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Oct 5, 2009 11:05 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton Town deputy supervisor confronts, shoves PBA president over comments about budget

Oct 5, 2009 11:05 AM

Tempers flared at Town Hall Friday afternoon after the deputy supervisor confronted the head of the Southampton Patrolman Benevolent Association following a discussion of Supervisor Linda Kabot’s proposed $78.8 million budget.

Apparently angered over comments made during the special meeting by Southampton PBA President Patrick Aubé, who criticized the proposed spending plan that includes 48 layoffs, Deputy Supervisor Bill Jones stopped Mr. Aubé in the hallway and, at one point, shoved him in front of several witnesses.

As tempers continued to flare, Mr. Aubé said that he was physically pushed by Mr. Jones. PBA Vice President Kevin Gwinn came to Mr. Aubé’s aid and tried to separate the two men.

“I’ll lock him up,” Mr. Aubé said to Mr. Gwinn, before stating to Mr. Jones, “You are going to jail.”

While trying to calm him, Mr. Gwinn warned Mr. Jones that he was being “physically aggressive.”

Apparently unfazed by the warning, Mr. Jones shouted “get your hand off me!” and proceeded to blast both men for opposing the supervisor’s budget.

“I am infuriated at the BS that we had to listen to,” Mr. Jones said. “You don’t know what you’re talking about! I know this budget inside and out.”

After hearing the shouting, Ms. Kabot exited the Town Board workroom and rushed into the fray, and asked Mr. Jones to stop. “This is the end of the conversation,” Ms. Kabot said.

Speaking at the special meeting, Mr. Aubé stated that he opposed the layoffs and proposals that veteran police officers forgo longevity pay. Mr. Aubé said the 48 layoffs proposed in the budget would cause the “destruction of families” and that town officials should instead offer employees reduced work schedules with adjustments in pay.

“I urge the Town Board to oppose your proposed budget,” Mr. Aubé said.

But once he left the room, Mr. Aubé was confronted in the hallway by Mr. Jones, who is also the town’s director of human services—a department that faces four layoffs—and the shouting began.

Later, Ms. Kabot said she was “embarrassed” by the spat. She said she needed time to consider whether any disciplinary action was warranted against Mr. Jones.

When reached later, Mr. Aubé said he was not pressing any charges against Mr. Jones.

Ms. Kabot noted that town officials have worked long hours and “burned the midnight oil” this week to compile the budget by the September 30 midnight deadline, as required by state law.

“Tempers are very, very high. A lot of emotions are raw right now,” Ms. Kabot said. “For [the budget] to be described as ‘smoke and mirrors’ when we knew this is open, honest and transparent is upsetting.”

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Bravo Mr Jones. Mr Aube should accept layoffs within the overpaid police dept. The rest of us have to suffer with layoffs. Let's be real
By nurse (53), sag harbor on Oct 2, 09 7:21 PM
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Yes, Mr Aube certainly should accept some layoffs within the WELL-paid police department. He's essentially a union representative whose sole purpose is to further the interests of that union.

And public posturing is always part of that representation.

What it comes down to after all the "He said/I was there" stuff, is should the Southampton Town Police Department be exempt from the economic hardships the rest of us are having to deal with?
By Frank Wheeler (1794), Northampton on Oct 3, 09 12:36 PM
This is just part of the ongoing melt down of Team Kabot. Bill Jones needs to calm down. It is no way for a senior town official to conduct himself and an embarrassment to the Kabot administration. As a former elected official, Jones should know better.
By JimmyKBond (152), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 09 5:15 PM
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Nurse is absolutely right! Last I checked, veteran cops were making $100,000+ a year, (to sit in a Crown Vic. all day, issuing seatbelt tickets). Forgoeing "longevity" pay wont cause the "destruction of families" -- It might make it harder for some of the cops to make their boat payments, or payments on their 2nd home in Florida, but trust me, it wont "Destroy" any families!
By nicole (96), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 09 9:20 PM
As one of those several witnesses at town hall this afternoon I watched as Mr Aube and Deputy Supervisor Bill Jones argued about the budget and comments made by Aube & Gwinn. Mr. Jones never raised his hands to Mr. Aube if fact Mr. Jones was holding some papers in his hand. Mr. Guinn told Mr. Jones that they should be discussing this in private and also said that Jones was embrassing himself. Gwinn was standing in front of the tb room door and after about a minute Guinn walked over to the other ...more
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 2, 09 8:06 PM
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Get your eyes checked right away.
By rocky (79), shampton on Oct 2, 09 8:17 PM
Brian Finlayson didn't miss anything, he was standing right there with the rest of us and all the other reporters who witnessed Mr. Jones violent outburst. He should be a man and take responsibility for his actions and move on. And I hope he doesn't blame somebody else for what he did like Mrs. Kabot always seems to do.
By rocky (79), shampton on Oct 2, 09 8:45 PM
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I don't know if Brian Finlayson saw the incident or not. I do know that he missed important details in an earlier article.

