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Oct 30, 2015 2:54 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

UPDATE: Fence Installed At Historic Burying Ground Removed Over Weekend

The fence and hedge that were installed without permission at the Old Southampton Burying Ground in Southampton Village. COURTESY SUNDY SCHERMEYER COURTESY SUNDY SCHERMEYER
Nov 2, 2015 1:13 PM

UPDATE: Monday, 1 p.m.

The fence installed on the town property was removed over the weekend, but the hedge still remains.

According to Town Clerk Sundy Schermeyer the fence was removed sometime on Sunday, although she said the property owner did not have permission to do so and has violated the town-issued cease and desist letter barring him from the property. It is unclear what action the town will take next.

The goal, Ms. Schermeyer said, was for the town to supervise the removal of the fence posts that were drilled into the cemetery ground to make sure any potentially disturbed historical artifacts could be removed and studied. However, since the fence was removed, that was not possible.

ORIGINAL STORY

Southampton Town officials are threatening legal action against the owners of a James Street home they say illegally installed a hedge and constructed a 10-foot-tall fence in the oldest cemetery in the town.

According to Southampton Town Clerk Sundy Schermeyer, the Old Southampton Burying Ground on Little Plains Road is home to the remains of some of the first settlers of Southampton.

This week, she said, the town discovered that the owners of the property abutting the historic cemetery, 40 James Street, listed as Mirek Denis and Anne Chwat, had erected the fence and installed the hedge on the property without permission, approximately 10 feet inside the property line on the town’s side. The discovery prompted the town to file a police report with the Southampton Village Police—noting that although it is a town-owned property, it does lie in the Village of Southampton.

Mr. Denis did not return a call from The Press seeking comment on Friday morning.

On Thursday, the town issued a cease and desist letter to Mr. Denis and Ms. Chwat, saying entering the Town property again would constitute trespassing. The property owners could also face misdemeanor charges of desecrating a historic site, Ms. Schermeyer said.

“It has come to the attention of the Town of Southampton that you have illegally installed both a hedge and a large deer fence on property owned by the Town of Southampton,” the letter signed by Town Attorney Tiffany Scarlato reads. “Namely the Old Southampton Burying Ground, which contains remains dating back to 1650. It is possible that the illegal installations have tampered with unmarked grave sites.”

The area, Ms. Schermeyer explained, has several historic headstones, but there is evidence that people were also buried in unmarked graves along the outskirts of the property. It is unclear how many people are buried in the property.

By digging the necessary holes to install the deer fence and the hedge, Ms. Schermeyer—who also serves on the Town’s Historic Burying Ground Committee—said it was possible that historical artifacts were upturned and moved and that remains could have been disturbed.

Ms. Schermeyer said the Burying Ground Committee will be holding an emergency meeting to determine what would be the least intrusive option, either leaving the fence and hedge in place, or carefully removing them to sift the dirt.

“In light of what has happened here, there needs to be raised awareness as to the importance of these cemeteries,” Ms. Schermeyer said this week.

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Ugly fence for public to see. Should be on home owners side of hedge. Hope village will have it removed instead of a fine. Archaeologist to to see if graves were disturbed??? Who's gonna pay?
By knitter (1893), Southampton on Oct 30, 15 4:18 PM
Maybe whomever told these people the hedge and fence was on their property should share in the responsibility. You don't think they were so arrogant not to care they were on town property?
By metsfan2 (159), southampton on Oct 30, 15 4:26 PM
Why a police report or letter? Just have a couple of town and/or village employees pull the stuff out and throw it on the neighbor's property. Then send them the labor bill. Whole thing could have been fixed in 4 hours.
By bird (824), Sag Harbor on Oct 30, 15 6:09 PM
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Wasn't there already a hedge on the west side of the cemetery? There should be a property boundary marker near where that hedge meets the Post Lane hedge. A photo taken from Post Lane should show this new hedge's location quite clearly (looking north), relative to the pre-existing hedge. TBD is where the exact property line is. Hard to imagine the property owners, not to mentione their local (?) fence contractor, would intentionally install a new fence/hedge outside of their property. Hopefully ...more
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Oct 30, 15 6:38 PM
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Google Earth, satellite image data would probably determine what the existing property boundary looked like. In any event, I don't think there is any question that the hedge and fence will have to be moved back to the property line. If the fence is 200 feet long, that's 2000 square feet of cemetery in someone's back yard. It's going to be expensive for someone.
By BruceB (142), Sag Harbor on Oct 30, 15 6:55 PM
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Confirming that there is a concrete surveyors monument at the SW corner of the cemetery in the old hedge on Post Lane, right near the SE corner of the corner lot at James Street and Post Lane. There is an old fence in that corner lot's hedge just north of the monument. There is also a new 4x4 fence stake which anchors the south end of the new fence, as it curves back 10' or so to meet the old pre-existing corner.

