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Counter Protest By Immigrant Laborers Held At Southampton 7-Eleven

Publication: The Southampton Press
  May 4, 2012 12:17 PM
May 4, 2012 4:27 PM

Supporters of Latino laborers who gather at the 7-Eleven convenience store in Southampton mounted a brief counter-protest on Friday morning to a pair of men who post themselves in the store’s driveway on most mornings holding signs calling for the deportation of illegal immigrants.

Approximately 15 to 20 Latino men and women and their supporters crowded onto the small concrete island in the middle of the store’s entrance from County Road 39, the usual spot of illegal immigration protesters Tom Wedell and George John Overbeck, holding signs of their own. One of the signs read: “You get paid to hate. We get paid to work,” a reference to Mr. Wedell’s compensation from an up-Island anti-immigration group for the time he spends at the 7-Eleven.

Southampton town and village police officers were called to the scene when Mr. Wedell and Mr. Overbeck and some of the Latino protesters got into shouting matches, but police did not interfere in either group’s protest. After about an hour, the Latino protesters withdrew, leaving Mr. Wedell and Mr. Overbeck at their usual post.

“I’m still here,” Mr. Overbeck could be heard shouting to the group of laborers lingering at the opposite end of the store’s parking lot, a short time later.

“Why don’t you get a job and go to work like I do every day,” a woman shouted in response as she pulled out of the parking lot in a pickup truck bearing the emblem of a local landscaping company.

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Glad someone is speaking out. "Treat others as you would like to be treated." It's the golden rule. Everyone has a right to be treated with respect illegal or not.
By hamptonmom (5), southampton on May 4, 12 12:24 PM
Every one does deserve respect.However an illegal alien is a criminal. Canada is one up on us. They have a guest worker policy.The guest registers with the government,gets a job and pays taxes.Works very well.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on May 4, 12 12:46 PM
O Canada! Sounds sensible to me.
By Sandflea (31), Southampton on May 4, 12 12:50 PM
Very pleased to see this community of workers (not all of whom are undocumented, Tianabob) finally fighting back. Mr. Wedell and Mr. King are a blight on the entrance to the village of Southampton. Perhaps it is they who should be spending their time more productively.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on May 4, 12 1:13 PM
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By They call me (846), southampton on May 4, 12 4:59 PM
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May 4, 12 7:54 PM appended by joe hampton
Just a thought LOL
By joe hampton (1626), south hampton on May 4, 12 7:54 PM
3004:

Wow.

Tough room...
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 4, 12 9:47 PM
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By Lets go mets (76), Southampton on May 4, 12 10:08 PM
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By Bill in Riverhead (190), Riverhead on May 5, 12 9:19 AM
See you soon, cant wait visit the harbor
By G_J_V_Overbeck (24), Westhampton Beach on May 5, 12 1:06 PM
I think you would of rather of had a drive threw,hiring hall right at the entrance of are lovly town of southampton. If Saving american jobs isnt productive,May you should move to Mexico.If southampton can demand us to be licensed and insured, we can demand them to up hold the law.
By G_J_V_Overbeck (24), Westhampton Beach on May 7, 12 12:31 PM
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Dude, no wonder you can't get a job. You're illiterate.
By btdt (199), water mill on May 7, 12 10:31 PM
I might be illiterate, but im right and you dont like it. Dude, just eat my miss spelled words ill see all your illegal friends home.Like it or not.
By G_J_V_Overbeck (24), Westhampton Beach on May 8, 12 12:39 AM
Due to some confusion, one of the protestors in the story and photo caption was misidentified. The two protesters were Tom Wedell and George John Van Overbeck.. We regret the error and both the story and caption have been corrected.
By Bill Sutton, Managing Editor (84), Westhampton Beach on May 4, 12 1:53 PM
Saw this this morning. Brilliant. And I agree with progressnow. While I believe illegal immigration is out of control and is severly affecting our community negatively, these two guys are just another part of the problem and not the solution.
By johnj (171), Westhampton on May 4, 12 2:40 PM
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Part of the problem? What problem would that be? They, as citizens, have the right to demonstrate and voice their opinions. You don't have to like it.
By dnice (1137), Hampton Bays on May 4, 12 5:05 PM
Thank you
By G_J_V_Overbeck (24), Westhampton Beach on May 5, 12 1:04 PM
Thanks dnice. Ever notice that the only "correct" protest is a lefty protest.
By double-D (96), southampton on May 8, 12 7:11 PM
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Thanks dnice. Ever notice that the only "correct" protest is a lefty protest.
By double-D (96), southampton on May 8, 12 7:12 PM
Whenever I come home for a visit I always see those guys, I also wonder who pays them..I mean its been years and they are there all the time so this must be what they do for a living...anyway, I guess what I find disturbing, is the assumption that all the workers standing on the corners are undocumented. Of course it wouldnt be an issue if there were a hiring station. Documentation could be verified, people could find work. A good thing for the documented not so much for the undocumented. I get ...more
By pstevens (353), Wilmington on May 4, 12 2:54 PM
Apparently the owner of a "local landscaping company" doesn't.
By jams (46), hampton bays on May 5, 12 10:04 AM
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By Mr. Snerdley (101), Southampton on May 4, 12 3:38 PM
I think those 2 clowns are a real traffic hazard and should be permanently barred by the town or county police from demonstrating in such a dangerous location.
Why are they being allowed to continue this distraction to passing motorists?
By SagHarborBob (86), Life is Good in Sag Harbor on May 4, 12 4:09 PM
A little thing called the Constitution of the United States.
By dnice (1137), Hampton Bays on May 4, 12 5:06 PM
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By onenypenny (3), Center Moriches on May 4, 12 8:20 PM
Our constitution protects citizens of the United States. not new info. But causing a traffic hazard is a point well taken. Why haven't the police moved the protestors to an area away from the traffic.... for their saftey and the traveling public? By now everyone traveling that road for the past few years knows their position!
By summertime (469), summerfield fl on May 4, 12 9:01 PM
They should have one sign that points out the real problem THE UNIONS
By joe hampton (1626), south hampton on May 4, 12 7:33 PM
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You are the reel problem and if I ever see on the street we will be havin a little talk. Union Pride !!! B.P.
By local 84 (148), riverhead on May 4, 12 7:38 PM
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By summertime (469), summerfield fl on May 4, 12 9:03 PM
ROTFLOL, Joe is a fool but you agree with Junior Jihadi 84.you need help lady
By They call me (846), southampton on May 4, 12 9:40 PM
3004:

