhs, as a women i do not care to live within 3000 miles of these savages, for me and my 2 daughters i will take israel over islam every time and i am sure my across the street gay male nieghbor feels the same.


try and spin that
By Erin 27 E (1179), hampton bays on Nov 21, 15 1:18 PM
Dont worry Erin, you will not have to make that chioce Obama/Hillary is going to bring them to you!

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Pushing back against efforts to bar Syrian refugees from resettling in the U.S., Barack Obama vowed Saturday that your country will be a welcoming place for the millions fleeing refugees "as long as I'm president."
By Undocumented Democrat (1894), southampton on Nov 21, 15 1:33 PM
WSB - TV Atlanta....

ISIS THREAT ATLANTA....

FBI: Officials taking report about ISIS threat seriously at Philips Arena on Sunday....

The hacker group Anonymous said Saturday that it had uncovered information about Islamic State group trying to organize attacks in Paris as well as locations in the U.S.....
By 27dan (2634), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 21, 15 1:57 PM
Once again, your opinion.
Of course you would call the truth propaganda.

The interpretation is the same for ALL Muslims. The object is to conquer, not assimilate. Some do it with force , others more insidious. The desired end result, is desired by BOTH "moderates & "extremists". They both have the same opinions.
Also I love how you continue to use ISIL...No sorry Israel has a right to exist.

I never said Ahmed Tibi suggested driving the Jews in to the sea.

It ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 21, 15 9:33 PM
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Unless they're Muslim, or Japanese, or Irish, or Chinese (or Asian in general) or, well if you know your history, you'll get the picture...
By Mr. Z (11012), North Sea on Nov 22, 15 7:55 AM
Trump set the record straight today on how he wants to deal with the ISIS terrorist threat to America.

“I want surveillance of certain mosques,”

“Oh, they’re going to make such a big deal,Trump said of something so politically incorrect.’ ”

“That’s why we’re going to hell,” Trump told the crowd, “because we’re so politically correct.”
By 27dan (2634), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 22, 15 9:44 PM
to Biba:

Quote:

"And only SOME in this country have "urged" Israel to "give back land" ...
There's a word for those people :
Anti Semites"
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I will leave it to readers to decide how much gravitas to afford to the opinions of one who believes that Presidents Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, George H.W. Bush, Clinton, George W. Bush and Obama are all anti-Semites.*


* "Statements from U.S. Government Officials ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 22, 15 8:09 AM
Still unwilling to see that there were many Arab families removed by force from their homes when Israel was "created" , these property owners were not compensated for said land, it was STOLEN from them! Sure some was sold, but a lot was not! If a group of people stole my ancestral home I would not rest until it was returned.
By bigfresh (4168), north sea on Nov 22, 15 8:24 AM
Did you know the poem was written by a Zionist? She understood the definition of freedom.

I think you left out part of the poem where it mentions, "except for when Muslims get to America, everyone better stop eating pork products and displaying Christmas decorations. In fact we really wont tolerate any other religion. And say goodbye to your constitution it's now Sharia Law".
Maybe that's on the other side of the statue ?

I never said ALL presidents were anti Semites.

Johnson ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 22, 15 1:49 PM
CRUZ ROARS TO #2 IN IOWA...

Donald Trump has returned to the lead in Iowa while Ted Cruz has now surged past Ben Carson into second place.

By 27dan (2634), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 22, 15 9:23 PM
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By bigfresh (4168), north sea on Nov 22, 15 10:12 PM
to Biba:

Your zealous lunacy is manifest in your ultimate post. So, ONLY eight US presidents, starting with Johnson, were anti-Semites in your estimation? Glad you cleared that up.

The extremism of your Israelophilia leads you not only to arrive at such epochally idiotic conclusions but to be blind to how ridiculous they (and YOU) are to objective readers.

But keep them coming, nothing better exposes your extraordinary perceptual distortion re all things Jewish better ...more
Nov 23, 15 4:09 AM appended by highhatsize
to marlinspike (infra): ["sigh"] The Press STILL doesn't allow inane ad hominem attacks, marlinspike Goodbye, AGAIN.
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 23, 15 4:09 AM
Red ink for commenting that Biba refuses to address the Arabs that had their land STOLEN when Israel was created?!
By bigfresh (4168), north sea on Nov 23, 15 7:35 AM
A new undercover video released by James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas shows Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign vice chair, Huma Abedin, assuring an undercover reporter that the Democratic presidential candidate is committed to allowing Syrian refugees to settle in the U.S. and that Republican opposition to the plan is “really scary.”

If this is her position she should run on It...
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Nov 23, 15 12:23 PM
Obama Quietly Plans For 2,224 Regulations Ahead Of Thanksgiving...
Nov 23, 15 3:33 PM appended by They call me
MICHAEL BASTASCH, The DCWhile millions of Americans prepare to stuff themselves with Turkey and pie, the Obama administration quietly released its plans for 2,224 federal rules Friday — a preview of just how many more regulations the president is attempting to issue before he leaves office. President Barack Obama’s Unified Agenda for Fall 2015 is his administration’s regulatory road map and lays out thousands of regulations being finalized in the coming months. Obama has developed a habit of releasing the agenda late on Friday before a major holiday.
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 23, 15 3:33 PM
I never denied that they were here illegally.