Check it out in person.

Some audacity!

Also, there is a ...more
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Oct 31, 15 10:08 AM
What a stupid story.
By HB90 (163), southampton on Oct 30, 15 7:36 PM
Throw the book at these arrogant cads.

Doing a project like this does not just happen without the owners determining where to put the fence and bushes. Not a chance this was a simple landscaping "oversight" on the owners part.
By BillWillConn3 (180), Southampton on Oct 30, 15 11:00 PM
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Babs Wilson will be representing the owners in this property boundary dispute. They say she has experience in such matters.
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Oct 31, 15 12:41 AM
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The village works department under the guidance of qualified archaeologists remove the fence, and the hedge. The bill is added to the yearly tax assessment, and the offending hedge and fence are forfeit.

Call it the privilege of us fixing your stupidity tax.
By Mr. Z (11647), North Sea on Oct 31, 15 6:17 AM
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Just wondering...DId they call first and have a conversation with the owners or did they just dispatch the army? Not saying what the owners did was correct but why such brute force when maybe a tele call to the owner could just resolve it. Some owners don't even have a clue especially when they are only weekenders. Maybe the landscaper made the mistake. Perhaps there is more to this story that we aren't aware of....
By North Sea Citizen (564), North Sea on Oct 31, 15 7:38 AM
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You might want to look at this in person, and then reconsider . . . pretty obvious IMO . . .
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Oct 31, 15 10:14 AM
Dang..it took two years for my hedges to look that full after planting. Kudos to the landscaper. Those hedges should be exfoliating soon tho. I am very impressed with the greenery. Just saying'...I actually don't care where the fence really is..BTW my guy grew the hedges around and over the fence. Deer and kids are kept out and you can't even see it.

We should really talk
By Hambone (513), New York on Oct 31, 15 8:35 AM
It would appear from the aerial view available on google maps that the fence would encroach uncomfortably on the Denis/Chwat swimming pool were it legally located within their property bounds. It also shows (if the fence is, indeed, positioned 10' onto cemetery property) that the Denis/Chwat's have extended their landscaping about 25' onto said property.

Let's see hands for all those who think that this was an honest mistake.

By highhatsize (4176), East Quogue on Oct 31, 15 9:52 AM
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Confirming a concrete surveyors monument in the Post Lane hedge at the correct corner IMO. [see indented reply above]
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Oct 31, 15 10:11 AM
No problem. The town can rip out the fence and remove the privet legally today. Stop the drama and do it.By the way no fence 8 ft tall is allowed anywhere except a farm.
By chief1 (2783), southampton on Oct 31, 15 1:46 PM
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By G (339), Southampton on Oct 31, 15 5:06 PM
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This is an outrageous desecration of Southampton's most sacred ground established in 1648. The Southampton Historical Museum will not rest until this honored place has been restored and the dirt removed has been analyzed for the relics destroyed during this terrible attack on our heritage.
Tom Edmonds
Southampton Historical Museum
By Tom Edmonds (10), Southampton on Oct 31, 15 6:48 PM
calm down. nobody cares
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Oct 31, 15 10:50 PM
and it is a stupid law that promotes Lyme disease an 8 foot wire fence looks better then a 6 foot wood fence !
By joe hampton (3420), southampton on Oct 31, 15 11:16 PM
Everyone should go look for themselves via Little Plains Road or Post Lane. Walk into the middle of the cemetery, look at the new fence (incl. the gate in the NW corner especially its construction details), and see how the deer fencing curves to the SW at the Post Lane hedge's corner of the cemetery, to meet the corner where the surveyors concrete monument is.
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 1, 15 7:02 AM
PS -- And after looking at the fence and the surveyors monument, please tell us how you would feel if your ancestors had been buried where the new fence is . . .
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 1, 15 7:04 AM
Mice don't care about 8 foot wire fences, and neither do crawling ticks.