Abuse is the problem. Nothing more, nothing less.
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 4, 12 9:48 PM
Sounds like the union (chicago) way !
By jams (46), hampton bays on May 5, 12 10:06 AM
Unions built the middle class-Five day,40 hour work week;overtime pay;paid holidays and vacation time;worker safety laws;child labor laws;employee healthcare benefits;collective bargaining....
it's no wonder that business owners want to get rid of them and re-install the gilded age of the robber barons.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 5, 12 10:00 PM
It's not a Mexican/American issue, its about all illegal aliens from any Country. I don't want illegal aliens in my Country from Asia, Europe, Africa, Middle East, Central/ South America or any where, its illegal, there are reasons for these laws. If you accidentally cross over the border of Iran while hiking you will go to prision for life, not get jobs, health care & free education for your children. They say all they want is the American dream...well the American dream is for Americans. Want ...more
By onenypenny (3), Center Moriches on May 4, 12 8:17 PM
You are SO right, Iran is such a shining example. I wish America was more like Iran! Moron.
By katewatson (7), Southampton on May 7, 12 5:36 PM
Oh I'm sorry your right....you give me an example of a Country where you are allowed to jump fence and work, live, & enroll your children in school illegally.
By onenypenny (3), Center Moriches on May 13, 12 6:56 AM
Let's be realistic who will do construction if you deported them . The country needs to document them it is scary million of illegals and we have no clue who they are . Yes there illegal but you can't ignore the dangers that are now !! No driver Lic ,lack of insurance not paying proper taxes they could be criminals from there country . There needs to be some sort of screening. They are here and always will be thats fact. The only you can do is document them .
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 4, 12 8:59 PM
Won't work. Reagan tried amnesty in the '80's with very little positive effect. The only thing we can do is continue to strengthen and enforce immigration laws. Recent data would suggest that it is starting to work.
By dnice (1137), Hampton Bays on May 4, 12 10:32 PM
If you think controlling the borders is working you obviously are not in construction. They come across pretty much at will the only reason it might be less coming in is because a soft construction market. There is no reason they can't have a tax id # and a driver Lic. That way there insured and tracked. You can't stand by and do nothing they are sucking our resources .
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 8:33 AM
Ike made it work Google "Operation Wetback" (Govt term not mine) in 1954 Ike ordered 1,075 Border Patrol Agents to deport illegal aliens. They just didn't take them over the Border. They would take them 500 miles into Mexico.Did a great job.Obama could do the same
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on May 5, 12 11:01 AM
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It will never happen !!! The government isn't stupid you deport millions of working illegals you will have major problems if it wasn't the truth they would be gone. Instead of debating something that will never happen I guarantee that we need to document them there are murders /criminals here and as America always does ignore the problem . You realize in 20 years it will be less of a problem because they all are having kids here and the kids are legal thats how the problem will lesson
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 11:18 AM
Try that operation today. Number one, the ACLU will go ape****. Number two, there are more unemployed Americans (12.5 million), than illegal immigrants (11.2 million) by the latest estimates.

Maybe we can't get rid of all of them, but at least half might help our unemployed quite a bit...





"The effort began in California and Arizona in 1954 and coordinated 1,075 Border Patrol agents, along with state and local police agencies. Tactics employed included going ...more
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 5, 12 7:32 PM
Construction USED to be a viable middle class trade, until leftists like progressnow joined with corrupt contractors to promote and enjoy the benefits of lower cost illegal alien labor, largely as a result of off not paying the employers ot employees share of employment taxes.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 6, 12 2:56 PM
tThe same people that did construction before they came here. Legal Americans.The problem is they live 10 to a house pay no taxes so they work for less then an honest tax paying American. I don't understand what they were protesting about? They broke the law and aren't happy about it? Why do they want to become legal ,free education, free doctor, and no taxes who's beter than them?
By chief1 (1105), southampton on May 4, 12 9:05 PM
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That's funny legal Americans doing the work. Open your eyes I am american and agree there illegal but when I go to work they work at the delis , fast food , kmarts, I was at my construction site the other day about 100 of them . Why do you think the government is not deporting them what do think they can't find them !! Instead of fighting a loss cause we have to document them . Quess what there all are having kids here so they are legall by being born here can't deport them .
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 8:41 AM
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Remsen, you underestimate what we can do, should it be chosen that we apply ourselves.

Between government agencies, the Reserves, and the National Guard, we could send them packing. Don't doubt that.

It is a question of what we CHOOSE to do about it. Look like the "nice guy" to the world, and keep letting them walk all over us and our system, OR send a clear and strong message that the violation of our soveriegnty will NOT be tolerated.

Pretty simple, if we apply ourselves...
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 5, 12 7:38 PM
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Do you understand the gov will not do it do you not see operation wet back did not work long term . Underestimate what nothing is being done that's fact nor will you ever solve the illegal problem I think history shows that . Deal with the facts not what we could do because then why don't we wipe out the drug crops considering we know where they all are but that will never happen either. Give tax Id numbers drivers Lic and know who they are .
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 8:05 PM
It did not work "long term", due to governmental, and economic conditions in Central/South America. We consistently interfered with their politics, and did install our own puppet leaders in some of those countries.