By philathome , Southampton on Jun 21, 14 6:42 PM
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 23, 15 5:59 PM
First off I was responding to the statement you made about "our country " and "stolen land".
I never mentioned any presidents. You decided to become specific after the fact (intentionally ) ? Then you mention a number of presidents that actually understood why Israel should not, and more importantly could not go back to pre 67 borders.
Then you mention a few that I would label ambivalent.
And two that definitely are not Jew friendly. So your post was a bit confusing.
Nothing insane. ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 23, 15 7:05 PM
Rush Limbaugh tells FNC's Chris Wallace that the president spends more effort fighting concervatives than he does ISIS: "Barack Obama's No. 1 enemy is the Republican Party, and the conservative movement. You see he gets animated, he does not need cue cards, he does not teleprompter when he starts ripping into them, but when you get ISIS on the board or anything in the Middle East, very cautious, very precise, very don't want to offend them, don't want to make them mad."

"It's obvious Obama ...more
By 27dan (2634), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 23, 15 9:58 PM
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*due
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 23, 15 11:43 PM
to Biba:

Quote:

"And only SOME in this country have 'urged' Israel to 'give back land' ...
There's a word for those people :
Anti Semites"
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This is what you SAID. I then provided you with the citation that showed this to be the position of eight recent US presidents. By your own estimation, this makes them all anti-Semites. When you took the trouble to list the "anti-Semitic" behaviors in which those presidents allegedly ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 24, 15 3:41 AM
"The occupation of Iraq has gone so well.Almost ten years and we still aren't out.Hows that "we won't attempt naton building" thingy working out for ya?"

By philathome , Southampton on May 13, 10 10:38 PM

In retrospect It was a whole lot better then this radical Muslim appeasement plan we currently have going on!
Nov 25, 15 3:10 PM appended by They call me
Swiss Choose Sides: Burqa Banned in Blowout Vote… Fines Up to $10,000
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 24, 15 3:10 PM
Today....Dear Leader gave us another lecture regarding Syrian refugees. He seems more worried about them, than he is in doing anything about eliminating Islamic terrorism.
Nov 24, 15 3:31 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
to HHS, you must admit Israel is the only democracy and tolerant society in the Middle East. They are surrounded by Muslim states that have sworn to destroy it and have conducted a genocidal propaganda campaign against the Jews, they have promisd to "finish the job that Hitler started." even you must see a global wave of Jew-hatred, fomented by Muslim propaganda and left-wing anti-Semitism, has spread through Europe and the United Nations and made Israel the hunted .
By Undocumented Democrat (1894), southampton on Nov 24, 15 3:31 PM
Ok this is getting a bit ridiculous.
In a previous post I stated that you needed to be more concerned with current events. In your response you imply that the ENTIRE country has been "urging" Israel to behave morally ( as if you know the definition).and return "stolen land" .
When does saying "our country" refer only to presidents ?
And some of the presidents you listed rejected returning to pre 67 borders so what are you trying to convey ?
And why do you insist on speaking for ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 24, 15 4:12 PM
Obama Approval Numbers Slide as Americans Lose Faith in Approach on Terror

Americans are not impressed with President Obama’s performance on terror, sending his approval numbers down five points since last month.

A new ABC News/Washington Post poll shows that only 46 percent of Americans approve of his performance .

The president received some of the worst ratings of his presidency on handling the fight against terrorism as 57 percent in the poll signaled disapproval ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1894), southampton on Nov 24, 15 4:33 PM
to Biba:

Quote:

"Ok this is getting a bit ridiculous."
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GETTING ridiculous!! This discussion reached that milestone several weeks ago when you cited a 2nd rate Jewish comedian (Larry Miller), as an authority on the Palestinians.

Following your first sagacious sentence (supra), your post becomes incoherent but I will try to remedy your confusion.

"Our country", as I used it, refers to "our government". "Our government", in repeated ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 25, 15 9:43 AM
REUTERS 5-DAY ROLLING POLL: TRUMP 38%, CRUZ 11.6%, RUBIO 8.2%...

A tranquil Swedish village is being torn apart by bitter tensions after the arrival of 20 refugee families, MailOnline can reveal.
Tärnsjö, 150km north of Stockholm, has become a hotbed of resentment where migrant children as young as five need a police escort to get to school.
Residents and newcomers have exchanged insults, thrown rocks and set fire to cars, leaving many on both sides scared to leave the ...more
By They call me (2622), southampton on Nov 25, 15 12:53 PM
What's truly ridiculous is the fact that you actually think I'm NOT going to defend Israel and post a response to you. Funny.
I'll repeat:
No Larry Miller is not a historian. I never stated that he was an authority either. I don't care if he's a 5th rate comedian. He explained the ENTIRE basis for the conflict in a few paragraphs. Second rate comedian, perhaps. First rate essayist? You bet!!