Another brilliant assessment by joe...
By Mr. Z (11647), North Sea on Nov 1, 15 8:19 AM
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This is a disgrace. These people had to have a survey to purchase their property. So they had to know what they were doing. More Philistines at the hedgerows (no pun). Since the cemetery goes back to 1648 it seems as if a good tar and feathering would be an appropriate penalty.
By kvetch (14), Southold on Oct 31, 15 8:12 PM
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This must be an error in calculating the location of their property line by the persons who installed the fence and hedge. It's been done many times before. But it can br moved. I hope the remains of those buried were not disturbed. That would be very troubling and, if they saw evidence of any remains while digging the hedge trench and did not report it, it would br criminal and may be punishable by law.
By Dodger (161), Southampton Village on Oct 31, 15 9:49 PM
As it is now, fences over 6' tall in the backyard are against the law in the village. That includes deer fencing. Landscapers put in what their employers want. The village needs to come up with reasonable regulations for people wanting to keep deer off their property before more of this silly business goes on.
By Crabby (63), Southampton on Oct 31, 15 10:12 PM
At least the hedge will be well fertilized
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Oct 31, 15 10:52 PM
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The property markers can be seen clearly on Post Road. It is a deliberate violation.
By Tom Edmonds (10), Southampton on Nov 1, 15 7:52 AM
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Post Lane
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 1, 15 10:19 AM
They also Probably don't like beach driving....
By H2O (85), easthampton on Nov 1, 15 12:56 PM
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Fence is down Sunday afternoon, posts lying against hedge. What about the hedge, [bones???]
By knitter (1893), Southampton on Nov 1, 15 9:37 PM
Easy to remove newly planted privet!!
By bigfresh (4590), north sea on Nov 2, 15 5:50 AM
Hopefully the property owners have the wisdom to coordinate the removal of the privet with all Town and Village authorities, as further unilateral disturbance of any human remains would probably subject them to increased scrutiny and liability.

Do fences like this require a Village building permit, which would subject the workers to the ban on Sunday construction work? Wondering what the Village Building Dept. has to say.
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 2, 15 6:44 AM
Got news for you PBR, Its my private property If I want a fence around It I'm putting it up with my own hands (No Permit Necessary and on a Sunday If I choose) There is still such a thing as property rights , believe It or not !
By 27dan (2808), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 5, 15 12:16 AM
"Wahhhhhhh!! You're not the boss of me!"

Got some news for you:

AMENDMENT 14—RIGHTS GUARANTEED
Ownership of Real Property: Limitations, Rights

Zoning and Similar Actions.—That states and municipal subdivisions may zone land for designated uses is now a well established aspect of the police power. Zoning authority gained judicial recognition early in the 20th century. Initially, analogy was drawn to public nuisance law, the Court recognizing that States ...more
By Mr. Z (11647), North Sea on Nov 5, 15 1:34 AM
Like I said
By 27dan (2808), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 5, 15 10:43 AM
Mr. Z does not like the fact that you have any personal property rights!

You are correct he is not the boss of you, but he is still master of his own domain and you can not stop a man from working with his own hands on his own home on a Sunday.

If It was up to people like Mr Z they would have you produce Workman's Comp for personally painting the inside of your own house.

He seems to love the idea of a government and neighbor's that can snoop around at will.


By Undocumented Democrat (2030), southampton on Nov 5, 15 10:53 AM
That is why the hypocrites hate the 2nd amendment. With out it they would step all over our rights real fast

Texas would feel like San Francisco within a year!

RIP - Kate Steinle
By joe hampton (3420), southampton on Nov 5, 15 11:00 AM
27dan, can you read?

The fence is 10' over their property line, and they are trespassing on the Town's cemetery property.

Fine if you want to rant, but at least get your facts straight!
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 5, 15 11:09 AM
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UD, most Communists hate Personal anything especially property rights. All they want to do is redistribute what you worked hard for.

Its in there DNA
Nov 5, 15 12:43 PM appended by They call me
"Ownership of Real Property: Limitations, Rights" Am I the only one that gets the feeling Mr. Z has been walking around with that in his back pocket for years just waiting for an opportunity to whip It out and trow in on the table.... Pathetic
By They call me (2786), southampton on Nov 5, 15 12:43 PM
At the risk of encouraging the lot of you, I have rarely seen such an incomprehensible degree of obtuseness in all of my days.