That earlier article was on a separate subject (See Residents Outraged Over Proposed Windmill Plan at http://www.27east.com/story_detail.cfm?id=236461) regarding neighbors' opposition to construction of a wind turbine in Shinnecock Hills by a resident there who also owns a wind turbine company in Flanders. Interestingly, the neighborhood opposition is led by Charles ...more
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Oct 5, 09 7:36 PM
It is a sad day for Mr. Jones and WestPoint. Mr. Aube never said "smoke and mirrors". It was obvious that he was reading from a written statement. Mr. Gwinn said "smoke and Mirrors". I was present at the meeting and in the hallway when Mr. Jones pushed through reporters to get at Mr. Aube. Mr Jones and the Town should be embarrassed by what he did. I have never seen anything like it before. Mr Jones should resign. I was embarrassed for him.
By rocky (79), shampton on Oct 2, 09 8:08 PM
rocky
It was Gwinn who said smoke & mirrors
Jones never pushed through reporters to get to Aube, in fact Jones was talking to one of the reporter prior to talking with Aube & Gwinn. He did not seek out
the 2 police officers.
Aube & Gwinn were grandstanding with the statements made, because of the dislike for Kabot. Jones did nothing wrong.
Oct 2, 09 8:38 PM appended by golfbuddy
It was Gwinn who said smoke & mirrors
By golfbuddy (180), hampton bays on Oct 2, 09 8:38 PM
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Golfbuddy

Nice try Linda. Down the hatch.
By rocky (79), shampton on Oct 2, 09 8:49 PM
I'll say it again.....at least the titanic had a band!
By oceanview (14), hampton bays on Oct 2, 09 8:56 PM
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rocky
You say you were there, did you see Jones shove anyone?
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 2, 09 9:02 PM
Not only shove Mr. Aube, but continued to block him from leaving.
By rocky (79), shampton on Oct 2, 09 9:54 PM
Actor Gary Cooper's wife, a Southampton gal, was named "Rocky." That's a silly point to attempt to make.
By Frank Wheeler (1794), Northampton on Oct 3, 09 12:24 PM
rocky?
What kind of name is rocky for a female?
You are so off base with the Linda thing.
By golfbuddy (180), hampton bays on Oct 2, 09 9:10 PM
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rocky
you have no idea what you are talking about. Jones was standing with his back up against the wall in the corner of the hall. No way he blocked anyone from leaving. You are lying.
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 2, 09 10:15 PM
You obviously came in late. You missed the initial moments. You can say what you want. But I was there. And I'm not the only that is willing to back Mr. Aube and Mr. Gwinn.
By rocky (79), shampton on Oct 2, 09 10:25 PM
Mr. Gwinn was there to speak out for the CSEA members that could not be there. (Southampton Town employees) He wasn't there to speak about the SH Police Department. I was appalled by the behavior of Mr. Jones in the hallway. I applaud someone like Mr. Gwinn who gave his own time to speak up for fellow Town workers that he has worked with directly or indirectly throughout his career. The only mistake Mr. Gwinn made was not arresting Mr. Jones.
By Stella (11), Westhampton on Oct 2, 09 10:20 PM
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Give me a break Gwinn & Aube could care less about the CSEA members.
Both he and Aube went to this meeting to put down this budget because they want Ms. Throne-Holst to win in November. They endorced her for supervisor, thats why they showed up for this meeting. What time did they use, they were there as PBA representatives.
If Jones had really shoved Aube you better believe he would have been arrested.
Should Throne-Holst win in November what will she owe them? What will she have to ...more
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 2, 09 11:00 PM
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Is this the same Bill Jones who wrote a letter to the editor of the press two weeks ago stating that America is "such a pathetic, despicable nation" for trying to insure uninsured Americans?
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 2, 09 11:16 PM
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This Town is becoming a joke. The Supervisor is charged with DWI, our finances are a mess, and now public officers are getting into physical confrontations. Shameful.
By HB90 (146), southampton on Oct 2, 09 11:18 PM
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Linda Kabot talking about "open, honest and transparent "? HAH!
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Oct 2, 09 11:19 PM
What does it matter what candidate they are for and how do you Really know who they are voting for?? I heard them & I applaud them ONCE again for speaking out for others. Do you have a job? Is there a chance you might lose your job? I hope everyone in our community would step up like them to help Save jobs. There are alternitives to just lay-offs!!! Or in your world would you like your neighbors laid off & no police in our towns. Let me guess who you are voting for!!
By Stella (11), Westhampton on Oct 2, 09 11:21 PM
This is part of an article out of another local paper
What a different story.
Sorry but he did not even poke Aube.

With proposed layoffs of 48 employees over several departments and tensions running high, the deputy Southampton Town supervisor, William Jones, and Patrick Aube, the town's Policeman Benevolent Association's president, had an angry face-to-face confrontation outside the town board meeting room on Friday.

Mr. Jones, who according to a witness poked ...more
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 2, 09 11:22 PM
Why should the deputy supervisor be chasing someone out into the hallway to defend Ms. Kabot? Isn't she capable of defending herself, on the record? Or was she too preoccupied with her upcoming DWI trial to clear her name? By the way, there is no way in h**l that case will be tried before November 3.
By HB90 (146), southampton on Oct 2, 09 11:30 PM
Plain and simple -- Kabot goes down, Jones again loses another job. No too complicated, friends. Hence, his rash reaction ...
By JimmyKBond (152), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 09 5:20 PM
So now your quoting different papers. Mr. Jones Did confront Mr. Aube.