No confusion here. And nothing incoherent. I'm just stating facts that are constantly ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 25, 15 2:04 PM
to Biba:

Quote:

"What's truly ridiculous is the fact that you actually think I'm NOT going to defend Israel and post a response to you. Funny."
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What on earth would make you assume that? Why would anyone expect the "Baghdad Bob" of Israeli apologists to become rational and silent?

You certainly DID cite Larry Miller (a 2nd rate Jewish comedian) as an authority for your views of Palestinians. You seem to think ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 26, 15 8:39 AM
And I was accused of being dramatic...Ok....

Calling me an apologist insinuates that Israel should not exist. However I could easily call you the Baghdad Bob of " Palestine" apologists. See how that works ? My statement however would be more accurate because in fact "Palestine" never existed.
So I'm glad we cleared up the fact that I wont stop defending the truth.
And now I'll clear up a few more things .

No I did not cite Larry Miller as an authority on anything. No ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 26, 15 12:35 PM
Not all Palestinians are Muslims. Plenty of them are Christians. Just a side note. And for some reason - when asked by another commenter to advise where on you tube could be found the comments of Jewish young adults from NYC who travelled to Israel on Birthright - I provided that address and The Southampton Press deemed that "inappropriate." I think it was called Jews Against Israel - but am no longer certain. Anyway - if I provide the correct address it would be again suppressed - so much ...more
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Nov 27, 15 12:20 AM
Our 39th President of the United States, Jimmy Carter, wrote a wonderfully authoritative book on this subject in 2009 entitled, PALESTINE - PEACE NOT APARTHEID. Definitely worth a look for those wanting to understand the FACTS about Israel having NO RIGHT to have stolen land from the Palestinians - and their mistreatment of the Palestinian people. The treaty that Prime Minister Begin and President Arafat stated that those lands would not be touched by Israel. But between 1979 and 2000 that treaty ...more
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Nov 27, 15 12:36 AM
Woops - the Egyptian President - Sadat
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Nov 27, 15 12:37 AM
And with regard to the American travelling in Israel - protesting in what he thought was a democracy - when the police came to him they wanted to TAKE his passport from him - not merely look at it. Wonder what you would do in a foreign country if someone asked to take away your passport? Here is some good advice. Do not give it to them.
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Nov 27, 15 12:58 AM
to Biba:

Yet another extraordinarily long-winded document that repeats (going into double-digits now) your unsupportable argument that Israel's despotic treatment of all Palestinians is justified because they are Muslims, full stop, and, even if an individual Palestinian's behavior is innocent, he IS a Muslim, and OTHER Muslims do bad thing. Q.E.D.: every Palestinian is thinking of doing bad things and these thoughts justify Israeli oppression. (Perhaps the Israeli authorities could ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 27, 15 8:49 AM
I'm well aware of the fact that there are Arabs that are Christians. Thanks for the side note. Incidentally ,are you aware that there used to be many more Christians in the region ? Hmmm I wonder what happened to them ? Maybe some weird virus that affects only Christians... Are you familiar with Lebanon.? As for democracy, the SH Press seems pretty fair only removing ad hominem attacks or incorrect formats etc. See below.

Carter is and always will be an anti Semite and anti Zionist. To ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 27, 15 2:14 PM

to Biba:

Yet another litany of the bad things that Muslims do. One assumes that you continue to post this data in the belief that it justifies Israeli despotism (such as the ongoing program of illegal settlement construction and the concomitant land theft that enables it.) In fact, it is irrelevant. Theft is theft. Perhaps you are trying to make it appear as if the overwhelming Muslim menace necessitates such programs in the interest of self-defense. However, as Israel's defensive ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 28, 15 8:07 AM
Zionism is racism
By bigfresh (4168), north sea on Nov 28, 15 9:22 AM
Merely a response to the litany of lies pertaining to "stolen" land. Yes the fact that Muslims have been menacing Jews for the past 130 years necessitates everything Israel has had to do to survive and protect it's citizens .
Israel returned land and was still attacked. So your idea that Israel's defensive posture will improve if land is returned , was proven incorrect. You are mistaken if you think this is about land. It is not it's about religion.

The "Palestinians" caused their ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 28, 15 11:38 PM
For the truth please go on line and type in the following:

Jewish virtual library myths and facts chapter 19 the peace process.

Also while on line take a look at what Mark Twain had to say about the region when he traveled there.


By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 28, 15 11:42 PM
to Biba:

Quote:

"Yes the fact that Muslims have been menacing Jews for the past 130 years necessitates EVERYTHING Israel has had to do to survive and protect it's citizens ." (emphasis added)
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No clearer statement of immoral Iraelophilia could be wished.
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Nov 29, 15 2:38 AM
Every time I post, it's in response to something immoral that's being said about Jews and Zionism.

Example; posts stating that Israel(Jews) stole land and homes by force and that Israel(Jews) should not defend it's citizens, (citizens that include Muslims) when repeatedly attacked. Also statements that Jews have no ancestral ties, and have no right to be there.

So,no clearer statement of something TRULY immoral, anti Semitism....

To support Israel is hardly immoral...
Therefore, ...more
By Biba (518), East Hampton on Nov 29, 15 6:33 PM
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By Theo Benschop, The Hague on Jul 16, 18 2:03 PM