Without a successful, and fair system of government, and economic structure to retain the people on their native shores, they will come here. Over half the illegals are from Mexico, and truthfully it's our own fault they are here, not there. Had we not been foolish in foriegn ...more
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 5, 12 8:49 PM
It will never work they can't stop drugs from coming here and you will never stop the illegals this is fact . So why can't we document them and if they don't want to be documented deport them . There are big problems with not knowing the back ground of over 20 mil illegals. We don't have to give citezenship but tax I'd #s and drivers Lic would be a move in the right direction let them be probably insured and be able to be productive tax paying legals instead of avoiding the fact that they are not ...more
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:10 PM
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By Lets go mets (76), Southampton on May 4, 12 10:18 PM
Happy Cinco de Mayo everyone,.especially to Senor Editor. A word to the wise. Don't mention the suggestion of calling Immigration and Customs Enforcement to sort things out in combination with reference to the idiom involving a snack food (and hispanic condiment) that alludes to destiny controlling an outcome. Bad... very bad....no more soup for you.
May 5, 12 12:29 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
And for those still not in EST, El Presidente Obama dice feliz Cinco de Cuatro.
By Mr. Snerdley (101), Southampton on May 5, 12 12:29 AM
Wow. Small town newspaper covering big time issues. I suppose if we all don't agree that the US should be everyone's doormat, then we are wrong?
By Lets go mets (76), Southampton on May 5, 12 7:33 AM
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Illegal men in numbers can occupy the side of road waiting for work.....but two legal guys standing up for our rights are a distraction & dangerous. What's happening to our Country? I understand most are protecting them because you illegally employ them.... what about all our jobless teens, middle aged & returning Military? Hire them!!!!
By onenypenny (3), Center Moriches on May 5, 12 8:39 AM
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A mob of criminals prostituting themselves on the side of the road is OK, but American citizens excercising their RIGHT to free speech is a problem? More proof that liberalism is a mental disorder. When they jumped the fence they broke the law, anyone care to dispute that fact?
By bigfresh (1066), north sea on May 5, 12 8:49 AM
liberals are hypocrtes. They have a problem with this but no problem with the occupy movement or lying in the streets with gravestones protesting the war. dissent is only patriotic when it agrees with their position
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on May 5, 12 12:48 PM
The answer to the immigration problem is for homeowners to cut their own lawns, clean their own pools, and paint their own houses. Then there would be no work for immigrants. Or home owners could pay more for these services and hire legals who pay into social security and medical benefits. Illegals would not be here if we didn't hire them.
By EastEnd68 (811), Westhampton on May 5, 12 8:59 AM
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I didn't realize we live in fantasy land . Pay more to Americas that's funny skilled illegals make the same .
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 10:17 AM
As far as the two gentlemen are concerned, they have a right to protest. If people want to protest on the other side, they have that right as well. No one has the right to deny people rights because they disagree. There seems to be a growing intolerance of people who have a different ideology than themselves. For example, if someone criticizes a person or group we don't like, then it is fine. If someone criticizes a person or group we like, then it is "hate speech". Freedom of speech does not depend ...more
By thomasmc (12), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:44 AM
What are you talking about if there illegal they don't have the right to protest hello what am I missing
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 10:12 AM
There was no indication that the people protesting were illegal. There are many legal residents in the community who do not like the two men out there. I am not a fan of illegal immigration. My parents always taught me to follow the rules. However, that is not the point. We aren't talking about immigration policy. We are talking about the right to protest.

Freedom to make ones opinions heard does not go one way. Some people wanted the two men to be stopped from protesting. Others didn't ...more
By thomasmc (12), Southampton on May 5, 12 1:54 PM
I am around illegals all day in my business of construction and some of these guys are awesome but there still illegal . For you to say that the group who protested the two protesting had every right to is funny . There are over 20 mil illegals in this county and they have no rights as an American . What was that group there for to sell girl scout cookies . I was there that morning and they where there on the behalf of the illegals so how is it illegals have the right of freedom of speech your ignorance ...more
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 8:17 PM
They have rights under the 14th amendment.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 5, 12 8:28 PM
NOT to vote, or carry firearms.

But the basics, were applied by the Supreme Court due to the abuses of the Chinese immigrants in the post Civil War Era, especially by railroad robber barons.

Did you know that J.P. Morgan's vast wealth came at the cost of over 700,000 human lives? No proper security, indian raids, and a massive fortune for himself. Swell guy...
May 5, 12 8:57 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, how could I forget substandard, unsafe work conditions, and practices.
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 5, 12 8:57 PM
They have rights of protection read the amendment they are illegal !!! If aresested they would be quilty and have no rights and deported it's all in the interpretation . If you think they have rights maybe you should call the tile guy on my job that was arrested by town police 2 weeks ago for driving with a suspend Lic and transported to county and now in Texas waiting to be deported . There illegal what are we having a problem with . If I was in another country illegally working for cash I would ...more
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:02 PM
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The entire robber baron era is blighted with abuse of immigrant workers as well as domestic low-wage workers like blacks and Native Americans.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:07 PM
Well, as far as "your ignorance pathetic" goes:

Had you actually read ANY of the Supreme Court decisions regarding illegal immigration, you would know that they are not only subject to our laws while on American soil (no diplomatic immunity here), they do have basic rights and privileges as living beings, existing under the authority of a "living document". They are EQUALLY bound by the law. Equality, a principle this country was founded upon. They also have free speech, under the law. ...more
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 5, 12 9:15 PM
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By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:18 PM
The interpretation was by he SCOTUS,take it up with them.

"The Supreme Court has ruled that these provisions apply to all persons in the U.S., without regard to race, or nationality. Therefore, U.S. residents — legal and illegal — have constitutional rights such as equal protection of the law and the right to due process.