Let's get back to the heart of the matter. The town is proposing lay-offs!!!
What our community doesn't need or anyone else in this country is any more lay-offs! Around our Country many government agencies have come up with better alternatives like shorter work weeks until the economy turns around. The Boards ego shouldn't be bruised because the public disagreea with them.
By Stella (11), Westhampton on Oct 2, 09 11:35 PM
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Talk about hubris!

This incident would be noteworthy if it were unique. The truth is that Officers Aubé and Gwinn epitomize the entire STPD. They are so accustomed to using their arrest powers without troubling about justification that they threatened the second highest elected town official with false arrest in town hall itself! Sadly, had this incident occurred in the usual venue of their activity, an isolated traffic stop, Mr. Jones WOULD be in jail.

We need to reestablish ...more
By highhatsize (3568), East Quogue on Oct 2, 09 11:36 PM
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If you are calling Jones an elected offical your wrong, deputy supervisor is an appointed position. Also you say he was threatned with false arrest....false arrest usually comes AFTER you arrest someone.
By oceanview (14), hampton bays on Oct 3, 09 12:21 PM
Stella
Who knows if these 2 guys even live here. This is not only about who they are voting for, this is about getting everything they want when it come's to negotiating the police contract. Throne-Holst will owe them she is for sale.

They showed up for throne-holst because they endorced her for supervisor.
As I undersant this these layoffs are not written in stone. Other alternatives could be brought to the table.
Does this town need a police dept? Maybe not it may be cheaper ...more
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 2, 09 11:37 PM
Why can't you put politics aside (as in the upcoming election?) I have not responded to this article to promote any candidate - you obviously are. People have the right to question what their government is doing or not doing for them. To say anyone does not have the right to speak out against a proposal is not right and for a government official to lose his cool (if you prefer that term) on the public does not say much for that official. Tensions are running high for everyone even people who don't ...more
By Stella (11), Westhampton on Oct 2, 09 11:58 PM
if you're looking for cheaper, scpd makes more than southampton town police officers...and they're understaffed. good luck on a 911 call...
By butterfly (11), brookhaven on Nov 18, 09 10:04 PM
HB90
Jones did not chase anyone out into the hall. Read the story. But read all the paper's this article in not accurate no one did any shoving.
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 2, 09 11:43 PM
Lay-offs! Oh my God! Get real. A government job does not and should not entitle anyone to lifetime job security. If trimming the fat imporves the Town's fiscal health, so be it.

Stella: It would be far more exspensive for SCPD to cover the East End. Don't try to disband the SHTPD because you disagree with the PBA's chocie for supervisor.
By HB90 (146), southampton on Oct 2, 09 11:45 PM
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I'm sorry; "stopped" him in the hallway.
By HB90 (146), southampton on Oct 2, 09 11:46 PM
Last comment to eyewitness, not Stella. Sorry.
By HB90 (146), southampton on Oct 2, 09 11:47 PM
No problem HB90 - I want SH Police. There are other ways to trim the fiscal problem until things turn around. (I do not work for SH town -Iwould hate for anyone to lose their jobs)
By Stella (11), Westhampton on Oct 3, 09 12:06 AM
Stella
No one like's the idea of layoffs especially in this economy. Like I stated above
I don't think this budget as presented is written in stone it still has to vetted out by the entire town board.
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 2, 09 11:51 PM
You speak like a politician?
By Stella (11), Westhampton on Oct 3, 09 12:06 AM
Mr. Jones and me .... stumbling through the barrio
Yeah we stare at the beautiful women
"She's perfect for you, Man, there's got to be somebody for me."
I want to be Bob Dylan
Mr. Jones wishes he was someone just a little more funky
When everybody loves you, son, that's just about as funky as you can be
By Joelhassoul (34), Hampton Bays on Oct 2, 09 11:56 PM
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Hah!
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 09 10:10 AM
HB90
I'm not looking to disband the SH police, I was answering Stella on the no Police in our town question.
You came into the conversation a little late and are confused on who's who.
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 3, 09 12:00 AM
At 11:37 you stated & I quote "Does this town need a police dept?"
By Stella (11), Westhampton on Oct 3, 09 12:09 AM
Stella 11:21 you stated this
in your world would you like your neighbors laid off & no police in our towns.
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 3, 09 12:15 AM
Yes I replied to your comment "in Your (eyewitness) world would you like your neighbors laid off & no police in our towns.