The pitched pseudo-patriotic fervor displayed here is so rooted in the "Red Scare" it simply defies imagination.

I agree with PBR, for the sake of credibility at least have your ducks in a row before foaming at the mouth like a rabies infected animal. The only thing which is pathetic is your anachronistic behavior and views.

Your credibility is ...more
By Mr. Z (11647), North Sea on Nov 6, 15 7:01 AM
Article has been updated.

The fence posts are lying on the ground, and it appears that the holes have been filled in, all without supervision or permission apparently.

It appears (from a distance) that some of the fence posts have been coated with a dark substance, perhaps a preservative?

The Post Lane hedge now has traffic barricades blocking the two holes where pedestrians have been going through.

TBD
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 2, 15 1:44 PM
Ohhhh the HUMANITY !!!!
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Nov 2, 15 5:14 PM
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Really...... Does the Dongan Patent extend to cemetery's now

Get a life people I am sure you would not want that view everyday

then again I bet they would be the best neighbors you ever had
By 27dan (2808), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 2, 15 7:21 PM
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So Captain Sig, in terms of the question I asked you the other day, I guess you will be telling us where your ancestors are buried, so that we can drive 6" x 10' stakes into their graves?
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 3, 15 8:39 AM
maybe I did that already . . . .
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Nov 3, 15 5:24 PM
Actually most of them are still in the freezer in my basement
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Nov 3, 15 5:25 PM
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By EIEIO (3), new york on Nov 5, 15 11:58 AM
and we needed to know that why?
Nov 5, 15 12:44 PM appended by They call me
HEY EIEIO SINCE WE ARE OUTING THINGS THE MEDIA FORGOT TO MENTION TODAY HERES ONE FOR YOU , A KNIFE-WIELDING MUSLIM ID'D IN CAMPUS ATTACK 18-year-old 'fits the profile' of ISIS-inspired jihadist An engineering student who went off on a stabbing spree Wednesday, wounding four people on the campus of U.C.-Merced before being shot and killed by police, has been identified as Faisal Mohammad. FYI
By They call me (2786), southampton on Nov 5, 15 12:44 PM
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"Ethics" is her area of expertise.
By bridgewoodsmom (14), bridgehampton on Nov 5, 15 3:34 PM
I find it hillarious that these poor people may have just made a simple mistake about the location of there property line and the progressives on this board are ready to drag them into the town square and burn them at the stake...

But Hillary gets busted (from her own emails) in a 2 year deception of the American people on the cause of the murders in Benghazi and the same progressives give her a pass

ROTFLOL !
By joe hampton (3420), southampton on Nov 5, 15 7:02 PM
Innocent mistake? Did you go look at the site and see how a TEN FOOT jump across their property line, way past the old pre-existing hedge, was so obvious that a blind spec builder could have seen it?

Your Hilary comment is way off topic and I wish you trolls would keep your OT drivel to one thread.
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 5, 15 7:07 PM
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Rip out the fence and have the offenders pay for it. Hitting them in the pocket book is the ONLY way to have any effect. When they refuse to pay issue a bench warrant.
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Nov 5, 15 2:43 PM
you are not acting very nice, the people made an honest mistake and are fixing it.why are you so sour?
By Erin 27 E (1254), hampton bays on Nov 5, 15 2:50 PM
6" is a mistake, 10' and a deer fence is intentional.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Nov 5, 15 2:55 PM
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deer fence is necessary ! unless you are happy with a yard that is devoid of any flora that is nice. Re vegetation looks like crap. are you are one of the people that want to club the swans to death as well.

nothing was indiganous at some point in history so stop with the environmental correctness already its our yards mind your own business!
By Erin 27 E (1254), hampton bays on Nov 5, 15 6:54 PM
Erin do you understand that the deer fence here was TEN FEET over the property line and was TRESPASSING on the Town's cemetery property?
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 5, 15 6:59 PM
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Erin (and a few others here) can't understand anything except their own perceived battles against "The Establishment". They are all victims of authority and thusly act like petulant children via kneejerk reactions when they discover society has placed boundaries on certain behavior.

They will hide behind their perceived "rights", but fail dismally when someone else's, in this case the cemetery, are duly violated.