Other rights undocumented residents are entitled to include Fourth Amendment protections against illegal searches of homes. The Supreme Court, in ...more
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:19 PM
Stop with your BS if there illegal they can be arested and deported . Talk about there rights all you like but that is fact . If you went to another country to work for cash illegally you wonldnt consider yourself a criminal ? I know if it was me I would . They broke the law they know it . Once an illegal is arrest by town police and bail is not made and they get transferred to county jail they are shipped to Texas and then deported !!! So they have no rights !! The only rights they have are for ...more
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:29 PM
Your grammar, and diction notwithstanding, there are countries historcally, and even today in this world where if you are "illegal", deportation, and due process are not an option.

Death, on the other hand usually an option...
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 5, 12 9:34 PM
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They have rghts.that's a fact.Just because you don't want them to doesn't enter into the equation.
Take it up wih the SCOTUS and the constitution.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:35 PM
You are missing the point I'm trying to make there here illegally we are not going to ever stop it . We need to stop avoiding the problem we have to accept there going no where they are having kids here and families these are facts . We have to have them documented for the safety of our country . We have to force them to be productive members of the community instead of draining our resources .
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:37 PM
I agree; I would support th Dream Act to give them a pathway to legal residence and eventual citizenship.
Many of them are productive;as you stated yourself,they have jobs and many are skilled workers.I think that the percentage of illegals that actually break the laws (other than having entered the country illegally) is relatively small.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:41 PM
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I don't consider someone having right if they get pulled over for speeding they could get arested and deported
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:43 PM
Thanks for understand my point .
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:47 PM
Well,there's no legal way to check someones immigration status before they break a second law. (In New York)
Even when they do break the law,they are entitled to due process.The speeding ticket is prosecuted under local laws,but the immigration violation falls under federal law.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:51 PM
understood your point about offering a path to citizenship all along.What you need to understand is that all persons living within the jurisdiction of the U.S. are protected with certain rights under the constitution;that's what complicates the matter,yet theree are no easy answers without changing the constitution,and thus changing the very nature of our nation.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:54 PM
Just had this scenario happen my tile guy was pulled over for a speeding he was driving without a Lic for the second time he was arrest sent to Texas and deported. The worst part is he has a wife here with 3 kids 2 in college that where born here they tried everything with no avail .
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:56 PM
When you get pulled over and deported . Sorry they have no rights. The only rights they have are about being taken advantage of .
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:59 PM
Problem here is, that his whole life here is based on a crime. He has managed to fly under the radar for years, enabled by those who would benefit from his presence. That means those who supply false SS numbers, for a price, and those who sell a car from a state with loose regulations, plates, registration, and all.

If his wife was legal, then she would be a citizen, and so would he, right?

If we would repeal "jus soli", these issues would not exist.
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 5, 12 10:07 PM
There's an organisation that may be able to help him and/or his family-I think it's the Mexican-American Legal and Educational Defense Fund. (MALDEF)
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 5, 12 10:10 PM
What is your stance you are all over and she isn't legall . Kids born here . He is already gone but he will be back . $6000 and a dream they come in like it's an open door
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 10:15 PM
If we repeal jus soli,we would have to change the 14th amendment.That would take a constitutional convention (this hasn't been done since the 1700's) or by approval of the legislature in two consecutive terms and then passage by 3/4 of the states.

from the Constitution online-

"The Amendment Process

There are essentially two ways spelled out in the Constitution for how to propose an amendment. One has never been used.

The first method is for a bill to pass both ...more
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 5, 12 10:25 PM
So they are both criminals, repeat offender in a least one case, and have children who are citizens, because of this country's generous spirit that existed when it's frontiers were wide open, and mostly unsettled.

Dated ideals, from a far gone time.

My stance is that I am a child of a LEGAL immigrant, and your tile man, and his wife's presence here is a direct slap in the face to all those like my father who legally abided by, and respected this country's laws to be here.
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 5, 12 10:31 PM
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Respectable but why all the bs and standing up for there rights.
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 10:38 PM
I am American from America parents and the illegals are criminals and they shouldn't be here but they are along with the 70 billion dollars in drug trade a year . The USA does nothing about either and they are both controllable . So why not document them it will only make things better here
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 5, 12 10:47 PM
"Respectable but why all the bs and standing up for there rights."

IF you applied your intellect to understanding the language in my posts, you would understand. As a student of History, who abhors seeing the same mistake made twice (an act quite prevalent in recent History) I understand why we grant those who come to our shores basic human rights, sans the right to vote, or possess firearms.

People by nature can be unscrupulous, advantageous, and downright unethical in justifying ...more
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 6, 12 2:46 AM
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"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

AHEM:

"All persons born [TO A SINGLE NATURALIZED PARENT] or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Phil, DON'T overcomplicate things. It just makes life harder.
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 6, 12 2:58 AM
Aren't we still in the Robber Baron era?
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on May 6, 12 2:36 PM
They have the right to be prosecuted and deported.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 6, 12 3:00 PM
Outstanding post!
May 6, 12 4:50 PM appended by double standard
For Z a couple posts up.
By double standard (1144), Remsenburg on May 6, 12 4:50 PM
Thanks for the nod, DS!
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 6, 12 7:34 PM
What's historcally? I mean if you are busting out the red pen on someone else.......
By jams (46), hampton bays on May 7, 12 1:24 PM
It's called: sometimes my fingers move too fast, and I didn't thoroughly spell check.

One whole type-o, and a [ww] in the "outstanding" post in the entire course of this particular thread.

Pardon me...
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 7, 12 3:21 PM
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By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on May 5, 12 11:17 AM
I don't have a problem with them protesting, it is their right. What I do have a problem with is being harassed by them when I pull into 7 11 with my legal Mexican worker. Just because he has brown skin doesn't make him a leech on America.
By greenmonster (11), southampton on May 5, 12 11:20 AM
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t's another example of judging someone by their appearance; an assumption is being made and your employee is being harrassed-discriminated against-because they 'look' like people who may be here illegally.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 5, 12 9:33 PM
This is something you might want to take up with Remsen. He not only can tell the immigration status of a hundred or so workers at his jobsite but can obviously tell the status of everyone he sees when he goes "to work they work at the delis , fast food , kmarts, I was at my construction site the other day about 100 of them". (sic)
By VOS (540), WHB on May 6, 12 12:52 AM
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By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 6, 12 9:15 AM
Of course, simply verrifying that someone is legal by requesting documentation is racist.