You questioned the need for our police & maybe replacing them & seemed to be behind the Board on lay-offs. We do Need our police dep't & nobody needs to lose their jobs( this is what the meeting was about- lay-offs for town employee's). Don't try & twist peoples words!
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By Stella (11), Westhampton on Oct 3, 09 12:33 AM
To all those citizens who are up in arms about the 4.5 million dollar deficit in the police department's budget, here is a link to the official findings from the audit. You should read it all the way through and you will see that the misappropriation of funds did not happen on Ms. Kabot's watch, as some of you like to say. I found it interesting. Perhaps you will too.
http://www.town.southampton.ny.us/listing.ihtml?myid=2322&id=70&cat=Police%20Department
By treewoman (44), hampton bays on Oct 3, 09 6:28 AM
Highhat,
Bill Jones is NOT the "second highest elected official in out town" He was not elected to anything he was appointed.Now it is obvious you have police issues based on this and other posts to this board. Let me save you time and trouble. Police powers are given via the state, not the town. Neither your girl Linda, Bill Jones or anyone can "clip the wings" of law enforcement as you so wish.
Can you imagine a world where someone like Linda or Bill can designate which laws local poice ...more
By Terry (380), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 7:58 AM
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we have quiet a pair leading Southampton,wouldent it be ironic if Linda and Bill both ended up in Jail,I guess Pat Heeney would be the first to visit them or maby join them,git rid of this bunch of loosers this election and send Anna to clean up this GOP mess..
By Etians rd (468), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 8:21 AM
it's amazing how the residents say go ahead with the layoffs for the town. Wake up it's going to hurt you as well! You don't look at the whole picture! You complain now about the hwy dept not picking leaves up, all the pot holes around... guess what people... there on the list to get laid off. So don't complain then support to cut back.... now you'll never get your leaves picked up, never get your pot holes filled and on top of that welcome to winter! The town has cut back all overtime pay to CSEA ...more
By SHTownHB (74), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 09 8:54 AM
I know one way the town can save some money --- Fire Bill Jones!
By farmlocal (83), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 10:12 AM
Town deficit is about the same dollar amount as the expensive new courthouse. Any connection? Anybody know what percent of SH Town budget goes to the Police? Bet its the largest percent by far. I think the leaf pickup service the best thing the town does every year. What percent of budget does it add up to?
By Non-Political (56), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 09 10:45 AM
Non-Political
The highest percent of your tax bill is the volunteer fire depts and your school tax, not the police tax. You shouldnt compare the leaf pick-up with public safety. According to you your lawn is more important to you than the safety of our familys inside of our homes. All our services are well worth what we pay, By the way is the lowest tax rate on Long Island.You pay more per year for t.v cable/satllte service than you do for police services and Hwy Dept services.
By rocky (79), shampton on Oct 3, 09 2:29 PM
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I wish I had a union to ensure my job for life, inflate my salary and puff up my benefits while I take it easy as much as possible, to physically threaten government officials whose policies threaten my sweetheart deal, to abuse our arrest power, authority and public trust in order to protect our brethren, and to conspire with candidates to manipulate the will of the people and tamper with elections. What a nice life. If this is how the PBA acts in public, is it such a stretch to think this may ...more
By foxnfowl (17), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 11:06 AM
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According to the article, it was the deputy supervisor who pushed the PBA rep. Maybe you should read it again.

And how is it that EVERY single post you make is a negative reference to ATH?

Isn't anonymity great?
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 12:31 PM
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Sally

Of course we need a police force upholding the law in sh town.

My point is that these 2 police officer’s are using the presentation of the budget (and able to speak at this meeting) as a political platform for the candidate they endorsed for supervisor. They could care less about town employees. As the budget stands right now in addition to layoffs the town employees will not be getting any raises for 2010. The PBA is in the process of negotiating the contract for the police ...more
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 3, 09 11:25 AM
I've never felt compelled to answer someone on this board, by eyewitness is so off the mark with her own "smoke and mirrors" I feel I have to. These two individuals, Aube and Gwinn dont care about town employees?Aren't they town employees? And why give up a raise that isn't even there...you stated the town is in arbitration with the PD, so there is no raise for them to forgo. This 4.5 million PD deficit...occurred over a period of YEARS...why dont you look to see how overbudget that senior center ...more
By Bayman3142 (147), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 12:12 PM
Cancel the new Town Hall or put on hold, millions to be saved ez.
By Non-Political (56), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 09 12:18 PM
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Cancel the new Justice Court or put on hold, millions to be saved ez.
By Non-Political (56), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 09 12:19 PM
Can't, too much political patronage involved.
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 12:29 PM
OK people put politics and conspiracy theories aside for a minute and look at the facts:

* huge budget gap with Keystone Kop accountants and no resolution in sight
* DWI bust for the elected town leader who is supposed to be a role model
* Physical altercation involving the supervisor's appointed deputy
* Etc etc.

Regardless of whether you think the whole thing was a setup, you have to admit that there's a disturbing pattern of really poor behavior, lack of integrity, ...more
By littleplains (305), olde england on Oct 3, 09 12:35 PM
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No smoke and mirrors on my part, how about you?

Yes they are town employees but the PBA union is a different union then the CSEA. My point (that you chose to miss) was that if Aube and Gwinn are so concerned for the town employees being on a layoff list. Why are they negotiating a raise for the police force. If they were really concerned with the welfare of those on the layoff list the PBA could freeze the current salaries of the police and maybe save some jobs.
I never said that ...more
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 3, 09 1:19 PM
The president of the PBA does not decide who theyendorse .... the PBA as a whole votes to whom they would endorse.
By T.J. (29), WHB on Oct 3, 09 3:31 PM
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Here's an idea that works. As a retired military member that served his country 22 years, all public agencies such as police, fire, EMS, should be prohibited from publicly endorsing any person seeking political office. No military base, installation or member may endorse any candidate seeking public office regardless of the level of office. A individual member may support whom they choose to support but they may not do so while serving in their official capacity. If local agencies had to follow ...more
By jrw1262 (8), Westhampton on Oct 6, 09 12:39 PM
littleplain
'the thing that is disturbing is that you are disturbed. Do you have any real comments to contribute instead of some talking points you gather along the way.
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 3, 09 1:24 PM
To Terry,

To Terry:

I don't have, "issues", with the police department. I believe, specifically, that police officers routinely abuse their arrest powers when they pull over motorists for suspicion of DUI without probable cause. Officer Aubés threat to arrest Bill Jones without cause exemplifies their attitude.