Does hypocrite apply here?
By Mr. Z (11647), North Sea on Nov 6, 15 7:15 AM
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Got any more softballs, troglodytarum rex?
By Mr. Z (11647), North Sea on Nov 6, 15 8:09 PM
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By 27dan (2808), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 6, 15 9:12 PM
'Praise Allah': California stabber's manifesto included beheading plot, Islamic prayers...

Union: Obama threw workers 'under the bus' on KEYSTONE..
By 27dan (2808), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 6, 15 9:15 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By 27dan (2808), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 7, 15 7:40 AM
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By Erin 27 E (1254), hampton bays on Nov 8, 15 1:05 AM
we do not need the same here. these people should have to assimilate not change the country's they flee into.

its terrible
By Erin 27 E (1254), hampton bays on Nov 8, 15 1:07 AM
More off-topic drivel from the lot of you. Please go back to one thread for this nonsense.
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 8, 15 4:58 AM
Agreed.

And Erin, such a topic was not breached by yours truly. Find a quote to prove it. That's what educated people who engage in the scientific method and are not predisposed to polemics do. The bottom line is the property rights of the cemetery were violated. Not only that, but sacred ground was violated.
Nov 8, 15 5:30 AM appended by Mr. Z
You may also want to try the DOT-111 reader for your news...
By Mr. Z (11647), North Sea on Nov 8, 15 5:30 AM
Thank you editors for this morning's housecleaning.
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 8, 15 9:15 AM
Erin, because I commented on this you think I want to "club swans"? You have a pretty misdirected thought process. If the 10' was on your property would you feel the same? Deer fences, btw at 8 and 10' are very illegal in town.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Nov 8, 15 5:05 PM
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And that the fence owners had plenty of room to plant the hedge and erect the fence ON THEIR OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY (which was clearly delineated by the old pre-existing hedge on the west side of the cemetery)?

Thank you.
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 5, 15 7:02 PM
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Amazingly someone has added MORE HEDGE and irrigation at the Southwest corner of the cemetery, even with the previously planted hedge. This new hedge is shorter plant stock, and of a different color.

Hmmm, is the Town going to go after whoever planted this new hedge, right behind the corner lot at James Street and Post Lane?
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 7, 15 1:32 PM
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Yes yes ! send in the town to punish them. Then post there names in the town square for instaling some privet and ~ god forbid, a fence ~ and then shun them for all eternity.

By 27dan (2808), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 7, 15 5:12 PM
Off with their Hedges!!!
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Nov 7, 15 5:19 PM
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Stul huving pablems we see 27dan with those weerd murkz on da page which the rest of us can read?

T. R. E. S. P. A. S. S. I. N. G. by 10 feet past the old hedge which was clearly visible.
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 7, 15 6:20 PM
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what is the big deal already , they made a mistake and fixed it, wow
By Erin 27 E (1254), hampton bays on Nov 7, 15 10:07 PM
No they have NOT FIXED IT. The new hedges are still trespassing on Town property by about TEN FEET according to the article, and the old preexisting hedge was there all along as a marker of the fact that the new hedges and deer fence would be trespassing.

Why do you keep repeating the same old INCORRECT mantra?

Both new hedges are real facts to be dealt with. Soft-peddling the situation just ensures that other private property owners will feel free to trespass on the Town property.

Erin, ...more
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 8, 15 4:55 AM
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With Trump hosting, SNL jumped to its biggest overnight rating since 2012.

According to NBC, SNL had a whopping 6.6 household rating on Saturday night, easily beating the season’s previous high: the 41st season premiere last month, hosted by Miley Cyrus and with a guest appearance by none other than … Hillary Clinton. In fact, Trump’s overnight rating was 47 percent higher than the Miley/Hillary episode.
Nov 8, 15 2:38 PM appended by They call me
Yes I know PBR Its off Topic , I just wanted to make sure HHS And Z Saw It. Besides how much more talking about a hedge can we take.
By They call me (2786), southampton on Nov 8, 15 2:38 PM
Several people here are of the opinion the homeowner made an honest error, let It go already, You know like many on this site have let Hillary's dishonesty go without a comment

The hedge the hedge "T. R. E. S. P. A. S. S. I. N. G. by 10 feet

Good Lord, How about

P.E.R.J.U.R.Y.
T.A.M.P.E.R.I.N.G. with E.V.I.D.E.N.C.E
C.L.A.S.S.I.F.I.E.D
F.E.L.O.N.Y under 18 U.S.C. 798
S.E.R.I.A.L L.I.A.R
By They call me (2786), southampton on Nov 8, 15 2:50 PM
"I just wanted to make sure HHS And Z Saw It"