I guess we should just dismantle border controls, and reclassify the US from it's status as a sovereign nation, to "world's sidewalk".
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 6, 12 2:59 PM
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Im not a races and I apologize to your friend,But the sad truth is its impossible to get into america without flying,and because you cant fly without a passport,You cant come illegally. You might find someone that over stayed there visa but there in the database Except for mexico or canda which can walk in.Which would explain the larger population of south americans and canda enforces there immagration laws and right now there economy is better than ares so they have no reason to come here.
By G_J_V_Overbeck (24), Westhampton Beach on May 6, 12 9:52 PM
"Tell me, though, does man, that marvel of the universe, that glorious paradox who sent me to the stars, still make war against his brother...keep his neighbor's children starving?"

~ Charleton Heston, Planet of the Apes (1968)


The unfortunate answer is: YES, he does...
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 6, 12 3:48 AM
Ok mr cut and paste
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 6, 12 9:19 AM
I can recite that from memory.

The ellipsis is there, because Heston pauses before he finishes his transmission to Earth, and gets up from the Captain's chair to enter cryo-sleep.

You should really dig more Rod Serling...
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 6, 12 9:48 AM
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By AmericanPieHole (48), Southampton on May 6, 12 7:46 AM
Amazing we can secure Iraq's borders, but it can't be done here? Cop Out!
Just because they're illegal doesn't mean they shouldn't be respected? How about them respecting our laws and our country, before they're granted what they do not show us.
The problem is an epidemic, anyone here look at the percentage of their taxes going to their school district? It is appalling, when you take in to consideration half of it is going to criminals children. I don't recognize the children of an illegal ...more
By ICE (1175), Southampton on May 6, 12 12:28 PM
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Ice, hard leftits like peoplefirst and philathome who advocate for unlimited, uncontrolled immigration, anyone who can jump the border should be allowed to stay, are simply part of the "bring America down" movement.

It's about overwhelming, and ultimately collapsing the system by importing poverty from nations that won't do anything about their own uneducated, unskilled populations. And why should they, when they can dump their social problems on us?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 6, 12 3:05 PM
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I stated my position above-I advocate for a path to citizenship.
I support the Dream act-you know,the solution the republiclowns were for before they were against it?
Do you have a carnival playing in your head all the time or do yo just willfully ignore what people say?
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 6, 12 7:44 PM
I have a dream to, it involves English as our national language, no citizenship or benefits for illegal aliens. Oh yes, and a swift toss back over the border. And take your offspring with, as my taxes are high enough without paying for another child who shouldn't be here!
By ICE (1175), Southampton on May 13, 12 2:30 PM
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Enforcement. Only
By G_J_V_Overbeck (24), Westhampton Beach on May 6, 12 2:23 PM
How many years have we been having this debate? Blame your elected officials for turning a blind eye when this was a smaller problem. Now it's a huge problem and political suicide to whoever touches it. Every great nation has had a rise, a golden age, and a decline. You all can guess our trajectory.
By double standard (1144), Remsenburg on May 6, 12 4:05 PM
Rome. Overextended itself fighting too many wars. Eventually got worn out by barbarians. Severe Govt corruption and in-fighting. The elite hoarding fortunes and pulling political strings. Imported slave labor to do the jobs Romans didn't want to do. Created grand distractions meant cover up the stink of decay that was surrounding them.
Does any of this sound familiar? Melodramatic, I know. But does it sound familiar?
By double standard (1144), Remsenburg on May 6, 12 4:30 PM
I believe Ron Paul has been saying this all along.
By louse pt. (81), springs on May 7, 12 4:00 PM
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By Lets go mets (76), Southampton on May 6, 12 6:51 PM
illegal immigration is a huge problem. It bankrupts hospitals, and major public institutions such as public schools. Unfortunately the feds want to ignore this issue, and I have lost faith that it will ever be corrected. Those two guys in Southampton are simply wasting their time.
By louse pt. (81), springs on May 6, 12 7:37 PM
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Bread, and circuses...
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 6, 12 11:53 PM
The criminal illegals break the laws and we pay the price.Higher school taxes,accidents and crime.Right when we're buried in debt.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on May 7, 12 2:30 PM
Ridiculous. Who pays for the hospitals, schools, etc.? WE DO. Anyone who is here illegally should be deported.
By AFB (29), NYC/SH on May 7, 12 3:48 PM
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Modest estimates of the costs of deporting 20 million illegals is$94 billion.
Where do we send the bill?
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 7, 12 3:59 PM
All of a sudden you're a fiscal conservative Phil, well well? When did the cost of anything ever matter in Washington? Send the bill to China in the form of more loans and borrowing, right? Some estimates say illegal immigration costs in the neighborhood of $115 billion per year. Sounds like may already on the road to fiscal solvency and saving money if we were to do it.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on May 7, 12 4:22 PM
You don't pay attention very well,do you? This topic has come up befor,and I addresed it before as well.If you rea what I posted,you'll seethat the number is a MODEST estimate,nd is ctualy a coupleofyears old.
Do you have an answer,or are you just throwing stones again?

By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 7, 12 5:15 PM
You don't pay attention very well,do you? This topic has come up befor,and I addresed it before as well.If you rea what I posted,you'll seethat the number is a MODEST estimate,nd is ctualy a coupleofyears old.
Do you have an answer,or are you just throwing stones again?