I do not believe that requiring STPD officers to obey the law themselves would be, "clipping their wings".


By highhatsize (3568), East Quogue on Oct 3, 09 2:04 PM
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I have read your posts, you most certainly do have "issues" with the police department. And what about your response to the fact thatt, as Terry posted: "Bill Jones is NOT the 'second highest elected official in out town' He was not elected to anything he was appointed."
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 09 4:33 PM
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oh yea ... you're making sense ... stop pulling over drivers who got behind the wheel or are thought to have gotten behind the wheel after drinking ... who could be against pulling over someone suspected of DUI ? Only someone who was caught driving while drunk.
By JimmyKBond (152), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 09 5:47 PM
I was mistaken when I referred to Mr. Jones as an, "elected", official.

As clarification, I have but one, "issue", with the police department, that issue being that their obsession with booking DUI busts has caused them, as standard procedure, to pull over motorists who manifest no signs of drunkenness, relying on a breathalyzer test to validate at least a portion their arrests. As a result of their habitual arbitrary exercise of the arrest power in DUI busts, they now rely on self-assertion ...more
By highhatsize (3568), East Quogue on Oct 3, 09 6:09 PM
Tthis is the third time that I have had to state that I have never been arrested for DUI in answer to a baseless allegation. It would behoove posters such as JimmyKBond to learn the difference between a principled argument and an ad hominem attack. If you cannot make a reasoned response, casting aspersions on the person with whose point of view you disagree simply shows that you have no case to make.
By highhatsize (3568), East Quogue on Oct 3, 09 6:17 PM
You allege “that police routinely abuse their arrest powers”.

That this is your belief is clear as you have reiterated it ad nauseum throughout your comments. However, as you have not made any principled argument in support of your belief, your allegation is baseless. Casting aspersions upon the police does not make your case.
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 10:42 PM
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talking points? You watch a little too much Fox News. I suppose you consider "real comments" to be you and a bunch of other people arguing over trivial details of this altercation - but you can't deny that it happened.

I honestly have no idea who's telling the truth on this one and I don't care The fact is that our leaders and their chosen deputies are doing things like driving drunk and then having physical confrontations (perceived or real) with their opponents.

I think ...more
By littleplains (305), olde england on Oct 3, 09 2:33 PM
Close down the TOWN CLERKS ANNEX OFFICE IN HAMPTON BAYS AND SAVE MONEY WE DONT NEED IT
By Etians rd (468), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 2:43 PM
Speak for yourself! It's a schlepp from the Northwest end of Town to Soutampton Village, and I find the Annex in Hampton Bays very useful -- and resdeint-friendly.
By Frank Wheeler (1794), Northampton on Oct 3, 09 5:18 PM
eliminate the high cost office of "deputy supervisor" and like the good old days, have the elected CEO of the town -- the Supervisor -- take back those administrative duties.
By JimmyKBond (152), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 09 5:50 PM
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Question-if Linda loses the election does Bill Jones lose his job?
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Oct 3, 09 3:27 PM
GOOD question! The Deputy Supervisor is not an elected position, and my understanding is that he (or she) serves at the pleasure of the elected Supervisor.
By Frank Wheeler (1794), Northampton on Oct 3, 09 5:16 PM
One can only hope ...
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 6:21 PM
Bill Jones has been a public servant in many different capacities for many different years. This incident is certainly out of character for someone who has always been respectful and helpful to everyone. The comments Mr. Jones was reacting to must have been very hurtful and proably very bogus for him to get so upset.
By truthinbonac (46), Amagansett on Oct 3, 09 4:08 PM
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Highat,
Officer Aube's "threat" was AFTER MR Jones poked him in the chest. A lesser person would have knocked My Jones down. Officer Aube' merely advised Mr Jones that continued behavior like that could result in an arrest.
I agree with bonac, it is out of character for Mr Jones to behave like that. That does not mean he didn't do it.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 4:14 PM
According to the news article, Officer Aubé said, to Officer Gwinn, "I'll lock him up.", and then said, to Mr. Jones, "Your are going to jail". One can interpret this as advice that, ". . continued behavior like that could result in an arrest.", as you suggest. However, a more plausible interpretation, I believe, is that Officer Aubé was going to arrest Mr. Jones imminently. Had he done so, the arrest would have been thrown out as soon as it came before the district attorney. No doubt it was ...more
By highhatsize (3568), East Quogue on Oct 3, 09 6:49 PM
The extent of your astynomiaphobia is both highly obvious and worrisome. I recommend seeking immediate professional treatment. Electroshock therapy can be quite successful in cases like yours.
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 10:11 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By ridiculous (214), hampton bays on Oct 3, 09 4:41 PM
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Ridiculous: The PBA did offer concessions and a 2- million dollar savings to the town in overtime cutbacks and shift adjustments. Kabot refused the offer. That was offerred at prior public meetings that our community group attended. I think all groups are trying to help, even my CSEA. All this is public record. Do some homework first. P.S. So when did you get arrested or tickets that makes you so angry against our Police.
By rocky (79), shampton on Oct 3, 09 5:48 PM
i have done my homework. i've never been in trouble with the PD anywhere or received any tickets. Simple fact is aube and the PBA are mad Kabot tried to force retirements, now he is doing what he can to make her look bad. I don't want to hear what he tried. there are 5 people on this board, 2 of which have PBA endorsements, there is no problem with him getting support to implement any of the budget cuts he says he wants or any of the findings in the famous Bratton Study
By ridiculous (214), hampton bays on Oct 3, 09 8:13 PM
its humorous to hear aube and gwinn speak about layoffs in the Town when its their department thats contributing to the layoffs. the police department is operating in a 5 million dollar deficit and they are not making any concessions. they are holding up negotiations because they want a 4.5% raise. 90% of the SHPD makes in total (benefits and salary) aprox $175k. how about aube and gwinn work with the Town to reduce their deficit and forgo raises like everyone else. how about they offer concessions ...more
By ridiculous (214), hampton bays on Oct 3, 09 4:41 PM
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another ignorant comment from an ignorant person. police put their life's on the line everyday they go to work. they wear a bullet proof vest for a reason. in an emergency you ridiculous would flee and our cops would go towards. it's what a cop just MAY have to do. something not anywhere close to the daily responsibilities you have day in and day out.
By WESTEND (15), quogue on Oct 9, 09 1:40 AM
why does the taxpayer have to pay for disability for someone who crashed their own motorcycle on the way to work? thats apparently injured in the line of duty. why does the taxpayer have to pay for those who insist on getting a 4% raise during these tough times? why does almost 100% of the SHPD make over 100k (benefits salary)? I'm all for police but these guys are outrageous and act as if they police a war zone and are paid like they do.