Yeah, because the two of us are SO uninformed. The worst presidents in American history were elected due to star [expletive deleted]. That includes not only Franklin Pierce, but all the post Civil War presidents up until Teddy Roosevelt who were puppets to the captains of industry.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Nov 8, 15 3:32 PM appended by Mr. Z
Yes, I said "star f******".
By Mr. Z (11647), North Sea on Nov 8, 15 3:32 PM
An "honest error?" Really . . .

You live in Southampton, tcm, have you gone by to see how far in from the old pre-existing hedge the new hedges are?
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 8, 15 3:50 PM
This thread is the most bizarre one to date ... I think It flew off the rail with "Off with their Hedges!!!"

LOL
By joe hampton (3420), southampton on Nov 8, 15 10:16 PM
I live in Flanders and we totley have hedges but you can see thru em
By local 84 (348), riverhead on Nov 8, 15 10:21 PM
Erin, ...more do you think that every property which abuts the cemetery should be free to unilaterally to move their property lines TEN FEET, without any consequence?

Then why have private property?

no i do not, but somtimes mistakes happen and has i just leared somtimes its not a mistake its a calculated risk

see: the teneo letter

By Erin 27 E (1254), hampton bays on Nov 9, 15 8:05 PM
to joe hampton:

Quote:

"This thread is the most bizarre one to date ... I think It flew off the rail with 'Off with their Hedges!!!'

LOL"
--------------------------------------------

You drive every thread that you contribute to off the rails.

Here, in four comments, you worked in Lyme Disease, the 2nd amendment, Hillary Clinton, and, finally, ended with the cluelessly ironic remark quoted above (referencing your own irrelevant performance [?]), ...more
By highhatsize (4176), East Quogue on Nov 8, 15 10:38 PM
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Nonsense if I wanted to divert attention away from the public lynching of a couple who put up a fence in the wrong place. I would have mentioned the big story last week...

"Vile exploitation Video of Children Cursing GOP candidate Backfires Hard on progressives"
Nov 9, 15 6:33 AM appended by joe hampton
Or I could have mentioned how the progressive war on Cristmas has backfired last week on Simon Malls and Starbucks
By joe hampton (3420), southampton on Nov 9, 15 6:33 AM
So joe, we have your permission to come onto your property, including any commercial buildings or spec houses, and build a fence and plant privet 10' inside ON YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY ON ALL FOUR SIDES?

You have not confirmed that you have viewed the two new hedges, because if you had you would refrain from posting such mock innocence drivel IMO.

This appears to have been a deliberate act IMO. The only excuse might be that the surveys for the two properties in question were seriously ...more
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 9, 15 9:42 AM
PBR, I am not saying that the Issue should not be addressed just that the drama is way overblown, I am sure It will get sorted out
By joe hampton (3420), southampton on Nov 9, 15 1:22 PM
" . . . overblown . . . drama . . . ? "

Glass houses . . . ?
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 9, 15 1:33 PM
It seems to me after reading all these comments, the people pushed the limit of where they could plant the hedge and fence. they probably thought since it was a cemetery nobody would ever raise any objection. I did go by and look yesterday not because I was on a mission but because I was passing close by. That said I do not think any grave sites were damaged or infringed upon. whether it was a mistake or a deliberate act, what is the difference they rectified the situation. It seems like some of ...more
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Nov 9, 15 10:18 AM
Are you saying that both new hedges have been removed, and that this was done with the permission of the Town and the Town's anthropological experts who supervised the removal of the privet from possible graves?

As of Saturday morning, both new hedges were still there.