By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 7, 12 5:15 PM
We should send The bill to the country of origin from with they came.After all the reason there coming here is because there country is not taking care of its own people.We should send the home on a first class ticket,and let Mexico president pay,Calderon.IF we fined they 1,500 dollars a head.We could make a profit.
By G_J_V_Overbeck (24), Westhampton Beach on May 7, 12 6:06 PM
And when the countries won't pay the bill,the burden goes back on the U.S. taxpayer.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 7, 12 9:01 PM
800 billion a year for services such as medical, education, and other goverment services. Time to tax illegals that want to work send the others home.
By chief1 (1105), southampton on May 7, 12 9:04 PM
You've been beleiving too many chain e-mails.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 7, 12 10:46 PM
Im glad you post alot,with this photo,Because every time you speak is another lost vote for are pres.Big thanks xxoo
By G_J_V_Overbeck (24), Westhampton Beach on May 8, 12 12:16 AM
People who won't vote for the president never would have in the first place.But I'll change my avatar to something more appropriate-maybe something that reflects your views?
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 8, 12 7:17 AM
Phil, authorities estimate that it costs $12,500 to deport each illegal. Using your own figures of 20 million illegals it would take just over two years to recoup the $115 billion investment over two years to recoup the drain on society. This doesn't include the drain on society resulting from fraud on tax returns where tax credits are claimed for non resident family members that goes unchecked by the IRS and "refunds" that are the result of non earned income.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on May 8, 12 9:42 PM
The republicans will stick the middle class wth those costs because it will still give big tax breaks to corporations and the rich.
Why did the epublicans drop their support for the Dream act-it was their idea.They dropped their support when the president said that he agreed with it.
It will cost more than what you quoted from ICE to deport illegals-there will be the costs of finding,incarcerating and delivering due process.-not just the cost of a bus ticket home.If your estimate is for ...more
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 8, 12 10:00 PM
So proud of these men and women, who had the courage to speak up against the hate that these two men promote here in our beautiful village.
By youngdem (11), Southampton on May 7, 12 4:24 PM
Welcome.youngdem.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 7, 12 5:51 PM
Seems it is more disrespect for the law of the land perpetuated by illegals - whether there are any illegals present at the 7-11 or not. The counter protesters are essentially protesting against the laws of the nation. Liberals seem to have difficult discerning between following and respecting the rule of law and that of hate and racism. They are two very different issues.
By Mr. Snerdley (101), Southampton on May 7, 12 9:51 PM
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By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 7, 12 10:06 PM
Conservatives are such followers that they never question any authorit-even bad ones. They just submit to authority without question.
Altmeyer described themas authoritarian followers-people who need someone else to act as their moral compass and are willing to and able to totally surrender to that authority.
We've got a lot of them here.
May 7, 12 10:06 PM appended by philathome
An excellent example this is Rush Limbaugh himself.In promos forhis show,he says "I'll tell you what the news is and WHAT TO THINK ABOUT IT."
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 7, 12 10:06 PM
"It's Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided With the New Politics of Extremism"

By Thomas E. Mann, and Norman J. Ornstein
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 7, 12 10:24 PM
Thanks,Z.
I just printed out the WP article and will look for the book.
Did yo read the last article they had out in the Post?(It was actually an op-ed)
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 7, 12 10:48 PM
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By Captn America (3460), Southampton on May 8, 12 8:53 AM
Really? "Conservatives are such followers that they never question any authorit-even bad ones" is ok, but any generic response that at worse counters this crap is not? What a joke this paper is!
By Mr. Snerdley (101), Southampton on May 8, 12 9:03 PM
You need to read the research that was done by Robert Altmeyer on conservativism.Particularly about how they can be manipulated because of ther weak reasoning processes.
I think you'll be easily convinced-since you seem to be xactly what he was talkin about.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 8, 12 10:07 PM
Yes, I'll be sure to run out and read research that paints an entire group of people with a single stereotypical stroke of the brush. Reearch has shown that republicans are smarter than democrats too.
By Mr. Snerdley (101), Southampton on May 9, 12 6:27 PM
It isn't only the work of Bob Altmeyer;There are studies by James Burnham,Russel Kirk and many other social psychologists who verify the findings each has made.
John Dean,the conservative who helped expose Watergate,wrote extensively about authoritarian conservatism and how its poisoned the republican party.
Have someone read it to you.
Then explain it.
with pictures,if possible.
in small words.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 9, 12 6:43 PM
1-Young dem: My condolences to you for being a Demokrat, hopefully you will grow out of it. Odds ar eyou will when you start working and pay taxes, that will shock you into a more sensible political mindset.
2-What part of the statement "They broke the law when they jumped the fence". is untrue.
3- How is enforcing the law "hateful"?
By bigfresh (1066), north sea on May 7, 12 5:15 PM
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Our condolences to you,BF,for being a clown in the republicarnival.
By philathome (7736), Southampton on May 7, 12 10:49 PM
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Wow. Sure, why didn't I think of that?
By Lets go mets (76), Southampton on May 7, 12 11:24 PM
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By dogfacejones (62), Southampton on May 8, 12 9:07 AM
Coming into this country without a visa or overstaying a visa is not a criminal offense, hence it is not a crime and calling undocumented residents "illegals" is an inaccurate misnomer. They instead have violated CIVIL immigration law, which is a CIVIL offense.

For this reason, national and international news organizations have changed their style policy to be more accurate. They now use "undocumented" because it is more accurate than "illegal." By the way, federal immigration officials ...more
By bailey (51), East Hampton on May 8, 12 11:03 AM
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Well, truth be told that is very accurate from a legal, and politically correct standpoint.