FYI when you name call you sound like Aube and ...more
By ridiculous (214), hampton bays on Oct 10, 09 7:52 AM
Monies allocated to the PD were not moved into the correct accounts. It was fiscal mismanagement not because of the police. This shortfall in the PD was yet another fumble by our ruling party.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 6:23 PM
I agree they police is way over pay, we are in tough time, and they have to face reality too like all of us.
By Bel (86), southampton on Oct 3, 09 6:30 PM
rocky
$200,000 or $2 million in concessions?
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 3, 09 7:10 PM
The Deputy Supervisor is an unpaid position. Mr. Jones is the Director of Human Services he was given extra duties as deputy supervisor with no extra pay. This was in the paper's at the time, everyone should know the answer to that question.
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 3, 09 7:48 PM
I am wondering why that particular photo of Bill Jones was chosen to accompany the article. It seems very "National Enquirerish" to me. Bill Jones is a kind hearted mild mannered gentleman, PBA guys were pushing buttons to get Bill to react as he did, if in fact the article and/or supposed eyewitnesses are truthful in their accounts of the situation. Either way the photo is deceiving.
By wondering (63), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 8:02 PM
I am in fact a retired Southampton Town Police Officer and have worked with both Mr. Aube and Mr. Guinn. They are NOT aggressive in any way. They are charged as officers of the union to best represent the members. And, they do a wonderful job. If you take the time to look at your tax bill you will see that the POLICE BUDGET costs less then a cup of coffee a day. The person with interest in Suffolk County Police Dept. taking over for the town,,, SCPD submitted a model of coverage years ago and ...more
By Middleman (16), east quogue on Oct 3, 09 9:50 PM
how many ST police personnel make /$100,000+???
and now they want 12 hour tours so they can show up for work less frequently?
You guys do OK - you do a good job and are paid accordingly.
By North of Highway (279), Westhampton Beach on Oct 3, 09 10:54 PM
OK unions- no cooperation - then Team Kabot is forced to do layoffs - the worst way to go - but she is offering an alternative. Cut the non-sense CSEA and PBA - its either cooporate or layoffs - and you're the blame if that happens- not Kabot.
At least with either furloughs, payroll lag or wage deferrals people - yes your members - get to keep their jobs - and benefits - New York City went through this in the 1970's - the unions balked - and Mayor Beame laid off thousands - including cops.
By North of Highway (279), Westhampton Beach on Oct 3, 09 11:08 PM
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Middleman
We do have a very good police force in the Town of Southampton. I admire your loyalty to your friends and the code of silence that bond you. I’m sure they may be very good police officer’s and do the job they were hired to do.
However the display of behavior shown on Friday and in the past is very different from the 2 officers you are describing.

I took the time as you suggested and looked at my tax bill. The police budget is the second highest priced item represented ...more
Oct 3, 09 11:09 PM appended by eyewitness
Just to be clear that is my quote not yours: Remember "A person no matter who they are: innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt."
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 3, 09 11:09 PM
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By Common Sense (56), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 11:16 PM
SH Native: It was not a case simply of Town Hall being at fault and the Police Dept was innocent - that is a clear misunderstanding. They did get the money that they overspent. The Police Dept. gave so much remuneration to its cops way in excess of their budget by $4.5 Million, and covered their deficit spending by borrowing from the Town's general fund.