By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 9, 15 12:08 PM
What is the difference? How about if it was something of yours that you respected, treasured, and told your children that your, and thus their, ancestors are buried there? If the locals don't speak up the newbies will ruin all our history and the real beauty of this part of Long Island.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Nov 9, 15 12:07 PM
" If the locals don't speak up / This part of Long Island "

By summertime , Summerfield Fl

LOLLLL
By Undocumented Democrat (2030), southampton on Nov 9, 15 1:13 PM
summertime has more local in her IMO than most of the rest of us put together, but unless you have been paying attention the substance of her many posts, you might missed this (among other missed nuances of life)

Hazel would have enjoyed reading your posts, summertime, as have I.
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 9, 15 1:35 PM
Oh! and by going over the line they are stealing land that belongs to the village.......the people of said village whose ancestors are buried there andyes that means me and my family.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Nov 9, 15 12:12 PM
If you run an Internet search for one of the property owners in quotes ["Anne Chwat"] you will find that she has been a corporate attorney for different companies, and that she has [ in my personal opinion and assuming that we are talking about the same person ], the education and managerial skills to have known that the new hedge and fence were not on her property.

Certainly, if there is some kind of "innocence" being claimed, the Press and reporter Erin McKinley could do us all a favor ...more
By PBR (4951), Southampton on Nov 9, 15 12:35 PM
whatever....
By Undocumented Democrat (2030), southampton on Nov 9, 15 1:14 PM

Hugh Hewitt vs.Scarborough on Bias Against Carson: Even I must admit media hasn't covered Clinton's scandals very thoroughly
Nov 9, 15 6:49 PM appended by They call me
The Teneo letter *** Here is what HHS does not want you to find out about, Clinton Signed NDA Laying Out Criminal Penalties for Mishandling of Classified Info - Dem presidential candidate and her top aides signed NDAs warning against ‘negligent handling’ of classified information As the nation’s chief diplomat, Hillary Clinton was responsible for ascertaining whether information in her possession was classified and acknowledged that “negligent handling” of that information could jeopardize national security, according to a copy of an agreement she signed upon taking the job. A day after assuming office as secretary of state, Clinton signed a Sensitive Compartmented Information Nondisclosure Agreement that laid out criminal penalties for “any unauthorized disclosure” of classified information. CAN ANYONE SAY SMOKING GUN ~
By They call me (2786), southampton on Nov 9, 15 6:49 PM
omg i am shocked that this teneo letter is not all over the news. if its true than wtf?
By Erin 27 E (1254), hampton bays on Nov 9, 15 8:02 PM
to They call me & Erin 27 E:

Since Hillary included NO data in her emails that was classified when she wrote them, your reiteration of charges of criminal behavior which depend on an actus reus that never occurred is nothing but (another) groundless, partisan smear.

The State Department's inspector general (N.B. a "real" cop rather than a Trey Gowdy wannabe) is conducting an investigation with which Teneo is cooperating and to which its answer of Benghazi committee questions would ...more
By highhatsize (4176), East Quogue on Nov 10, 15 2:57 AM
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"Since Hillary included NO data in her emails that was classified when she wrote them..."

Not sure if it technically criminal or not, but she IS responsible for determining if email she is handling IS or IS NOT classified -whether she wrote it or not. If it IS supposed to be classified (based on its content), she IS responsible for taking the necessary corrective action. The very FACT that she had the clearance, signed the document acknowledging that she would follow security standards, ...more
By Po Boy (5043), Water Mill on Nov 10, 15 8:09 AM
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if this truly "amounts to nothing," as mr hat whould have you belive, then why is the fbi expanding their investigation?

why did she use a private server to begin with?

try a little honesty. It's frightening that you dismiss the obvious, and basicly say this "amounts to nothing."

this is about the integrity of our leadership that we depend on

and that sir amounts to EVERYTHING.
By Erin 27 E (1254), hampton bays on Nov 10, 15 8:21 AM
‘Separation of powers remains the law of the land': Appeals Court Stops Obama’s Executive Amnesty

The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals issued a ruling on Monday evening effectively putting a halt to President Barack Obama’s executive amnesty program. Texas and 26 other states joined in the lawsuit to block the Administration’s illegal action.
By They call me (2786), southampton on Nov 10, 15 8:11 AM
please remove They call me comment
By westhamptonboy (227), Westhampton on Nov 10, 15 11:43 AM
Its not off topic at all the article is about putting up fences

westhamptonboy, Pay more attention, Your Fired!
By They call me (2786), southampton on Nov 10, 15 1:59 PM
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why? While off topic it's good news
By bigfresh (4590), north sea on Nov 10, 15 12:57 PM
Good news indeed
By 27dan (2808), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 10, 15 1:36 PM
to Po Boy:

You are mistaken, both the ACTUS REUS and the MENS REA requisite for any charge are wholly lacking. Not only were Hillary's emails devoid of any classified data but she was unaware that any of the data that she included MIGHT BE classified at a later date.