However, in common vernacular the meaning of the word "criminal" can be "shameful, or disgraceful". Under that auspice regarding behavior, the word is applicable.
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 8, 12 2:53 PM
illegal (il·le·gal) adj [ il -ˈlē-gəl ]

1. not according to or authorized by law : unlawful, illicit


Example:

Thier existence on these shores makes them illegal.
May 8, 12 3:04 PM appended by Mr. Z
EDIT: Their existence on these shores makes them illegal aliens.
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 8, 12 3:04 PM

illegal n. [ il -ˈlē-gəl ]

Definition of ILLEGAL

: an illegal immigrant

First Known Use of ILLEGAL

1939
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 8, 12 3:12 PM
Like I said, some folks will persist in calling them "illegal" and "criminals" because it serves their purpose to demonize them.
By bailey (51), East Hampton on May 9, 12 10:00 AM
Well, it's been almost 75 years, in which time they have been referred to as "illegals".

Don't expect it to change anytime soon.

My opinion is that "undocumented" simply sugarcoats the issue, so extremist, bleeding heart liberals feel better inside. They don't belong here, BUH-BYE. Heck, I didn't win the Mega Millions last time around. You don't see me hacking the lottery's bank accounts, DO YOU?
By Mr. Z (5601), North Sea on May 10, 12 6:31 PM
A Hispanic woman was found dead behind the DMV in Riverhead yesterday. There is a Spanish Restaurant in the same shopping center.Last weekend there was a major brawl there.Three Hispanic men were taken to the hospital. Riverhead is a mess.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on May 8, 12 11:34 AM
Riverhead has been a mess for a long time. The real problem is poverty.
By bailey (51), East Hampton on May 9, 12 9:59 AM
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If the town really wanted to rid themselves of this problem, which quite obviously they don't, they could go around to various sites and ask for not only the contractor's license but also names and SSN's of all who are working there. If they cannot produce SSN's for everyone, there should be consequences such as, a decent sized fine, immediate suspension of work, revocation of ability to work within the town for X amount of time. Multiple offenses would lead to larger fines and complete revocation ...more
By itsamazing (143), Southampton on May 8, 12 11:48 AM
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I like this idea of a la carte compliance. Border laws? I think I'll pass on those.
It seems like a very convenient thing. Stupid, unsustainable and downright dangerous, but certainly convenient.
By double standard (1144), Remsenburg on May 8, 12 1:18 PM
All my video footage is being directly sent to the Attorney Generals office in Albany to the Workmens compensation Board,So beware to all contractors commiting insurance fraud. Any home owners coming in to pick up these illegal Workers will have there photes posted, Any aggression towards me will not be tolerated,All aggressors will be subject to prosecution and charge to the full extent of the law.
By G_J_V_Overbeck (24), Westhampton Beach on May 9, 12 7:06 AM
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This is how vigilante groups get formed.The government won't enforce the laws.People get sick of footing the bill and being abused.We're a bunch of suckers
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on May 9, 12 10:33 AM
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Push back is inevitable. It will go ballistic if a child is harmed or worse by an illegal.
By double standard (1144), Remsenburg on May 9, 12 11:08 AM
The guy with the sign waving at everyone as if they all support him...how many years has he been doing the exact same tired act and NOTHING has changed. Is this the type of individual any group would truly pick to represent their position? He is the target of more jokes in the East End, yet he continues his clownish act.

By mexicokid (11), brooklyn on May 9, 12 11:53 AM
The guy with the sign waving at everyone as if they all support him...how many years has he been doing the exact same tired act and NOTHING has changed. Is this the type of individual any group would truly pick to represent their position? He is the target of more jokes in the East End, yet he continues his clownish act.

By mexicokid (11), brooklyn on May 9, 12 11:59 AM
At least he's speaking up about the situation. Everyone else is afraid to say anything. Our schools and hospitals are a mess with all the illegal immigrants. And the ones that are ILLEGAL are breaking the law.
By AFB (29), NYC/SH on May 10, 12 10:08 AM
GVK Thanks for giving your time to such an important cause, I'll buy you a coffee.
By bigfresh (1066), north sea on May 10, 12 6:56 AM
This comment is for the southampton press, If there so called counter protest was a success im sure you would have printed the story, But it was a complete falure. The reason we have this problem is because are police wont enforce are press is on the side of the illegals,Oh thats right dont you have any spanish edition. Not to mention the whole Town is breaking the law, including judges,police,and the politicians.But the one selling out the americans most is the Catholic Church.
By G_J_V_Overbeck (24), Westhampton Beach on May 10, 12 3:02 PM
The irony is GJV's post needs translating.
there = their
are = our
thats = that's
im = I'm
wont = won't
By double standard (1144), Remsenburg on May 12, 12 12:08 PM
Thank you,double standard,I appreciate the grammer lesson, I was raised in the getto, By wolves so my spelling, is not so great,But im and excellent fighter.
By G_J_V_Overbeck (24), Westhampton Beach on May 12, 12 8:40 PM
Busting your chops, GJV. Many of us are frustrated by the illegal problem. I focus my ire at the govt who allowed this to happen and is too chicken #@*% to do anything about it. Worse, they have become enablers and sold us out. Also consider the businesses that continue to hire illegally. No demand - no supply. Americans are not without blame in that regard.
Do your thing, but try to remember that a lot of these people are here due to desperation. It doesn't make it right, and they did break ...more
By double standard (1144), Remsenburg on May 12, 12 9:29 PM
I was assaulted,the other day right in front of 7/11.He was arrested for assult,And was released in one hour.Every day these guys throw stones at me, not to mention death treats.Today one of them tryed to poor his hot coffee on me right in 7//11. Every day they get more aggressive. Its sad that americans will travel half way around the world to fight, but wont even stand up for there country.
By G_J_V_Overbeck (24), Westhampton Beach on May 12, 12 10:03 PM
The people breaking the law are the people who hire illegals. If we didn't hire them they would not be here.
By EastEnd68 (811), Westhampton on May 10, 12 3:43 PM
So, the people who hire the people, who hire the illegals are breaking the law too? Don't forget when they enter our country illegally they are breaking the law on the spot the cross our sovereign boundary.

Slice it how you like, but they are criminals from the day they enter!