The previous administration covered this deficit by drawing cash from the general fund but did not reduce the fund balance giving the ...more
By Common Sense (56), Southampton on Oct 3, 09 11:25 PM
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Gwinn's statements are ridiculous and recklessly inacurrate... I'm not surprised Mr. Jones was so upset. Watch the video yourselves, they are all on the town's web site.
By eagleeye (49), Sag Harbor on Oct 4, 09 7:45 AM
To eagleeye:

Could you post a link to the videos that you mention. I can't find them on the town's website. Thanks.
By highhatsize (3568), East Quogue on Oct 4, 09 5:56 PM
Never mind. I found it. You get access through the Town Clerk's Citizens Portal.
By highhatsize (3568), East Quogue on Oct 4, 09 6:04 PM
eagleeye
If you think those statements were bad try watching the tb meeting of August 26, 2008 where this officer told Kabot in a heated speech how her term as supervisor would be short. The disrespectful behavior childish.
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 4, 09 9:59 AM
for the average citizen this would have been a discon at the least with a trip down to justice court in the basement. The restraint shown by Gwinn and Aube epitomizes the way a police officer should conduct himself. It must be comforting as a police officer knowing that you have a strong union that has your back.

As for police salary's our cops are worth every penny. Many of you commenting on salary's are the first ones to call 911 when your neighbor's dog is barking for more than 3 ...more
By politcal pawn (117), Flanders on Oct 4, 09 8:06 PM
What does, "discon", mean?
By highhatsize (3568), East Quogue on Oct 4, 09 10:31 PM
Disorderly conduct.

But more likely he would be charged with harassment. If he did in fact shove him. I don't know how much closer you could get to the definition of harassment than what allegedly happened. Aube would have been well within his rights to arrest him. Prudent thing to do? Probably not. But shoving somebody you know to be a police officer is.. well.. not smart.

As an aside, I don't know how there can be question whether or not he shoved him or "finger poked" him, ...more
By diy_guy (101), Southampton on Oct 5, 09 7:22 PM
and thats what they are paid to do - and they do it well.
they should not be a political entity, do your job, you will be well compensated for it.
Stay out of politics.
By North of Highway (279), Westhampton Beach on Oct 4, 09 9:50 PM
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When Linda is in rehab perhaps Bill could take anger management classes,,after all when the election is over they will both have plenty time on their hands while looking for a new line of work,
By Etians rd (468), Southampton on Oct 5, 09 12:12 AM
To eagleeye:

Thanks for the information that town council meetings are available on the town website. I took a look at the August 26, 2008 video and it was a revelation.

Officers Aubé and Gwinn were again in attendance, this time protesting a suggestion by the Supervisor that, for budgetary reasons, the town consider not continuing the employment of cops who have served twenty years. (The terms of a cop’s contract are that they retire after twenty years but the town MAY continue ...more
By highhatsize (3568), East Quogue on Oct 5, 09 1:16 AM
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You are correct highhatsize
The police were out of control at this meeting (8/26/08). They could care less about the employees under the CSEA union. They were just grandstanding at this meeting on Friday and they used it for a political platform for Throne-Holst.
The police union endorsed Throne-Holst for supervisor. Should she win in November, could see enforce the law of the town of sh? The law states that at the option of the tb police office's must retire after 20 years. The answer ...more
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 5, 09 8:21 AM
Good point Eyewitness
You may remember ATH was all for granting some police officers full retirement benefits when they realized they could not squeeze in 20 years before retirement. It was a free gift to the union - it should have been addressed in collective bargaining and the union should have had to pay for it.
By North of Highway (279), Westhampton Beach on Oct 5, 09 12:06 PM
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NOW NOW Children, play nice!
By k555s (2), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 09 1:55 PM
The Press erred in attributing the "smoke and mirrors" quote to Mr. Aube and the story has been corrected to reflect that.
Brendan O'Reilly
27east Web Editor
By BOReilly (133), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 09 3:04 PM
Just watched the video tape-Linda did a great job. She won my vote and deserves to be re-elected
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Oct 5, 09 6:07 PM
If the town board really wants to save some money they should put an end to all the fraudulent overtime the cops use to pad their pensions. This scam has been going on for years and is costing the taxpayers millions that could really help with the budget issues.
By bird (689), Southampton on Oct 5, 09 6:30 PM
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your out of your mind. Your also ignorant for making that comment. The first thing a sergeant is taught is how to cut overtime. There's no way a cop is allowed to sit on overtime unjustifiably. Most of the overtime comes from federal grants. Which include DWI patrol and aggressive driving. All of which are payable back to southampton town court. And if a cop is on overtime it's because he's doing his job mr or mrs bird. A cop can easily be assigned an emergency call 20 minutes b4 his shift is up ...more
By WESTEND (15), quogue on Oct 8, 09 7:47 PM
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Honestly- I don't get some of you people!! Why has it gone back to the pollice??
It's about lay-offs to fellow neighbors-the police were not involved in this talk. 2 members from the police dep't were there to back other town employees.

Eyewitness & eastend68 (with all their commets to the press in the last few months) are obviously politically connected!!!
By Stella (11), Westhampton on Oct 5, 09 11:04 PM
Last thing - why does Eyewitness keep bringing everything back to the SH polce Dep't? Who would remember every exact date of SH Town meetings that didn't go Kabot's way? Kabot would! Grow up - if you were elected take the arguments from your towns people!