Data isn't always self-evidently classified. For instance, the city is which a government official is or will be located on a particular day may be deemed “secret”, depending on circumstances.

Hillary ...more
By highhatsize (4176), East Quogue on Nov 11, 15 1:37 AM
COMMUNIST
SOCIALIST
DEMOCRAT
PROGRESSIVE
COLLOGE STUDENT RACIAL VICTIMS IN SEARCH OF A SAFE SPACE

Keep changing the name,
Eventually you will fool someone.
By Undocumented Democrat (2030), southampton on Nov 11, 15 10:04 AM
oh please mr hat

hillary is as phony as that new wig she has been wearing
By Erin 27 E (1254), hampton bays on Nov 11, 15 10:19 AM
Just watched last nights dabate. wow!

Cruz looked great

Cristy had a good night as well.

but Rubio, Noooo thank you !
By 27dan (2808), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 11, 15 5:21 PM
She had her illegal sever scrubbed HH, then made the magnanimous gesture of turning it over to be scrutinized. She is a grafter and a charlatan, and you sir are too blind to see it.
By bigfresh (4590), north sea on Nov 11, 15 7:41 AM
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Is he ?
By 27dan (2808), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 11, 15 7:56 AM
Its ok we can all relax now... The University of Missouri-Columbia has named a new Chancellor for inclusion, diversity and equity,

whaaaaaaa
Nov 11, 15 10:25 AM appended by joe hampton
I am sure his first order of business will be to make sure that the faculty represents diverse views. Of course, that would mean hiring more Conservative and Libertarian professors.
By joe hampton (3420), southampton on Nov 11, 15 10:25 AM
University of Missouri professor Melissa Click seen in a viral video bullying a student journalist out of a campus “safe space” apologized in a statement Tuesday.

“Yesterday was an historic day at MU—full of emotion and confusion. I have reviewed and reflected upon the video of me that is circulating, and have written this statement to offer an apology for my actions,”

“I have reached out to the journalists involved to offer my sincere apologies ...more
Nov 11, 15 11:08 AM appended by They call me
Professor Click YOUR FIRED!
By They call me (2786), southampton on Nov 11, 15 11:08 AM
Just went by the cemetery their was somone measuring for somthing
By Erin 27 E (1254), hampton bays on Nov 11, 15 4:00 PM
Like we said last week they are aware of the mistake and it will sort itself out, the guy was probably doing a new survey and then then will redo the job in Its proper location. This stuff happens 10 times a week in South and East Hampton... STAY CALM and go back to your cooking Pot roasts
Nov 11, 15 4:56 PM appended by joe hampton
before someone goes off I said that for the panic stricken old timers not because anyone is a women
By joe hampton (3420), southampton on Nov 11, 15 4:56 PM
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Looks like you scared them all away . After all they don't want to have a conversation that might expose there ideology, they just want to talk about what they want in this case an evilll fence and hedge.lol
By Undocumented Democrat (2030), southampton on Nov 11, 15 9:07 PM
CAMPUS CRAZIES ON ‘MILLION STUDENT MARCH’

Student demonstrations are set to engulf the U.S. today in the ‘Million Student March’, as activists from campuses around the country stage a day of protests against tuition fees and student debt, further inflamed by recent social justice protests at Yale and Missouri.
By joe hampton (3420), southampton on Nov 12, 15 2:00 PM
Erin 27 E - If your neighbor put a fence 10 feet over your property line, adding ten feet to their property & taking ten feet away from your property - what would you say - after they did not admit to the error and had to be brought before a committee to make appropriate changes? Just curious. Would you be so understanding? Or would you wonder if "eminent domain" was at play? This was a calculated risk on the part of those that made the error. Point being - many times they are not caught. ...more
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Nov 12, 15 5:26 PM
FYI Erin 27 E - Indigenous plants are plants that were here even before you - Like Montauk daisy, any type of evergreen like Larch or Fir trees - dwarf pines - rhododendron, azalea - even some privets are evergreen - well - am not a botanist but that's enough flowers for me - and deer do not eat impatiens, phlox, salvia, cleomes - flowers aplenty. Go to Lynch - they will be happy to help you out.
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Jan 7, 16 3:50 PM
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