With free healthcare, food stamps and WELFARE across the boarder with no repercussions for being caught it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize our weak response to invasion is insufficient to preserve ...more
By ICE (1175), Southampton on May 13, 12 2:26 PM
THEY BROKE THE LAW WHEN THEY JUMPED THE FENCE!!!!!
That's the truth of the matter.
By bigfresh (1066), north sea on May 13, 12 8:02 AM
The reason they jump the fence is because they can find work here-if we didn't hire them they would not be here. As long as people are going to hire them the gov't is going to allow them to stay.
By EastEnd68 (811), Westhampton on May 13, 12 4:24 PM
We're chumming up the sharks by giving the criminals all the services of legal residents.
By bigfresh (1066), north sea on May 13, 12 8:00 PM
Eastend68, Who else is going to work!!! WTF up
By They call me (846), southampton on May 14, 12 2:09 AM
If the unemployed didn't have the option of going on the dole for 99 weeks, there would be a larger labor pool and the criminals would have less opportunities for employment here.
By bigfresh (1066), north sea on May 14, 12 6:28 AM
The white elitists that live here are not going to start trimming hedges, cutting lawns, washing dishes for eight or ten hours a day because their unemployment has run out or cut off. They do not posess the physical fortitude or the mental toughness to do these jobs day in,day out. Nobody is for illegal immigration. Some people might benefit from it. I think everybody would like some accounting of those here. Where are all our politicians, Republican or Democrat coming up with some legislation to ...more
By Mets fan (337), Southampton on May 14, 12 12:36 PM
Just for the record, I trim my own fifteen foot hedges and mow my own lawn.
By Mets fan (337), Southampton on May 14, 12 12:52 PM
To the Mets fan: maybe they (meaning two or more people; in your case landscpers) would hire you because you certainly could not work for a newspaper where there (place) is a need to understand the differences in the spelling and the meaning of words sounding alike but the meanings are different.
By summertime (469), summerfield fl on May 14, 12 1:01 PM
Mets fan YOU trim your own 15 foot hedge? By your self? Oh I get it the hedge is 1 foot wide by 15 tall Huh? and it is up against a wall so you lean the ladder against the wall as you slowly climb rung by rung!
By summertime (469), summerfield fl on May 14, 12 1:07 PM
Come on over and I'll show you. I have two twelve foot ladders that makes a bridge . Other than that WHAT"S YOUR POINT????? I don't need to work for a newspaper, I retired at forty eight. SO WHAT"S YOUR POINT??? Next time make a comment with reference to my point of view. Other than that ,go back to sleep!!!
By Mets fan (337), Southampton on May 14, 12 10:50 PM
She does not have a point, Never does, Just foams at the mouth
By They call me (846), southampton on May 14, 12 11:54 PM
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Documented Irish immigrants used to come here in droves.They played by the rules paid taxes and many became citizens.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on May 14, 12 2:31 PM
Yeah, I guess the word "illegal" does not compute with a lot people.
By double standard (1144), Remsenburg on May 14, 12 4:08 PM
I know many Irish carpenters, did work on the side and never paid any taxes on that income. Don't get holier than thou on this issue TBoob. Despite the bigotry against the Irish when they migrated here in such large numbers starting with the potato famine in Ireland, America has always found a home for immigrants willing to work hard. Whether they were all legal,do we really know. There is no enforcement today, what was it like in the 1800's and early 20th century.
By Mets fan (337), Southampton on May 14, 12 11:13 PM
I have 2 legalls who work for me and they won't go to 7-11 because of these clowns think illegals are by color of skin they better get used to it because these are the kids of all those illegals
By Remsen (53), Southampton on May 14, 12 4:48 PM
Inndinapolis ch 13 had an expost on illegal workers. Seems they (the illegals) can file for an "ITIN" number wich allows these illegal workers to file a fed tax form and CLAIM additional "Child tax credits". Many filed as ITIN and listed 8, 9, 10, 12 "nieces and nephews" as child tax credits. These kids have lived in and never have left Mexico. this is a Massive tax fraud that only the illegals could uncover. they now more about the IRS system than you, me and the rest of the taxpaying public ...more
By xtiego (267), bridgehampton on May 14, 12 7:37 PM
(CBS News) Presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has a slight edge over President Obama in the race for the White House in the latest CBS News/New York Times poll. CAN YOU SAY LANDSLIDE BOYS AND GIRLS ! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
By They call me (846), southampton on May 15, 12 12:00 AM
to They call me:
Quote:
(CBS News): "Presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney now has a three-point edge over President Barack Obama (A LEAD THAT'S WITHIN THE POLL'S MARGIN OF ERROR) in a head to head match-up." [italics added]

If you go to realclearpolitics.com, you will find that four polls have Obama ahead (by as much as 8%); three have Romney ahead (by as much as 4%); and one has them tied. The average result was a 1.4% lead by Obama.

Back in October, 2011, Romney ...more
By highhatsize (1891), East Quogue on May 15, 12 12:39 AM
Obama telling graduates to temper their interest in clothing during his commencement at Barnard College, a women-only college of NY Columbia University seems to have backfired. It has taken months of bad news, but Dems such as James Carvel increasingly believe that Obama might just lose his re-election bid. The latest wake-up call comes in the form of a NYT/CBS poll showing Mitt Romney in the lead not just among registered voters overall, but with women and independents.
By They call me (846), southampton on May 15, 12 2:15 PM
That's the same poll that you cited above. While not meaningless, it's hardly prophetic. The fact remains that current polls show nothing other than that the race is close, a fact of which James Carville is well-aware.

By highhatsize (1891), East Quogue on May 16, 12 12:49 PM
Let's hope all of the voters who ACTUALLY WORK for a living get out and cast their ballot for the only logical candidate, Mitt Romney. It defies logic that anyone other than those on the dole in some way would vote for an anti business Marxist who wants to "spread the wealth".
By bigfresh (1066), north sea on May 15, 12 6:58 AM
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