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By Stella (11), Westhampton on Oct 5, 09 11:20 PM
Stella
The 2 police office's used the supervisors presentation of the budget as a political platform in an effort to promote the candicate they are endorsing for supervisor. They were insulting, stating that she failed the people and the budget was all smoke and mirrors. What don't you get.
Its gone to the police dept because they dont care about the CSEA employees all they care about is getting the candicate they endorsed for supervisor elected. Also, what comments in the last few months, ...more
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 6, 09 12:41 AM
Here is a link to the stunning salaries of the town police. (pps. 6 - 9): http://www.town.southampton.ny.us/2009Budget/2010-TENT-town-police.pdf

Contrast these figures with Officer Gwinn's melodramatic claim that the Supervisor's budget cuts would, "destroy families". If anyone destroys officers' families it will be their fellow officers who refuse to accept a modest reduction in their extraordinary compensation rather than have some of the lowest rankers terminated.
By highhatsize (3568), East Quogue on Oct 6, 09 12:59 AM
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Highhatsize
Is correct the town web site is an informational tool to keep residents in the loop of what going on in town. The entire budget is posted.
Stella
For your information all the town board meetings are on the town clerk portal as mentioned by another blogger above. Here you can do a search and find video's of any town board meeting of interest to you.
By eyewitness (21), southampton on Oct 6, 09 8:16 AM
Politicians should realize that they will be critisized on occassion, it comes with the job. If they cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen. People have the right to speak out, wether for or against. Mr. jones should take responsibilty for a bad moment and move on and Mrs Kabot should move on as well. When this budget crises is over, we should all get together at "Magic's" pub and have a couple of shots. Again.
By rocky (79), shampton on Oct 7, 09 1:05 AM
If they managed their money wisely over the years, they can sure as hell afford a pay cut.

Let's remember to thank all the lovely rich people who brought us this mess, by driving up the cost of everything, and usurping the town for their own excess.

Quit fighting amongst ourselves, and maybe put up a fight against the disparity that has been created.

That's my two cents...
By Mr. Z (10157), North Sea on Oct 6, 09 1:13 PM
Wow what a lot of bruhaha! It's almost as hot up there as it is here in Fla. I know how much it costs to live in the Hamptons. So maybe they need the $$$? But as we learned back in the 1930's one can live on less and looks like the local blue collar worker needs to learn that lesson now. I am so sorry that tempers flare so readily nowadays. Like it or not I firmly belive that the yelling, screaming, nasty language, complete lack of manners can be laid at the door of Fox, Rudolph Murrdock, and his ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Oct 7, 09 4:06 PM
Get him Bill Jones! Finally someone in the town office with a set of Balls!!!!!
By jonnyhampton (29), Southampton on Oct 7, 09 10:56 PM
oh my, can anyone now really believe that Linda Kabot wasn't set up for the alleged dui wrap. Its time Mr. Davis, who seems fair and unpartial call for Anna Throne-Holst to release all of her communication that night, emails, texting, etc and who she then called at that late hour.
Lets really get to the bottom of this slime once and for all-Linda made public her source of info-how about Throne-holst?
By foxnfowl (17), Southampton on Oct 8, 09 4:52 PM
if you drive drunk then you deserve what you get. how about a few parents from MADD to let you know how they feel. it's a good thing ms kabot didn't hurt anyone otherwise that would of been really bad all around.
By WESTEND (15), quogue on Oct 8, 09 7:56 PM
What a Soap Opera....he did this, she said that.....point point point....Town people voted for who's in charge, live with it till November and you get to Vote again. As for the Cops, whocares how much they make and what they do with there $$$. Live without them for one week and then tell me what you think.
By 1640sWhaler (70), Sag Harbor/Easthampton on Oct 9, 09 4:59 PM
You are probably unaware that 27 of the STPD cops have been on the job for more than twenty years, the anniversary date on which their contracts require that they retire. Their salary tab is $3.6M annually. While a few cops are always retained beyond twenty years, the majority don't make the cut and retire. However, the Southampton Town Council has generously retained in employment officers who should have been replaced by new hires, (at less than half their pay).

The Town can no longer ...more
By highhatsize (3568), East Quogue on Oct 9, 09 10:11 PM
I think the STPD salaries are fine. It can contiribute to a top force with a larger number of academy graduates applying and competing to work here. It also is a model for the rest of the country that this profession is worthy of a good salary. There also is the factor that the cost of living is higher here than other places. Can you blame the union for trying to get as much as they can? This is what people do in all fields, they ask for more than they know they will get in order to be in the ...more
By heath (18), southampton on Oct 10, 09 9:40 AM
You are missing THE important point. Each police officer, when he first signs on, agrees to a contract stipulating that after twenty years, he will retire.

The brouhaha at the August 26, 2008 Town Council Meeting, where cops appeared en mass in uniform, occurred because Linda Kabot dared to suggest that six of the supra-contractual cops should be retired. The Chief had recommended these six for retirement of all the cops who have worked beyond the twenty year maximum. Since it is the ...more
By highhatsize (3568), East Quogue on Oct 10, 09 5:48 PM
The salaries our STPD earn is less than an SCPD officer. Just look at the Suffolk County website and see what they earn. Then you'll be thankful for our wonderful officers.
By lifesaver (115), speonk on Oct 13, 09 8:01 AM
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At least these guys showed some spirit, which is more than Town Councilman Chris Nuzzi has demonstrated in four long and drowsy years in office. Speaking of Chris Nuzzi, check out the latest on Chris Nuzzi and the Sign Dogs. See my recent comments starting Oct. 20, 09 under the article "Southampton Town personnel grew while revenues were abundant."
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